Op-ed: For whom the drone tolls
A question lurks within the mind of every Pakistani: where are we headed with this war on/of terror? Is Pakistan a simple ‘franchisee’ or are we developing our own long-term interests in this war? The strategy to hit out at selected al Qaeda targets unfolded in early 2007 when our government offered facilities for launching drones remotely controlled by joystick operators in distant lands. The decision to kill was left in the hands of ‘informers’ on the ground who planted homing devices near houses that needed to be bombed. A menacing ‘whistle’ precedes the actual impact, many running for cover not knowing ‘for whom the bell tolls’, leaving many unintentionally dead and others maimed for life. So-called ‘collateral damage’, has been a sterile term. Women and children wailing and shrieking, mourners lifting their dead. The psychological impact has swung any remnant of anti-al Qaeda sentiment into anti-military and anti-US anger.
‘Pakistan Body Count’ – an initiative by a Pakistani graduate of Florida Tech – has documented suicide and drone casualties in Pakistan since 2004. Over 258 suicide attacks have left 3,832 dead and 9,562 injured, which comes out to an astonishing 51 innocent Pakistanis killed or maimed per attack. The death toll of drone attacks is equally worrisome. In the 142 reported drone attacks only 39 al Qaeda activists were killed as opposed to 1,651 innocent people. A kill ratio of 2.12 per cent is not high collateral damage but wanton murder. Brookings Institution has called the attacks “horrendously indiscriminate in nature”. They violate not only our sovereignty but Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, the Geneva Conventions and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The latter prohibits extrajudicial executions stating that “every individual has the inherent right to life and no one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life.” Article 6(2) stipulates that the penalty of death can only be decided by a competent court of law. One must question who is the judge, jury and executioner in this war of terror.
History reminds us of the Northern Ireland conflict which saw indiscriminate killings by terrorists, but the British government kept bringing the murderous gangs to the negotiating table until finally a selective truce was achieved. But recall the Lal Masjid episode. More and more evidence is piling up that many suicide bombers stemmed from that single incident. Had the logic of ‘control of terror by more terror’ been worth anything the initial ‘shock and awe’ would have been enough.
No matter how inhumane these new breed of terrorists are, why have we totally shunned dialogue? A strong military presence with very limited and precise strikes alongside attempts for dialogue may lead to solutions. We are digging our own grave on the behest of the US by involving our army to do their dirty work. Let not the ‘bell toll for thee’.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 18th, 2010
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
I have discussed the Religious Aspect [Haram act] of Terrorism and Suicide Attack. You can visit my blog and click Tags like Suicide Attack, Terrorism, Suicide Bombing, Militancy and collect whatever material you like and my blog is at your disposal for any report you like to prepare.
’بارہ نجی چینلز ٹیکس ڈیفالٹر ہیں‘
آخری وقت اشاعت: جمعـء 14 مئ 2010 , 14:28 GMT 19:28 PST
Saddam Hussain had a big list of *decorated* officers too, just like we have.
Those decorated officers still claim that they did best for the country. Until Saddam hussain's rule was over, Saddam Hussain was best for Iraq and as soon as BIGGER MASTER came, Iraq's fundamental strategic objectives changed [according to them].
Thats what Shamyl and other pimps claim about Jacobabad, Pasni airfields. They have leased it to raise funds for poor generals so that they can have lush green Golf Courses.
They never lost a battle. Honestly, its us who are wrong. They were always on the winning side.
Yes, Ansar Abbasi is working for Jewish Orgs so is Hamid Mir and other journalists who do not suck up to Na-Pak Army's stories and theories.
Now these pimps blame every thing on Musharraf, what was Musharraf without the backing of other crooks?
awaara says: August 7, 2010 at 7:16 am Saddam Hussain had a big list of *decorated* officers too, just like we have.
Those decorated officers still claim that they did best for the country. Until Saddam hussain’s rule was over,
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Sir,
Read the dirty role Saddam Played: [do watch the rare footage of Saddam with Donald Rumsfeld] Corrupt, Vile & Filthy: Arabs, Aal-e-Saud, & Wahhaabis. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/06/corrupt-v...
awaara says: August 7, 2010 at 7:16 am Yes, Ansar Abbasi is working for Jewish Orgs so is Hamid Mir and other journalists who do not suck up to Na-Pak Army’s stories and theories.
Now these pimps blame every thing on Musharraf, what was Musharraf without the backing of other crooks?
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Sir,
You should have read Ansar Abbasi's praise for Musharraf after 12 Oct 1999 and in those days Ansar was in Dawn and every report of his was used to be a "Qaseeda" of Musharraf and his Filth Military Regime and about Hamid Mir: Jang Group/Hamid Mir's Controversy & Twisted Logic of Dawn Group of Newspapers. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/05/jang-grou...
Note: News over the grapevine is: GEO has taken over the ARY TV [due to default of 3 Million Dollar by ARY], Hence Dr Shahid Masood is in ARY.
Amir,
Well if Ansar Abbasi was praising Musharraf, then he must be faithful of our Na-Pak Army and since shamyl said he(Ansar) is working for jewish org, then I conclude that both of you are correct and that our Na-Par Army is that jewish org...
BTW, I praised Mush too in the early days as I thought Ganja(nawaz) had become a firoun. So would you put me as MUSH follower too?
Aamir, please try something else to lure people to your blogs. If your blogs were any worthy, you wouldn't be spending more time here than your own blogs :).
You are not the only one who had seen Saddam's photo with Rumsfield. What does that prove? I can bring Zardari's photos with Mush and other Pak Army men. Would that mean that Zardari collaborated with MUSH in murdering BB?
Your logic is very childish.
Nazia thinks: "it is sure to me now that you have an extra talent and can be promoted to high position in ISPR in coming years."
Thanks. I am humbled by your generosity and compliments. It would be an honor to work for ISPR.
Nazia says: "so sorry for your failed research, you need more time to understand my fearless personality"
I am hoping that my observation is wrong but I am afraid it is 'very near'to the opposite.
Nazia feels: "Why I feel through your words that you have encountered me some where other place in this blog world."
My best guess would be...........Deja Vu
Nazia asserts: "actually you are not swallowing my bitter truth about your loving institute and your arrogant and egoistic attitude is the reason of such conflict,so your arrogance is yours problem not mine, nor it can harass me to take covers of fake Ids for expressing my point of views."
Nazia my love for Pakistan Armed Forces is as genuine as my ID.
Nazia inquires: "By the way What you people say to such mental sickness in which lover is not in mood of accepting the crimes, mistake and sin of his/her own deed and his/her buddy too.If some one dare to show him/her the real face of his/her lover, or give some moral resistance, first he dont accept it and then willing to kill the person who is trying his/her best to bring him close to reality. I think you need some time to label this kind of schizophrenia."
I have not encountered such a lover who is not in mood of accepting himself/herself and his/her beloved as a sinner. But I shall explore this and share my findings with you.
Nazia opines: "you can say I am one of most content daughter of this soil which you are trying to pollute with concepts of conflicts,state of denial and confusions."
Time will tell.
Allah is my witness.
when you get good position in ISPR then do first job in priority.try to introduce refreshal courses of speaking truth to nation.This is urgent need of time.
Lie detector machine should be mandatory installed in front desks where spoke man comes to give updates to poor nation.
you say
My best guess would be………..Deja Vu
oh mon dieu la fanthome de reseau
"my love for Pakistan Armed Forces is as genuine as my ID."
first I have to verify your ID but no doubt about your love for pak army is more than genuine.
"Time will tell.
Allah is my witness".
Time is best decision maker.By the way I am not follower of ablees too(sahitan kee chailee).I also look for place where Allah can not witness me and I can do my sins comfortably even using fake ids but still unable to get such place.
Madame, je pensais que nous avions enfin une sorte de trêve tacite.
My first suggestion,after getting there, would be to screen out anti-state journalists from official press briefings.
Your concern about my Id is heading towards a serious delusional disorder. This is upsetting really.
Mughal Sahib I can discuss Mughal history with you all day long because it is a productive thing to do. On the other hand, propoganda against Pakistan Army or for that matter any other institution is not acceptable. Pakistan Armed Forces, Parliament, judiciary, police, NAB, FIA, wapda, nepra, railways, education, taxation, customs and so on, are our own institutions. We belong to these and they belong to us. Constructive criticsm is a wise thing to do but walking an extra mile to belittle the prestige and sacrifices of Pakistanis serving in any national institution to further one's own interests is not at all a patriotic act or a service to the nation.
Thanks to General Musharraf's enlightened moderation that we now have a free, powerful and vibrant electronic and print media in this country which was long denied to us by our crook politicians. Anyhow, media is one of the most powerful agency for influencing and expressing public opinion. Media is thelink between the rulers and the ruled. It must be honest, impartial and accurate. It must be free and must not be a monoply of vested interests. Unfortunately, some spin doctors are are trying to manipulate the facts. They are presenting distorted facts in a persistent and systematic
manner before such persons who are incapable of critical thinking, resistence or rejection due to immature age, inexperience or lack of education and sense of patriotism. Much can be poured into an empty head as it is actually an empty pot.
Working for a Jewish lobby against Pakistan's interests by journalists like Ansar Abbasi and his followers is one thing and addressing World Jewish Congress and meeting Israaeli leaders (and telling them that, quote"We can remain mired in old prejudices and keep the world hostage to the politics of perennially defining and redefining the enemy, or we can move forward with courage and reach out to work for the rebirth of history and a new future of peace, harmony, mutual respect, dignity and shared prosperity. We can lose this opportunity to narrow vision and a failure to see humanity in each other. The responsibility to make the right choice is in our hands." unquote) is a different matter altogether. If we can talk to India whose agents are working against Pakistan and its army then why couldn't our former President reach out to the Israelis and sort out differnces?
Read the Jack Rosen post again and read the role of Zia. I have no objection if you like Army. I am not bound to follow you. Yes, Army deserve respect but only those who are Non-Commissioned and work like Animal and they are the one who deserve Respect, Hounour and I salute them. Dear Shamyl sahab, please lecture those who are born after 12 Oct 1999.
Shamyl says: August 7, 2010 at 3:21 am If we can talk to India whose agents are working against Pakistan and its army then why couldn’t our former President reach out to the Israelis and sort out differnces?
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Musharraf aka Grunt used to say a lot about Jinnah's Pakistan and Jinnah's vision, read what was the policy of Jinnah towards Israel: Mossad, Mahmoud Al Mabhouh & Deception.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/02/mossad-ma...
shamyl
One thing I forget to add in my charge sheet made in your logical mind that trust me I have no misfortune in my life as I always take difficulty as my favorite challenges and never consider any thing in my life as misfortunes.
So you can say I am one of most content daughter of this soil which you are trying to pollute with concepts of conflicts,state of denial and confusions .
heee hee hee
Thanks shamyl for giving psychological postmortem of my personality.
I dont know how strong is your history knowledge about mughal emperors as it is my no go area but your deep and thoughtful observation about me is quite wrong.
But it is sure to me now that you have an extra talent and can be promoted to high position in ISPR in coming years.
You think I am afraid of persecution and injury or death in a form of insanity especially from army officers.
so sorry for your failed research, you need more time to understand my fearless personality.I have full confidence on my honest way of living that no corrupt officer can ever dare to persecute me or even think of inflicting me on basis of principles .Really I am sorry if my poor observation and relating comments have made an impression of my imaginary personality like insane person ,but I cant say other than it.
Dont worry about my mental health,since now it is very strong and consistent.
future is in hands of Allah who can dispose our all plans so i cant foresee in this regard
My training in professional life always keep me in vigilant form of absorbing all kind of setbacks(God bless me such strength) and even my backup plans are ready to counter all times of difficulties in my practical life.
I have a simple rules in my life that see the things with its originality, observe the performance/character of any person while he/she is on duty and say what always come in the range of truthfulness.
Why I feel through your words that you have encountered me some where other place in this blog world.
if you have some daring genes then I would like to hear your real Id.
ohhh sorry this is not in your job objective to face the world with real name so take it as light request.
actually you are not swallowing my bitter truth about your loving institute and your arrogant and egoistic attitude is the reason of such conflict,so your arrogance is yours problem not mine, nor it can harass me to take covers of fake Ids for expressing my point of views.
By the way What you people say to such mental sickness in which lover is not in mood of accepting the crimes, mistake and sin of his/her own deed and his/her buddy too.If some one dare to show him/her the real face of his/her lover, or give some moral resistance, first he dont accept it and then willing to kill the person who is trying his/her best to bring him close to reality.
I think you need some time to label this kind of schizophrenia.
Your request to management is urgent need of time but to whom you are trying to awake.
On public demand they have arranged all like that.
PM befooled by fake medical camp in Mianwali.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=109757
This is real performance of our disaster management cell under a beard general.
We are not more affected by natural disasters than our poor actions of contingency handling procedures.This water is our life line for coming months and we wait whole year for such level of rain drop but when it came we have diverted it to create the havoc for locals.All scenes are result of disaster management prominent in our all departments,nothing more than it.
Average rain fall of clouds can be estimated soon after it start its movement form our mountains ranges.
We are lucky that monsoon winds first reach India and china and from where we can get the source data that how much rain is coming ahead but our incompetent management waits until fully destroyed situation is developed .Then they move their machinery out to show some efficiency to public.
The officials are more interested in devastation , hoping for more aid to come in their pockets.
I have very bad observation regarding helping of victims.
Majority of local donors are corrupt and recipients have become so aggressive due to living in harsh environment for long times since the earth quake had come in northern side .
So to streamline the mandatory aide for real victims is now one of tough job in our all time effected areas.
MAM: Common practice doesn't justify it.
Shamyl: Nor your lame criticism is justified.
MAM: Then don't make a Plato out of Akbar.
Shamyl: What is so Platonic about it. Please elaborate.
MAM: What was "Deen-e-Illahi"? If he separated Religion from Politics.
Din-e-Illahi for your consumption: According to Sri Ram Sharma, it is a gross exaggeration to give the Din-i-Illahi the
rank of a religion. It had no book, no priests, no ceremonies, and practically no religious beliefs. Din-i-illahi was the crowning expression of the emperor's national idealism. Akbar's motive in founding Din-i-Illahi was political rather than religious. According to Blochman only 18 members joined this new order. Akbar did not propogate in the spirit of a missionary nor did he compel any one to become its member. However, the general population could not read the mind of Akbar. They failed to appreciate his new order. Sadly, ordinary mortals still don't know much about Din-i-Illah because many read those books which have been refuted and rejected as authentic historical works by impartial modern historians.
MAM: Three Generals in Mahmud Army were Hindus
"It is nowhere asserted that Mahmud Ghaznavi ever put a Hindu to death except in battle"(M. Elphinstone)
So I know that his campaigns never had a religious motives. But I don't know what is your point here. Mahmud raided and
destroyed Hindu temples that were store houses of wealth and some were political centres. Mahmud did so to finance Central Asian campaigns. His motive was economic. Whereas, Akbar motive was neither economic nor religious. It was rather aimed to establish the writ of his imperial government and establish himself as an undisputed emperor of India. So nothing wrong with that. Study of history must be free from undue bias or preconceived opinions.
MAM: NAB was just an Institution to create a Political Class/Party to serve the Military Junta
It is just your opinion. Rather it is the opinion of corrupt politicians, dishonest & convicted government officials and anti-state journalists. It won't change ground realities that existed in General Musharraf's era.
Journalists like Ansar Abassi thrive on lies, fabricated stories, conspiracy theories, foreign support and hired by a
group which is seriously suspected of having close contacts with the Jewish lobbies. His other anti-state brother journalists and baqi chotay motay chamchay bhi follow him and think they are unlocking some da vinci code. But in reality they are just wasting their time as Pakistan
Army is indespensible, free from intentional financial corruption and anti-state elements. And people serving in Pakistan Army, Navy and Air Force are the most committed, honest, daring and patriotic Pakistanis. No amount of false accusations, lies and media dramas can harm or demoralize Armed Forces of Pakistan nor patriotic Pakistanis.
@ Nazia
In its more extreme forms persecution mania is a recognized form of insanity. Some people imagine that others wish to kill
them, imprison them or to do them some other grave injury. Often the wish to prtect themselves against imaginary persecutors
(army officers in your case) leads them into erratic behaviour, acts of violence and false cries and which make it necessary to restrain their liberty. Then there is a person who has a genuine grievance founded upon actual facts but who generalizes in the light of his or her own experience and arrives at the conclusion that his or her own misfortune affords the key to the universe. For example that person discovers some scandal about an intelligence service which it is to the interest of the country to keep dark. The person can obtain hardly any publicity for this discovery, and most apparently high minded men refuse to lift a finger to remedy the evil which fills the person with indignation. So far the facts are as he/she says they are but his/her rebuffs have made such an impression upon him/her that the person believes all powerful men to be occupied wholly and solely in covering up the crimes to which they owe their power. Cases of this kind are particularly difficult to
manage due to the partial truth of their outlook. The thing that has touched them personally has made more impression upon them than the much larger number of matters of which they have had no direct experience. This gives them wrong sense of proportion and causes them to attach undue importance to facts which are perhaps exceptional and sometimes even non-existent. No wonder that you view an air crash as a result of malfucntioning due to military installations whereas the facts are totally opposite.
Shamyl says: August 6, 2010 at 4:48 pm
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Your post could be your opinion.
Shamyl says: August 6, 2010 at 4:48 pm Journalists like Ansar Abassi thrive on lies, fabricated stories, conspiracy theories, foreign support and hired by a group which is seriously suspected of having close contacts with the Jewish lobbies.
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LOL:) Jewis Lobbies and Ansar Abbasi:) Jang Group & Ansar Abbasi's Obsession with CIA, FBI, Mossad & MI6.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/04/jang-grou...
Aamir Mughal says: August 6, 2010 at 9:31 pm Shamyl says: August 6, 2010 at 4:48 pm Journalists like Ansar Abassi thrive on lies, fabricated stories, conspiracy theories, foreign support and hired by a group which is seriously suspected of having close contacts with the Jewish lobbies.
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LOL:) How about some soul searching because a very Powerful Jewish Leader visited your favourite Enlightened General Musharraf and by the way one of Pakistan's COAS served the Israel: Shireen M. Mazari & Paranoid Delusions of Zionist Conspiracy http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/shireen-m...
Shamyl says: August 6, 2010 at 4:48 pm Journalists like Ansar Abassi thrive on lies, fabricated stories, conspiracy theories, foreign support and hired by a group which is seriously suspected of having close contacts with the Jewish lobbies.
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Army buying Swat land in breach of law: Herald Friday, 06 Aug, 2010 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l... KARACHI: The army is acquiring thousands of kanals of land for four garrisons it has planned to set up in Swat – one each in Barikot, Kabal, Khwazakhela and Matta – bypassing the law and, in some instances, to the displeasure of local people, the Herald reports.
According to a report published in the magazine’s August issue, that hit the newsstands today (Friday), military officials appointed in Swat are heading negotiations with local land-owners for the acquisition of land. This is in violation of the provisions of the Land Acquisition Act, 1894, which states that only the civilian administration is authorised to acquire land for public purposes. Some local people are also not happy with the land acquisition and the prices being offered. Sher Shah Khan, whose family will lose 4,000 kanals of land in Kabal to a cantonment, is one of them.
“We told the army that this is our source of livelihood but they said there was no possibility of the government acceding to our demand of not building a garrison in this area,” he said. A known political figure of Matta, who wishes to remain anonymous, puts it this way: “Paying 73 rupees per square foot for fertile land of Swat is a joke being played on the Swati people. It is less than you pay for a square foot of an average quality carpet.”
Muhgal
Vitamin “I” with Reference and Press Clippings [nobody was taken to court for the damaging news]
In Might is Right phenomena in any society, people should be used to of living on least standard of living
Nobody can do anything if all state functionaries have decided to join hands in corruption race.
PM by giving 3 years extension to COAS has secured his seat along with presidency.So they all have secured their position by in-securing the foundation of Pakistan.
you either use Vitamin I or Vitamin C&P or feel proud to be jiyala of PPP,or even such words coming out from majority of Pakistan as mentioned in this report
Zardari's Katrina
Why is Pakistan’s president junketing while his people drown?
BY FATIMA BHUTTO | AUGUST 4, 2010
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/04/z...
Situation would only change if people on top will be able to reverse the phrase as Right should be Might in national building process instead of increasing status of individuals.
I have tried to do something: Help the poor victims of Floods in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa & Balochistan. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/08/help-poor...
It's not much but it's better than nothing and do read the commentary on "Charming President and Chain Smoking COAS"
Op-ed: For whom the drone tolls Posted by Teeth Maestro July 22, 2010
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US Army begins relief missions in Pakistan By SHERIN ZADA (AP) – 20 minutes ago http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...
Good corps Vs bad president.
this should be theme of present situation where people are more interested in point securing other than services.
Now at this situation you can judge what is the exact reason of down fall of political group and strengthening of militarism in Pakistan.
PPP is proving efficiently that democracy is surely a name of revenge and they are taking it well with the people of Pakistan.
Mughal
Vitamin "I" with Reference and Press Clippings [nobody was taken to court for the damaging news]
I again say that it is not my job as an ordinary civilian to harm any body or bring him/her to court.
Oh sure I am responsible of my acts and my duties which I am doing well.
I might show over reaction on the wrong doings of others but I know limits of rights and duties in professional careers.
If one is criminally wrong on the line of duty he/she be projected in the same way instead of presenting him/her as lady of state or as national hero.
Shamyl
You are one of dedicated employee of army and rightly picked for this job which you are doing.
Really in this time of depression after seeing disasters on national level . your comments give me uncontrollable smile .
Thanks for giving me such moments and assuring me that why our generals are unable to reach the reality that they are corrupt from the depth of their soul .
Because you people are here to increase their moral strength what ever they pick for themselves.
You are giving us extra ordinary observation about Gen Ithisam zameer.
you say
Whatever General Ehtesham Zameer said on media was a result of his differences with Musharraf. Whatever statements he made was in his personal capacity not official.
By the way are you sure he was general of Pakistan strongest intelligence group, a loving buddy of Musharraf.
Did he need more portfolio than above in which his statements is considered unnoticed.
Is he is some kind of duffer house wife who if gets angry with husband , get no time to curse him in front of his enemies.
Such statements if given in some civilized country can charged any official but this is miltiary land so all ex army men are free to speak what ever crime they did in their uniform.
That is why people like you are booked to justify their illegitimacy which are basically criminal offense.
Gen zameer and Gen alvi(murdered in Bahria town) are close relatives.They both are resident of bahrai town where expensive land were gifted to them by malik riaz on the orders of Musharf.
They both were accomplice of Musharf in strengthening taliabn network in our boundaries .
Alvi in drunk state, revealed sensitive information in front of foreign journalist about double games of Musahrf and tariq majeed and that is why he was killed by same agency which was once headed by zameer.
@amir
[ Dear Shamyl,
In one statement you are referring to “Sovereignty” and what not and in earlier statement you are talking about “what version of history”, please define “Sovereignty” in the light of General Ayub’s permission to the USA to establish Airforce [Reconnaissance Base] on Pakistani Soil. I don’t know how do you define ” “Sovereignty” ]
very well said dude
:) I still couldn't understand the "Enlightened Moderation" of Musharraf who was supporting the Deoabandi Anarchy before 811 and even after that:) And this takes me back to Pervez Musharraf’s first visit to the US after his coup. At a meeting with a group of journalists among whom I was present, my dear and much lamented friend Tahir Mirza, then the Dawn correspondent, asked Musharraf why he was not acting against Lashkar-e Tayba and Jaish-e Muhammad. Musharraf went red in the face and shot back, “They are not doing anything in Pakistan. They are doing jihad outside.” “LIES”of General [R] Pervez Musharraf, Sharifs & Talibans. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/liesof-ge...
oops:) 911 and what is more amazing that "Fraud like General Mahmod was in USA when all this happened and now please define the "Sovereignty" is in the hands of Allah in the light of this Historical Data:)9 -11 & Said Bahaji: Right under the Nose of Bush, Musharraf and Mahmud.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/10/9-11-said...
ISI is busy phone tapping the journalists so that they can prove that the journalists are funded by RAW, MOSAD, CIA.
But they don't have time to find the people responsible for the ethnic cleansing in Karachi.
Since GEO has been hijacked by MQM, the funeral of the deceased is shown with so much highlight that the viewers would agree with the aftermath killing of innocent bus drivers, Mochis and Shakargandi walas.
Is there any one who has balls to call a spade a spade? or the morals of fake-video-creators only respond to the $$$$$$$$ and publicity????
Shamyl
you are just looking me sharmeela farooqi of Musharf and sometime give me glimpse of Dr nirgas ashiq awan.
This job for Musahrf was once taken by kashmala but she had quit this job after seeing true acts of his bravery,his runaway status.
You say
This act of yours is laudable.
There is nothing laudable in my act as it had negligible effect on the system/company as my status was only a common person.
General amjad is still following his oil refinery deal with the same company .He is recognized as amiable social worker in elite group of Islamabad.
So corruption development is linked with acts of authoritative people and wrong doings of junior officers create minute effects on the performance of any institute and easily can be checked if bosses are honest.
You say
Still, corruption is at its lowest levels when we talk about army as an institution.
wrong very wrong.
they do group corruption now.
Generals even now feel no shame to shake hands with captain for facilitating their game plans of corruption.
You claim
I am educated enough and sensitive enough to know and experience the damages caused by the dictatorships and political uncertainty.
Then you declare that you hate zia but love musahrf as his true lover.
In past posts you are lecturing us to see the things in borader picture.
Now I give you broader picture.
Zia and Mussarf are opposite side of same coin or you can see new type of wines in old bottle.
Agendas come from Washington and they were handpicked by US as their blue boys.
There is no other capability hidden on them which made them to rule Pakistan under dictatorship.
That is the reason Musharraf couldnt think of staying in Pakistan after seat had been snatched from him through same powers who are now behind kiyani.They are our balloon boys to whom air is fed from US compressor..
You are short in memory that he was Musharraf and his ISI team that who strengthened MMA in KhberPK through fake elections.
That was same MMA who spread the plague of taliabnsiation from hidden areas to all over Pakistan close to our homes.
General Ithasham zameer got billions through this game.
Now he is running many companies in islamabad with fake coverup.
Dont take 180 degree turn by indulging judiciary in this game of power.
They were just unarmed pawns of establishment.
Your loving general had tried his best to prove that ch iftikhar was corrupt but people were in mood of giving him second chance.
Judges are trying to erect their image so lets give them some space.At this moment it is only active pillar of state that is doing some favor to public matters.
I disagree with your comment. Again you are exploring conspiracy theories and wandering like a nomad. The broader picture is that Pakistan army has played a vital role in safeguarding the interests of this country and its people. It is the most professional and well organised institution in the country.It is also the largest employer in the country. All efforts to malign Pak Army are bound to
end up in failure becuase there are no real basis behind malafide accusations and conspiracies.Dictatorships and army's forced entry into politics is altogether a different story necessitated by spirit of sacrifice and honoring national commitments.
As i said earlier that head of a regime in a country takes certain decisions that sometimes are not error free. But one should also give the credit where it is due.
You can go on and on discussing personal and private matters of Generals one by one but it is going to prove nothing.
General Ehtesham Zameer, an enlightened man, hails from a very well to do and intelluctual family. He is also an excellent administrator and highly decorated officer. One should not be envious of successful high achievers and blame them without any concrete proof.
It is another matter that he later on developed some professional diferences with General Musharraf and the fifth columnists tried to sensationalize and fantasize his activities. I bet you can never prove in any court of law that he has accumulated personal wealth and assets beyond his known sources of income. There is no offence of willful default commited by him during his service.
I have no love lost for judiciary but since you mentioned Ch Iftikhar so I had to touch upon the prevailing and known corruption in that active but rogue institution.
And yes when judges mistakenly perform their duty you say they are "doing a favor" to public matters but when the army professionally and efficiently perform its duty you say "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" just like that wolf's foul cry which i heard in a folk tale when i was a child. A cry that is so absurd that no sane mind would believe in.
Shamyl says: August 4, 2010 at 2:26 am General Ehtesham Zameer, an enlightened man, hails from a very well to do and intelluctual family. He is also an excellent administrator and highly decorated officer.
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Now that was really a "Breaking Story" now read what he has said himself as to how he helped Musharraf in Official Capacity by Rigging an Election and what not, enjoy the show of Dawn news as well: DAWN NEWS CHANNEL Investigative Program ON MEHRANGATE SCANDAL, Late Mr Jatoi was one of the beneficiary [DAWN News TV Investigation Report with Masood Sharif – 6th January 2008 http://www.sharifpost.com/2008/01/06/dawn-news-tv-...
Shamyl says: August 4, 2010 at 2:26 am General Ehtesham Zameer, an enlightened man, hails from a very well to do and intelluctual family. He is also an excellent administrator and highly decorated officer.
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General Ehtesham Zameer, an enlightened man, - ISLAMABAD: The main wheeler and dealer of the ISI during the 2002 elections, the then Maj-Gen Ehtesham Zamir, now retired, has come out of the closet and admitted his guilt of manipulating the 2002 elections, and has directly blamed Gen Musharraf for ordering so. Talking to The News, the head of the ISI’s political cell in 2002, admitted manipulating the last elections at the behest of President Musharraf and termed the defeat of the King’s party, the PML-Q, this time “a reaction of the unnatural dispensation (installed in 2002).” Zamir said the ISI together with the NAB was instrumental in pressing the lawmakers to join the pro-Musharraf camp to form the government to support his stay in power. Responding to a question regarding corruption cases that were used as pressure tactics on lawmakers, he said: “Yes! This tool was used, not only by the ISI. The NAB was also involved in this exercise.” REF: Sunday, February 24, 2008 [The News International AND Jang] details: Zardari Specific Judiciary/Accountability & News Reports/Press Clippings. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/zardari-s...
NOTE: I hope you remember what Quran and Hadith have to say about Bribery, Theft, Equal Justice for all [across the board accountability] and Fasad Fil Arz or should I quote the relevant Quranic Verse and Hadith.
@ A.Mughal
Whatever General Ehtesham Zameer said on media was a result of his differences with Musharraf. Whatever statements he made was in his personal capacity not official. And i am not going to discuss each and every statement of each and every retired general. If you compare the amount recovered by NAB under General Musharraf's enlightened moderate rule then you would discover that the Bureau has recovered the looted money from corrupt public office holders more than what Anti-Corruption and FIA (combined) recovered since the birth of this country. And it is not shocking to see how the politicians made NAB a maligned institution as soon as the General honorably handed over power to them. Now they are filling NAB with Jiyalas.
Shamyl says: - August 4, 2010 at 9:27 pm @ A.Mughal If you compare the amount recovered by NAB under General Musharraf’s enlightened moderate rule
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Please don't because I was in service and I know what happened and what about written off loans in Billions of those who are habitual defaulters and known thieves. List presented in National Assembly is in the link below, enjoy: Zardari Specific Judiciary/Accountability & News Reports/Press Clippings. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/zardari-s...
Aamir Mughal says: "Please don’t because I was in service and I know what happened and what about written off loans in Billions of those who are habitual defaulters and known thieves."
I am referring to sheep and you are talking about hens. I am talking about the money recovered and you are pointing towards loans written off.
Shamyl says: August 5, 2010 at 1:25 am I am referring to sheep and you are talking about hens. I am talking about the money recovered and you are pointing towards loans written off.
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Yes I know what are you talking about and I know how much was recovered and how much was written off. I have watched and witnessed all such fraud during my service.
No you don't seem to understand what I am saying. And yes I was in service too and I myself witnessed all the honesty, efficiency and sincerity of NAB in recovering the looted money.
Shamyl says: August 5, 2010 at 2:50 am No you don’t seem to understand what I am saying. all the honesty, efficiency and sincerity of NAB in recovering the looted money.
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Honesty like this? What about probing Mehran Bank above all why did Amjad protected his batch mate Aftab Sherpao??? Would you tell that the so-called Honest Regime of General Musharraf accepted Worst Rascals from every political party to run his govt.? Do you call this honesty? NAB was just an Institution to create a Political Class/Party to serve the Military Junta: let me give you a glimpse of Honesty:
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And this takes me back to Pervez Musharraf’s first visit to the US after his coup. At a meeting with a group of journalists among whom I was present, my dear and much lamented friend Tahir Mirza, then the Dawn correspondent, asked Musharraf why he was not acting against Lashkar-e Tayba and Jaish-e Muhammad. Musharraf went red in the face and shot back, “They are not doing anything in Pakistan. They are doing jihad outside.” "LIES"of General [R] Pervez Musharraf, Sharifs & Talibans. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/liesof-ge...
Shamyl says: August 5, 2010 at 2:50 am No you don’t seem to understand what I am saying. all the honesty, efficiency and sincerity of NAB in recovering the looted money.
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I understand very well and I learned during 10 years of my Government Service that "Khurpa" are always Liars: Lt. Gen (Retd) Shahid Aziz too is a relative of President General Pervez Musharraf. A fact Gen Musharraf has himself mentioned in his memoir 'In the Line of Fire' (page 121). Gen Musharraf dubbed Shahid Aziz as the centre for the counter coup operation in 1999 after whose success General Musharraf took over. One More Multifaceted Fraud: Lt . General (R) Shahid Aziz - EX-Chairman NAB. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/12/one-more-...
Shamyl says: August 5, 2010 at 2:50 am No you don’t seem to understand what I am saying. all the honesty, efficiency and sincerity of NAB in recovering the looted money.
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I don't know about you but I saw how NAB was formed [worst kind notorious persons were appointed by General Amjad himself in 1999/200] and I was in Service when NAB was being ORGANIZED saw those who formed it by committing this Treason: It was General Mahmood, General Aziz, General Ali Jan Orakzai, General Jamshed Gulzar Kiyani and General Rafiullah Niazi [Musharraf was in the Air with then then Brigadier Nadeem Taj]Details are in this blog Now read: Alleged Demand For The Trial of NRO Creators.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/01/alleged-d...
Is this you call "Honesty"
Hey guys
Here looks that now you people have started using my vitaman I capsules.
mughal says
Yes I know what are you talking about and I know how much was recovered and how much was written off. I have watched and witnessed all such fraud during my service.
Shamyl says:
No you don’t seem to understand what I am saying. And yes I was in service too and I myself witnessed all the honesty, efficiency and sincerity of NAB in recovering the looted money.
Shamyl
If you spent billions and recover millions than you think that such costly actions are justified.
this is the way our army management make their feasibility report and defense expenditures.
In which countries luxurious cars each cost one crore rupees
are offered to guards of nation for their high time and comfortable life.
The strong men are picked as soldiers and that is why extra ordinary respect is given to their status as country need their strength and sincerity to guard homeland.
People living in luxurious bungalows and easy life cant be fit for this miltiary job.
Now you can probe the biography of all generals in last 30 years.90% are running business ventures.Where they got his fund, you people should know it better than me as you worked indirectly close to them.
Dont push me to swallow fly after seeing it.
Nazia says: - August 5, 2010 at 3:17 pm Hey guys Here looks that now you people have started using my vitaman I capsules.
mughal says Yes I know what are you talking about and I know how much was recovered and how much was written off. I have watched and witnessed all such fraud during my service.
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Vitamin "I" with Reference and Press Clippings [nobody was taken to court for the damaging news]
So Karachi is burning again, at the hands of its own citizens
Assassins associated with MQM had been on target killing spree for a while. Looks like finally some one got bold enough and one of the top associates of MQM mafia was gunned down.
In a retallation several poor workers driving minibusses and busses and trucks have been killed and several vehicles have been torched.
The way MQM is serving justice is quit schocking. Absocnding party leader of MQM, has been very vocal about terrorism, but when it comes to Karachi and Hyderabad he closes his eyes, just because the perpetrators are his own goons.
کراچی میں فائرنگ میں انتیس افراد ہلاک
آخری وقت اشاعت: منگل 3 اگست 2010 , 20:17 GMT 01:17 PST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2010/08/100802_...
کچھ عینی شاہدین کا کہنا ہے کہ حملہ آوروں نے جو ایک موٹر سائیکل اور سفید رنگ کی کرولا کار میں سوار تھے فائرنگ سے پہلے اللہ اکبر کا نعرہ لگایا۔ پولیس نے شبہ ظاہر کیا ہے کہ واقعے میں کالعدم لشکر جھنگوی ملوث ہے۔
کراچی کی ایک مذہبی جماعت مجلس وحدت مسلمین کے رہنماؤں علامہ حسن ظفر نقوی اور محمد مہدی نے حکومت سے مطالبہ کیا ہے کہ وہ کالعدم مذہبی تنظیموں کے خلاف کراچی میں آپریشن کرے اور دہشت گردوں اور اُن کے سر پرستوں کوجلد سے جلد گرفتار کرے۔
رہنماؤں کا کہنا تھا کے اگر حکومت سانحہ نشتر پارک ،سانحہ عاشورہ، چہلم اور داتا دربار میں ملوث دہشت گروں کو گرفتار کر لیتی اور ان کے پشت پناہی کرنے والے عوامل کو سامنے لے آتی تو اس طرح کے واقعات پیش نہیں آتے۔
دوسری جانب وفاقی وزیر داخلہ رحمان ملک نے سینیٹ میں بیان دیتے ہوئے کہا کہ ایم کیو ایم کے رکن صوبائی اسمبلی حیدر رضا کو کالعدم تنظیم سپاہ صحابہ پاکستان کی جانب سے دھمکیاں مل رہی تھیں۔ ان کا کہنا تھا کہ ان دھمکیوں کی اطلاع سندھ حکومت اور گورنر سندھ ڈاکٹر عشرت العباد کو دے دی گئی تھی۔
Mughal
kindly solve this intellectual mystery under this link as I am unable to understand what is actually going on in Karachi.
SSP chief meets Sindh CM
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...
Was Razahaider a standby waste of mqm who sacrificed like that?
He was in mqm area in a city( where mqm is ruling for last 15 years), under protection of mqm guard, attending the funeral of mqm people and surrounded by mqm workers.So who know his whereabouts better than mqm people.
if I am a Taliban or ANP follower then why I pick low profile character like him instead of dr Sattar ,Babar ghouri(the zardari of mqm in corruption style),hyder Abbas rizvi(Equivalent to caliber of sharmeela farooqi) like mouthpieces.
kiling of Habib jalib, son of mian iftikhar and then razahaider .
Where we are heading now.
One killing of raza haider ensued killing of 50 human beings mostly belong to pukhtoon background and loss of million rupees assets of working class of Pakistan.
I am not confirmed but such kind of ethnic killings start in Karachi when establishment want to divert the attention of media and public from some serious issue.
Nazia says: - August 3, 2010 at 11:30 pm Mughal kindly solve this intellectual mystery under this link as I am unable to understand what is actually going on in Karachi.
SSP chief meets Sindh CM
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Deoabndi Fazlu is an Ally of PPP:) Mystrey Solved:)
Mughal
Your rapid judgment is not exact answer of my query.
I am really impressed how mualana liduanavi is challenging state authority in front of media men and such daring overconfident claims of this Mualana should be praised.
For the last months he was claiming again and again in front of whole media and people of Pakistan that give him single proof his involvement in any terrorist activity .
Nobody is responding him on what reasons he and his followers are put on top in this blame game.
Each day he brings the name of political people whom he is supporting for many years.They belong to all parties.
He has much better personality than mqm people who as a ruling party is breaking the record of crying like opposition child.
It was so disgusting to see that a ruling party of Karachi is unable to maintain law and order situation in their own city where they always claim that they secure record breaking votes from such constituencies.
Mughal
have you made any summarized report on the wave of terrorism in our civilian set up and attacks on police force in your blog.
If you have then ,can it be shared under your name in my report in which I will give to some officials of Punjab police as a little contribution from civil society.
After martyrdom of Sifwat Ghayur, the head of the 25,000-strong Frontier Constabulary, in target killing attack ,some honest police officers(seem to be) are desperately looking for root causes and necessary steps taken on immediate basis to counter such kind of home insurgency as these attacks t are badly demoralizing their men to perform their duty properly.
They are looking for feed backs from common citizens too..
So if you want to contribute in this way, let me know
thanks
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