Talibanisation of Clifton and DHA

well said, and nice observation.
This type of people are enjoying the luxury like they are living in no man's land.

Did you get any response from our talented general?
It is important how he negate your observation.

Mughal
You say
Mirza Aslam Beg should refresh his International Affairs studies [dumb]

Try to convey this message to gen beig or put it in his blog or face book and get ready for lengthy baseless lectures from A to Z.
I call him as altaf bhai of Pak army.
Ready to deliever all time baseless lectures without demand of public and what ever the problem , he has same kind of theme which is misunderstood to general public always.Only difference is that army training stops him to make hoarse cry in which Altaf bahi got specialization during his self imposed political exile in UK.

A1
these generals spend their last 5 6 years as viceroy of Pakistan.Easy life ,luxurious facilities which are even not available to US president, lot of flattery subordinates, large man powers to salute them and their wives all the time.
In this period they all forget that from where they had come, what are their real objectives during job. Weak civilian govt has given them some kind of superiority complex that they are better managers and decision makers of whole nation.
As they are not put on the scale of accountability which is mandatory action in all kind of Job,they are indulged in complex as saviors of Pakistan so they have plenty of time to act like think tanks which have no wheels to even drag for a while.
So these white elephants when on job monthly gather in core commander conference to decide the fate of majority under power of gun and on retirement spread pearls of stupidities as sign of intellectualism just like Aslam beig and all do in front of media.

Ibrahim
Gen mirza is enjoying his luxurious life style as defense specialists in pa
lace like villas in general's colony.He is no more in position to even clean the mess which he spread during his time.All serving generals are following same foot steps what he had done in his tenure.Followed the interest of US and allies and fill their pockets as per demand.
So Pakistan is one of unlucky state in this world where her establishment are rated on top in corruption and incompetency when they are on job .but they behave like top class advisers when they are finally retired from govt job.
They are just like coals which tend to be diamond when thrown out from the line of duty.

Read this:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/06/18/general-mi...

Look like (Na)Pak Army is now patching-up and covering their shit.

@Mughal: The Carnegie report you have quoted above gives a pretty realistic picture of the balance of power in Pakistan. I think it is a must read.

But the general tone of the article reeks of a colonial mindset - We (western governments) should demand this; We should do this; We should require this and so on......

The report goes on to say:

"After they are in government, civilians face the almost impossible task of balancing the imperatives of civilian politics with the sensitivities of the military’s top commanders, a task exacerbated by civilian leaders’ lack of governmental autonomy. They have not and could not have performed better than the military. This, in turn, discredited democratic politics in Pakistan."

This is spot on but I would like to add that there is also a lack of will on the part of the politicians. The civilian government generally does not seem interested in dabbling in foreign & defense policies. They are quite willing to let the military run these policies & give them their cues as long as the military leaves them sufficient space to enjoy the fruits of government.

We have a somewhat similar situation in Turkey where the military even has a constitutionally mandated role. The AKP party has gradually been wresting control from the military leadership & they have acted wisely. But that is only happening because the civilian leadership is capable, competent & interested in making the institutions stronger - unlike in Pakistan where the individuals have more importance over institutions. When the military opposed their candidate for President, Abdullah Gul, they called for a fresh elections. And they managed to get Abdullah Gul elected despite strong opposition from their military establishment. I doubt any party in Pakistan would call elections over a candidate in the fear that they might lose the government to opposition if elections are held.

Al says: = June 25, 2010 at 2:40 pm @Mughal: I think almost all of the then West Pakistan’s leadership is to blame over the mess we created in East Pakistan – From what i have been told by my father & uncles, West Pakistani’s generally looked down upon the Bengalis. There were very very few sane voices pointing out the injustices we were doing to them.
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1000% agreed. If you would go through the Editorials of the Then Nawae-Waqt [Rampantly Prejudiced and fiercely Racist Anti Bengali] you would be forced to think as if Bengalis were Zionists. Such was the hate for Bengalis who were the backbone of Pakistan even Pakistan Resolution of Lahore was drafted by Maulvi A K Fazle Haq [later he was declared Anti State by the West Pakistani Leaseholder of Two Nation Theory, Islam and Pakistan]

Aamir,

First of all, I changed the nick.

"You are lecturing Mr. Kalb-e-Abbas on Politics and defending Taliban..."

Where did I defend Taliban?

Does exposing MQMs propaganda means supporting taliban? You sound like Altaf Hussain.

2ndly, I said Sindhi speaking dakooz, that means dakooz could be of any language. Why did you pick the 'Lakree'? Chor kee darhee main tinka?

3rd:"MAM: Why forget Jamat-e-Islami who helped Army in butchering East Pakistanis through Al Shams Al Badar"

They must be playaing in the hands of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, when they didn't accept the rule of majority or may be both Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and jamat-e-islami were enjoying the warm lap of our Heroes in Pakistan Army. IRONY eh!!!!!

Mr. Mansoor Hallaj: We should NOT malign or generalize entire community [majority of every community all over the world consist upon decent and hard working peaceful people] to prove our point. Did I say anything "Prejudiced" anywhere above to prove my point.

Ana-alHaq says: - June 24, 2010 at 7:34 am Kalb-e-kalb-Altaf,

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Dear Mr. Mansoor Hallaj,

You are lecturing Mr. Kalb-e-Abbas on Politics and defending Taliban but the solgan [your nick Ana-alHaq means I am the Truth [mean I am Allah] is open Kufr [Disbelief]

Mansoor Hallaj: But MQM is not the only one to blame, this is the political culture of Pakistan. Was MQM any weaker, sindhi speaking dakoos would have committed the same crimes in Karachi as they do in interior sindh.

MAM: Why forget Jamat-e-Islami who helped Army in butchering East Pakistanis through Al Shams Al Badar. So, don't single out Sindhi Speaking alone because "Dacoits" can be in any group and for that we should malign entire community [majority of every community all over the world consist upon decent and hard working peaceful people]

Kalb-e-kalb-Altaf,

and you are MQM propgandist??

I guess talibans are the coast-guards too, you didn't cover that entry point of Karachi.

You and your peer-kallan are mindless thugs. If pashtu speaking land mafias have taken the entry points of the city, the urdu speaking mafia has taken the living points of the city as land grabing opportunity.

So don't blame it on one ethnic group, its everybody who has power. be it Panjabi, Pashtun, Sindhi or Muhajir.

Right now media in Karachi is a hostage of MQM, they don't dare to speak against MQMafia. They know they could endup in a boree if they speak the truth. But do you think we the educated masses of Karachi are blind and don't see the truth?

MQM did not give Muhajirs any thing other than a generation of mindless ASSASINS, who would murder at the will of BAREY-BHI.

But MQM is not the only one to blame, this is the political culture of Pakistan. Was MQM any weaker, sindhi speaking dakoos would have committed the same crimes in Karachi as they do in interior sindh.

The only reason Zardari is in bed with Altaf Hussain is (not that both are RANDWEY) but because its the will or OUR BAREY-SARKAAAR ;)

Qalb e Abbas says: June 23, 2010 at 10:54 pm Can any of you deny the fact that 90% Pushtoons lives on illegally occupied Government and Civilian Land of Karachi ?
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Yes, I deny that. Go the Board of Revenue and check the details of Land Encroached by Cantonment Boards. Ex Nazim Karachi Mr Mustafa Kamal had once protested when Rains had caused damaged and people raise finger on Mustafa Kamal to which he replied "don't complain because 13 Departments control Karachi so they should also shoulder responsibility not only the CDGK.

Abbas
I am just giving you my personal experience but mughal is showing the real picture with proper reference o kindly point your finger toward him and his observation.
I witnessed many times while my stay in Karachi that ranger provided full support to mqm people just like Taliban of Karachi who are per your observation is following the old miltiary strategy by cordoning off areas around Karachi
These Taliban killed hundreds of innocent civilians in all Pakistan but never dared to attack a single time on any popular member of mqm who is always considered as strong critic of Taliban and ANP all the time.

Nazia
Rangers are not under MQM, it is headed by a Maj Gen of Pakistan Army appointed by GHQ.
don't pull leg of MQM in every matter as it only shows your sick mentality.

To take over a city the old military strategy is to surround the city, takeover all the entry and exit points, takeover food supply routes.
Karachi is now completely surrounded by the Talibans and their alikes, People of Karachi just think for a second how all the karachi entry and exit points including Sohrab Goth, National Highway, Hub River Road(Exit point to Baluchistan) and Area around Port is now Officially occupied by illegal land grabbing, these areas are not accessible to law enforcement agencies and to common people as well.
People who think Taliban can't take over Karachi should think again and should pay a visit to all these areas.
I challenge each and everyone of you to go Sohrab Goth, Go Al Asif and see what i talking about is right or wrong.
Karachi is surrounded and its matter of time when they will attack Karachi from all four corners of Karachi.
Can any of you deny the fact that 90% Pushtoons lives on illegally occupied Government and Civilian Land of Karachi ?

Mughal
The above provided link is 100% correct and it only miss the point that how much senior officers in rangers are earning by collaborating with mqm.
I was in touch with rangers through my family circles when I was living in Karachi.
They fully helped mqm people in local bodies election.A real force behind victory of mustafa kamal team .I heard all there ways how they received orders from commander of area to cordon off polling stations in afternoon and then actions of mqm jiyala were started by filling all kind of ballot boxes in one and two hours.
On 27 dec most of rangers wings were ordered to cordon off only govt people or official building .They were not given orders to protect the people and their properties.that is why that day people faced huge kind of losses.
On papers rangers are said to be under interior ministry but hey are controlled by generals who get full feed backs from GHQ.This force has been divided into southern and northern divisions and each unit is under control of a serving general and few brigadiers, then they pick their favorite colonials and majors and call them in rangers as part of lucrative deputations.
This way clever minds of GHQ put the burden of hundred of officers on civil side under the name of interior ministry.
These army posted officers hardly go for tough field jobs and keep DSRs and lower rank officers to do their duties for extremely lengthy hours.The soldiers of rangers are least paid employees with unaccountable tough working hours even in critical areas.
So actually this is way of communication of mqm force and GHQ and all orders and planing of GHQ are provided to them through these deputed officers in rangers circle.

Mughal
I am not talking about ZAB but Bhutto.
There were no scenes of horrible street crimes in the name of mourning at the time of ZAB.
But what ever we have seen/heard at the time of Benazir's killing was unbelievable and unmatchable to any other tragedy of Pakistan.

Well written.
I visited Pakistan after 2 years and seeing the specific surroundings in DHA and Clifton of these local badmaashs, I was traumatized in a certain way. These are terrorists of their own kind.
At one end is the poor man who cannot even feed his wife and children with a proper 2 meal/day, and on the other are these lunatics who have battalions of cars, jeeps, police mobiles and the list never ends. They've left no bone cracking in corruption and have bracketed themselves as the best examples of scoundrel-ism.

May The Almighty bless this country. Amen.

Nazia says: - June 22, 2010 at 10:20 pm Mughal how zthat possible that you have forgotten the most horrific day in the history of Pakistan specially for people living in Sindh. I think you are not living in Pakistan that is why you have no personal experience of facing the worst even staying in our homes.

MAM: Yes I was in Pakistan when Bhutto was murdered in 1979. I used to live in Malir and was in Class 7.

Mughal
how zthat possible that you have forgotten the most horrific day in the history of Pakistan specially for people living in Sindh.
I think you are not living in Pakistan that is why you have no personal experience of facing the worst even staying in our homes.
When Bhutto was hanged, I have a very little memory but I was in some market place with my mother, when she heard the news from people that he was hanged.I only remembered her tears and noted that people were talking about Bhutto only with lot of sorrowfulness in their voices.That was all I recalled on the market place of lahore.No fear of riots were observed but I saw people were not believing on this kind of death.
On my grand pa homes I saw few of my cousins who were active in politics in universities were locked by their parents so that they were not caught by police
On the contrary, when bhutto was murdered, I was in market place too, and when it was heard bhutto got bullet wounds, every thing looks trembling on the ground.Shops started closing, aerial firing have started, Luckily I was near to home so reached safely but my all other family members who were stuck other places never came back home for whole night due to tension on the roads.
I heard horrible stories from sindh and Karachi areas.
In precise way I told that there were no real mourners on our streets when bhutto was shot dead.they were professional rioters and criminals who knew well what to do and what to get in this crucial time.They all had special kind of arsenals, wooden baton and arms to harass people and interesting thing was absence of state 'writ in all critical areas.
In some areas of Karachi people were stuck in their homes for more than 3 days and they didn't see any kind of state actions even giving them many SOS calls.
So in summarize way I have told you my personal experience in both tragic events in history of Pakistan.

I think during Musharraf regime, khan shahib was busy in presidency where it is said that too much tranquility and calmness never allowed its residents to think what is going on other parts of the country.
No normal person can deny the extent of violence in Karachi even one party rule is dominant there for last 20 years.Actually people are all time ready for eruption any kind of violence.Violence has become part of their life styles.12 may and 27 dec like horrible days have given them different lessons of adopting self security procedures therefore most of them are now dependent on private armed security.