NRO Order, CJ Or 18th Amendment
Guest blog by Barrister Amjad Malik
16 December 2010 Supreme Court order on NRO (National Reconciliation Ordinance) has shattered the ruling govt which was standing on the 4 pillars of this barter orchestrated by military & Pentagon , USA &UK and (PPP) Pak people party leadership which is clutching and hanging on to a straw now. Instead of whole heartedly, understanding the tenacity of situation and implementing the order by realigning politically based on reality, the leadership went for hit and run ditto of their predecessor General Musharraf who sacked the chief justice who was considering a petition on his Presidential election in military uniform.
Same is the case with PPP govt which is willing to lock horns with the judiciary and is willing to wipe out the whole political democratic dispensation if the buck comes to shove and the issue comes to their govt’s fall. They do not wish to leave as corrupt but be drummed out with a bang as victims and history tells victims reappear in Pakistani politics. Govt is in between rock and a hard place, either to digest, accept and implement the order of 17 superior court judges and sack a few loyalists who are wanted by NAB enquiry or stall the matter, seek refuge under political dispensation and chalk out a settlement with its foes and get the gunners out of the ring, though a wishful thinking devoid of public sentiments.
Chief Justice is losing patience and role of military establishment will be very crucial who will ultimately decide in a situation where court orders are stalled by politicians putting institutions at risk of collapse. People have seen such situations in the past. Vibrant media and pro active judiciary with civil society and loaded lawyers are not going to allow a political slaughter of judiciary especially in a situation where army is stretched and wishes to wait and see from the back room. Public mood will be very important as to which way the tide turns. 18th amendment will give an opportunity of a necessary barter to those who have received a yellow card but still there is no concrete results in the offing and any once issue my act as a stumbling block in the talks and constitutional amendment remains a matter of academic exercise.
Judiciary however, has suffered due to lack of compliance on their orders and no apparent explanation and or reasons and if they remain patient and did not enquire sooner as to steps towards implementation then all orders will start meeting the same fate, non compliance by default.
If judicial decision are delayed in such a way that it frustrate the ultimate goal of justice than that ‘delay means defeating the justice’ and that what exactly is happening in Pakistan. Several petitions are coming before the top judges for action than sombre quietness but I must say that CJ must be mindful as those under his sword may like to offer a sacrifice to his political opponents to effect a settlement and in such a situation one judge may become a victim of circumstances and General Musharraf’s establishment will be very pleased if that stage arrives as they will kill two birds with one stone, revenge and retribution. Time is of the essence and smooth running of the institutions is dependent on fair and impartial judicial decisions, where government is accountable to parliament and good governance remains a hall mark of the executive which is so far missing in this equation.
Whether order of the court is implemented, or political settlement change the goal post before judges strike down the corrupt ministers with the ink of their pen will be seen in a few months but one thing is sure that spectacle will be interesting, and bloody. Stubbornness of some has brought the system to a near collapse and looking at public anger, frustration due to shortage of food, gas and electricity, I think govt is sitting on a pylon where there is a little margin of error between implementation of the order and erecting a timely political settlement through 18th amendment. Any indirect effort to oust the top judge out of the ring will meet with a bad luck and a price so do or die is a must spectacle.
Barrister Amjad Malik is a Chair Association of Pakistani Lawyers (United Kingdom)
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Dr khan
Good to know that you think differently.
At last you have reached to some conclusions.
Marriot bombing was not a secret but open farce or bloody joke made to people of Pakistan and with unlucky victims of blast.
You Know that day I was going towards Marriott roads just an hour before the blast.All roads were closed due to VIP movement.
That day COAS, joint chief of staff, PM along with 800 VIP guests were moving toward president house.
So MP , Capital and Punjab police all are only allowed marked vehicles on this road. Complete curfew like situation was seen there an hour before this attack.
My cousin was in main lobby of Marriott and she saw the Hashwani and his son were also there in last hour of ifftar.
She left hotel to go for nearby restaurant along with friends leaving her driver in parking lot.
When they were just an hallf mile away, blast was heard and they fall down on street due to high jerk produced by blast.they couldnt stand for half an hour from ground.
All Mobile phones were immediately jammed and we all thought that we had lost her in blast.
After an hours lines were made active and we contacted her , then we looked for her driver who was badly injured,her room with all belongings were burnttoo.
She witnessed that after 2 hrs proper fire trucks had come there.
You know two modern truck were standing in nearby President house but they didn't move an inch from there.
Our impotent President,PM, COAS and joint chief of staff were only busy on phone for getting informational only.
People in President house stopped their ifftar ceremony for a while and then took lavish dinner when people were burning like helpless souls just half a miles away from their dinner spot.
Go to Islamabad Blur area police station.Hashwani only had written FIR for taking its copy for insurance claim.
He never followed this that how this amount of loaded truck containing military explosive chemical reached to his gate away when not a single car was even being allowed there to go in that area.
This will help!
Another Lt-Gen gets extension Tuesday, March 02, 2010 By Umar Cheema http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id... Extensions do not need govt’s approval: Army ISPR clarifies only promotions require ratification
By Ahmad Noorani Sunday, February 21, 2010 http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=...
precisely...
thanks for draw my attention towards marriot hotel bombing.
the question was raised immediately after bombing.
i believe that marriot hotel bombing was one of the biggest secret of pakistan.God knows what was destroyed.
first the blue fire in the rooms of american and then bombing..
and the flaw in the task itself,destroying the whole hotel.which required almost 1000kG of RDX.the whole truck loaded with explosives.
Good to know that you think differently.
Dr khan
Read carefully my comments
I hardly used a mullah term in this process of collecting of weak personalities, brain washing and then use like arms of third world.
I just give him a place of Laboratory assistant in whole procedure.As a science student you know the real status of Lab assistant in experiment design.
I am very much clear that all science of terrorist bombing is not as simple as explain to us through ISPR or from spokesmen of govt.
I would further tell you.
-General Beig who killed on Mall road RWP was victim of target killing and through planted device.This was same device which was used at the time of Bhutto Ashura procession of Karachi, Peshawar and lahore market blast.
Aqeel ruby was behind this attack a man who was main attackers of GHQ was his ex nurse .He was fired and under investigation by Gen Beig on the serious charges of medicine purchase and supply to MH and CMH.
You again know it cant be one man job and many people are involved in such embezzlement.
-Lahore ISI attack and GHQ intrusion were job of inside men and for its probe 100s of suspicious ISI men are under investigation.
-Bhakar incident was planned by rivals of MPA or MNA who hired the services of abnormal man through his poor family who took 11 lakh for presenting their one abnormal soul as sacrificial goat for ending their hunger and deprivation.
-Marriot attack was done by huge amount of RDX more than 600 kg.
You know much better than me that RDX cant be exported on donkeys or in ordinary cartons and cant be smuggled in small packs like other explosives.
get the data of factories producing this strictly controlled military product .
The nearest factories are either in Russia or India at least 3000 to 5000 km away from Marriott.
The only source of Such high amount of RDX either can come from POF wah cantt or imported through air ways.
So don't worry I know the IQ level of these mullahs and runaway sinners hiding in tableghi jammat.They never think any thing scientific like that in their orthodox minds as their latest life after doing all kinds of sins in their peak ages are only revolving on verbal debate that what was actually done 1400 before.
like any liberal or moderate your fingers are pointing in only one direction. Giving me impression that suicide bombers are always pakhtoons of either side of border, brainwashed by "mullah" in order to help america and pak army.
The continuity of suicide bombing especially after the beging of drone attacks on pakistani soil tells us a different story.
My humble view is that many parties are taking part in it and this phenomenon is not as simple as black and white. There are gray areas in between which is untouchable for liberals and moderates.
1) As expected, i found "mullah" as a primary tool for preparation, planning, recruiting and executing the suicide bombing. What if there are other tools?
2) what are the purpose of the suicide bombing in pakistan? Does it meets any logical demand of war against infidels?
like we see the murder of Molana Sarfraz Naeemi by a suicide bomber? what about assasination of most eminent deo bandi ulema e deen?
why ulema e deen? why not big mouth,islamo phobic liberals? why masajid,why not the fashion shows and other social and digusting gatherings of these liberal bipeds? why policemen, why not blackwater in pakistan?
3) Do we have all necessary details of these suicide bombing? what if many are controlled device bombings carried out by some one (alleged suicide bomber) without his knowledge?
4) what about the incidents of assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Ashoura day bombing in December last year? were those really a suicide bombings?
5) look around and tell me how many "mullas" do you see who are in favor of suicide bombing? i searched many years to trace out the "germs" of extremism in "mullah" community and what i found will be unbelievable and disappointing forthe liberals like you. my question is why such stereotype is attached with "mullah" while great majority of mullah is more peace loving and God fearing. It is the same mind set which says that every liberal and pseudo-muslim is drinker and fornicator. Can you point out a single madrissa in your city where students are being given the combat training?
6) what about the factor of revange rather than islam? tribal belt’s pashtoons are notorious for their revenge? Don't you think that the purely human rage over the cold blooded messacre of innocent people, could trigger series of actions which end in a suicide bombing?
7) what about looking the big picture. Do you have an ability to go up and away and look again leaving all your islamophobia or "mullahphobia" aside for few moments and analyze again? Repeating the same kinds of allegations like a “rattoo tota”
This picture is not black & white but a “Technicolor”.
i suggest you to free your mind from all kinds of presumptions and think again.otherwise you shall remain searching a suicide bomber in tablighi jamat.
Yes dr khan
I am trying to get the data and life history of these human bombs blasted on our streets.So in short way it is explained under
-Chakwal bomber was from Afghani descend and he was living there for last 4 years in a brick kiln of chakwal.The family life standard was below the poverty line.
That boy has started visiting this mosque regularly just 2 months before he exploded himself there.His family was moved a week before from their mud house and nobody still know their whereabouts.
POF bomber belong to outskirts of Peshawar and was regular visitor of that factory as daily wagers .He knew all the area very well and people whom he killed.
It was not surprise that he didn't select officers block comprising mostly of corrupt and rude military officers but blasted on workers who were coming out in cycles or company transport.
I think two examples are enough for you to ponder .
The phenomena of transforming the normal human into bomb is quite different in Pakistan than other areas like Palestinian and Tamil tigers.
In mentioned area other than Pakistan the revenge of state and its leadership due to not getting respectable way of living is main reason of such hatred act.
In Pakistan young deserted kids having submissive personalities are collected and gathered in specific hideouts.They are brain washed, sodomized and even drugged through human controller, who throughout control them till their end use.
We only see such breed in specific are of Pakistan toward our Afghanistan border.
No way state brutality or oppression of cruel characters ever generated such effects on our suppressed slave like class who are generation wise living like slum dogs in domain of strongest feudal characters located in Sindh, southern Punjab and stone age culture of Baluchistan.
So basically Afghans were selected for this assigned target from the camps found in suburbs of Pakistani northern cities.Then our over population class of Puktoons were picked where all family planning procedures were criticized by typical outrageous mullahs of local area.The Govt fully ignored them in their religious misconception trends which they successfully transformed to poor and deprived class.
Again this is joint venture of our America and army in our soil and mullahs are their laboratory assistant in this project.
@nazia!!!
Did you ever try to understand the aims, reasons which makes some one to sacrifice his life,mentality and psychology of suicide bombers, especially the results results of suicide bombing and most importantly the suicide bombing as a most important weapon of American empire in acieving their goals.
do not forget the famous quote of Noam chomsky that "terrorism is a weapon of weak but often used by powerful"
"Islam spread through liberalism and peace of mind"
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who tells you things like that :)
"Nobody is impressed by show of power of arms"
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then what about nightmare story.
Dr khan
you have curiosity about my findings??
who tells you things like that :)
Not remembering well but it is sure, it is not you and your enlightened vision .confirmed
then what about nightmare story.
Where is nightmare story in this tiny comment?
For your special consideration the written lines of mine are modifying like that
Rigid,unsocial and unpredictable behavior always ceases the propagation of faith and friendship ties in probable cordial environment.
Suicidal terrorism is product of such behaviors which feel very comfortable to explode themselves among those soft targets who have actually no contribution in creating deficiencies of their conscious.
Mughal
It is practically observed too.
if you go to any museum in non Muslim countries and go for Muslim specified areas first thing you will find about Muslims are from Iranian side and its late Persian culture and historical facts.Then the next Muslim icon known in non Muslims areas is the legendary character of Sultan Slah din ayubi, his items and his acts of bravery written on their walls.
In Louvre I just found some old pots discovered from Saudia Arabia and some papers written in Holy Prophet time as Symbols of one of largest nation of the world.
So it is very important how you present your faith in outer world.Rigid behavior always ceases the propagation of faith to successfully penetrate in non Muslim areas.
Watch Reza Shah's rare interview wherein he blamed Jewish Lobby [at the end of link a very rare video of Reza Shah] http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/hillary-c...
Mughal
When relaxed monarch rulers lost trust on people, surrounded themselves in corrupt leadership and try to enhance their tenure through illegitimate and unjustified priorities then we see disturbances appeared in public profiles.
It was very common by losers to put blame of their downfall on those who are considered as hatred community in ruling domain.
Why RAZA had given this revelation in rare interview.
If he sensed something wrong why he was unable to convey this message to his people or unsuccessful to win the heart of people.
EU also got rid of monarch sytle and accepted that inhumane attitude of rulers was the root cause of failure of this system.
After getting rid of it they all opted the ways to achieve the targets of human development and national goals.
They would have also been supported by foreign hands in this run table games but actual force of cohesion always appeared from the nucleus of state which are people of that country.
So why in Muslims countries that trend is solely linked(mostly revealed by its failed leadership) with interests of US, mosad and India only.
Nazia says: February 28, 2010 at 11:49 pm Khomeini like scholars only find hints from history pages or from prevailing conditions to further ignite the already charred mood of public. Iranian mullahs are better than other who at least stick to their basic faith and only focus to their national and religious interest.
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No doubt about it. Iranians have always been proud of their Heritage and Racial Supremacy and that is evident from the Persian Poetry and Literature.
And also don't forget that these Iranian Mullahs were first supported by US CIA during Mossadeq era and in those days Khomeini was very young. Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part III http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-is... Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part I http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-is... Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright and CIA Operation Ajax in Iran http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/hillary-c...
Nazia says: = February 28, 2010 at 12:51 pm Mughal you are again taking me on historical conflicts which have already divided Muslims into many factions. If khomeini and Madoodi have different historical versions then there are lot of other historian who can counter their facts in more blunt way.
So how long and up to what extent we live like slaves of past differences
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Dear Ms. Nazia
If these Mullahs talk of Islam then they should first achieve consensus on the Definition of Islam and after only then they should talk about "Spreading Islam".
Mughal
Mullah cant do this act of consensus that is why they are called mullah.
Islam spread through liberalism and peace of mind.
Nobody is impressed by show of power of arms.
Extreme brutality and injustice on large masses from senseless rulers always turn to bloody revolution .
Khomeini like scholars only find hints from history pages or from prevailing conditions to further ignite the already charred mood of public.
After seeing our fanatic breed in the form of JIs, JUI and now talibans, I think these Iranian mullahs are better than other who at least stick to their basic faith and only focus to their national and religious interest
Nazia (MS Know-it-all), go read history. When Muslim armies were winning battles one after another, the crusaders used to impersonate Muslims, they would dress like Muslims, learn and write poetry in Arabic.
So don't bullshit that arms and strength do not impress.
May be you should open your own Khanqah as you are ignorant and arrogant enough to seek blind followers.
Nazia says: February 28, 2010 at 1:10 pm Mughal Dr AQ khan is a declared corrupt man who misused his authority, implicated in illegal deals for his personal interests.
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Agreed but he was not alone Aslam Beg, Karamat and Musharraf were hands in glove in all the mess.
oh yes! this is my way of thinking i won't deny it. this is what i am , a religious fanatic.and i am still the same with no change what so ever.
but my dear...
what happened to you? why you developed a hatered for those who believe in visiting shrine,nazar, niyaz and building more shrines.don't you think that people have a right to do whatever pleases them?
don't you think that demolishing the shrines is an attack on the religious freedom of the people? say you believe on religious freedom of people of pakistan.
say that you are not a religious fanatic like me...
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Shrine, Nazar, Niaz [Special Offering] and Tombs on Shrines are Bida'at [Innovations] and lead to Shirk [Polytheism] and Allah says.
إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَلِكَ لِمَن يَشَاء وَمَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ افْتَرَى إِثْمًا عَظِيمًا
Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 48]
I didn't say that common people pick up the instrument and demolish Shrines [that's State's job] and I also didn't say that common people should start attacking those who are indulged in these "Harmful Vices".
dr jawwad khan says: February 28, 2010 at 10:37 am don’t you think that people have a right to do whatever pleases them? an attack on the religious freedom of the people? you are not a religious fanatic like me
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Of course people have every right to do whatever!
A Glimpse Violence mars Milad celebrations in two cities
By M. Irfan Mughal and Mohammad Saleem Monday, 01 Mar, 2010
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/romantici...
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oh btw i never knew that one can work so hard on a crap especially on molana syed Abul Ala Modudi.
Read your comment in the light of your own comment
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dr jawwad khan says: February 28, 2010 at 2:08 am oh btw i never knew that one can work so hard on a crap especially on molana syed Abul Ala Modudi.
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dr jawwad khan says: February 28, 2010 at 2:06 am don’t you think that she is right. i mean why don’t you let people what pleases them? aren’t you imposing your brand of islam on others? being a biggest supporter of indvidual rights don’t you think that you are meddling in others religious beliefs?.
How it can shake the the strong pillars of Islam if somebody is interested in building shrines or bulldozing it for soothing his disrupt and disturb heart???
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don't you think that she is right. i mean why don't you let people what pleases them?
aren't you imposing your brand of islam on others?
being a biggest supporter of indvidual rights don't you think that you are meddling in others religious beliefs?.
What happened to your comment "Islam is a name of Forcing" you own comment on Blasphemy Thread on this very forum.
dr jawwad khan says: February 28, 2010 at 2:06 am. i mean why don’t you let people what pleases them? aren’t you imposing your brand of islam on others? being a biggest supporter of indvidual rights don’t you think that you are meddling in others religious beliefs?.
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Dear Jawwad Sahab
Why didn't you give the same "Religious Freedom to Ghamdi and Khalid Zaheer" because as per your own comment in a Thread The Blasphemy Law: An Objective Assessment from Religious, Legal & Social Perspectives Posted by Teeth MaestroOctober 20, 2009
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dr jawwad khan says: October 25, 2009 at 12:51 am @dr.awab alvi! some time i feel sorry for the teethmaestro.many of the threads were spoiled because of my attitude of polemicising.but this time i can’t help it. kindly try to understand the agenda of guys like javed ghamidi and dr.khalid zaheer. i wish if PR could keep itself away from these guys. its just a wish nothing more. just look at the agenda.any one can easily recognize,whose agenda is this….and these guys have full support of pakistani establishment(most probably american establishment too),pakistani electronic media and all the promotion , support and fascilities. it seems like a most powerful and destructive bomb is ready to be detonated. dr jawwad khan says: October 29, 2009 at 4:27 am @lord of lassan! i am collecting something authentic from ahadith e mubarika for the perverts,freedom of epression type assholes and deviants who don’t feel even slightest irritation on the blasphemy of Nabi e kareem(saw).
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dr jawwad khan says: February 28, 2010 at 2:06 am don’t you think that she is right. i mean why don’t you let people what pleases them? aren’t you imposing your brand of islam on others?
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In Faisalabad, four people were injured when a group of people believed to be hiding in Gol Mosque opened fire on an Eid Miladun Nabi (PBUH) procession in Ghulam Mohammadabad locality of the city. Violence mars Milad celebrations in two cities By M. Irfan Mughal and Mohammad Saleem Monday, 01 Mar, 2010 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...
Milad processions also attacked in Faisalabad, Sargodha Seven killed in DI Khan violence Monday, March 01, 2010
Over 130 held in DIK, Faisalabad swoop; curfew imposed, lifted in DIK; four hurt, 100 vehicles torched, police record burnt in Faisalabad; over 12 injured in Sargodha attack By our correspondent http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id...
How it can shake the the strong pillars of Islam if somebody is interested in building shrines or bulldozing it for soothing his disrupt and disturb heart???
Spiritual matters are linked between man and God and other like you and me , shouldn't interfere in anybody's internal faith which is usually linked with his/her childhood affiliation or acquire through knowledge.
I am talking about their professional discrepancies. which are even recorded in international crimes
Same Dr. Strangelove talks about Monotheism [Tawheed] when he Lectures Pakistanis about Idol Worshiping Hindus.
Mughal
Dr AQ khan is a declared corrupt man who misused his authority, implicated in illegal deals for his personal interests.
If he dealt in ordinary machines then I think it was not heinous crime but he along with some Generals just for earning huge money ,distributed dangerous technology and weapons to dangerous people who can all time use it against humanity for showing their strength to enemy.
Iranian cut throats are exaggerated by US media b.On the other side they fully ignore the attitude of their pets a Saudi govt which they do it as normal procedure of justice to poor people who are caught red handed in Saudia in drug supply.
Do you think it is more worst than Swat once a model piece of of peace land where such breed was groomed under your tableeghee leadership.
Let me give a glimpse of Iran Romanticising Khomeini.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/romantici...
Mughal
you are again taking me on historical conflicts which have already divided Muslims into many factions.
If khomeini and Madoodi have different historical versions then there are lot of other historian who can counter their facts in more blunt way.
So how long and up to what extent we live like slaves of past differences and nothing think of tending toward docile solution of our agitated problems.
Khominee had brought revolution through public force against a strong monarchy and simply transferred it into hands of public of same ideology.As both are powerful rivals so bloodshed was obvious and we saw many inhumane scene in this transforamtion process.
He never confined his faith towards his family or top seat to his family tree as we are seeing in other Muslim state.
I am talking about the political structure, their independent judiciary and effectiveness of supreme council as per their prescribed agenda.
The city and village councils are working on specific national goals under teaching of pure shite leadership and they are stick to it from their grass root level.They form the decision making and administrating organs of the state together with the parliament of the Iran, Majlis.
Feudalism and one man show culture have been eradicated in Iran which is still dominant in many influential Muslim states.
Turkey is also representing good combination of secular and Muslim cultures but here colors of Europe is more dominant which is not seen in Iran.
My point of praising the Iran doesn't show my trend toward particular shite teachings but in this anarchy like situation of Muslim world, I consider that Iran is responding much to outer world as a sovereign and liberal Muslim state than others which is just relying on interanl resources and national interest for its polciy making.
Mughal
you said
If Muslim Societies are not following the Islamic Principle then how can it be called Fault of Islam.
It is not fault of Islam but it has raised many questions that why we Muslims are unable to transfer this message with practical demonstration into large community of the world.
You could nt tell me but I am quite confident that Iran is among the top in shaky Muslim world which is maximum following the Islamic principles in political, judical and social setup.
The orthodox attitude of rulers and its out of way messing with US on nuclear issue is giving them resistance to grow like more stronger Muslim nation as their ego issues are creating serious economic threshold in majority population of Iran.
Here Monarch Muslim countries are playing their rule by funding in Pakistan for creating extremity in frustrated youth through path of wahabism.
Your buddy General Javaid was part of this deadly game which we all are now reaping in form of acute terrorism in front of our door step.
Just for refreshing your mind read under links that how much obstinate attitude these characters have even violating international laws by wearing Pak uniform.
I consider him same like character as we have Dr Qadeer khan.
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20030112.htm
The above given facts are available on different sources too.
His real activities were covered under this report
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=stor...
This hero of tableghee jammat was top haters of India and Indians but love to share grieves of Sikhs living in Punjab.
http://www.khalistan-affairs.org/Main/K_Calling.
/kc04262001.htm
I think no body told him that Dalits were more victimized class so he might supplied them modern weapons to them as he did to Bosnian muslim.
No about JJ.As an ex Lahori student I know how much colorful youth he passed among thousand of his female admirers.After seeing his inclination in extra ordinary activities his family arrange his marriage at early age to his cousin.His first 10 year married life was disaster due to continuation of his extra martial activities.His wife had two times nervous breakdown just for his colorful life styles which is no way acceptable, to modest wives.
So I think after seeing his growing sons up to his height
he took such religious camouflage as common practice in our hypocrite society so that no way he can be questioned by his own sons/blood relations which I think is unbearable for any father.
Sorry
One of link is not responding properly so for reviewing the acts of our tableghee hero we can read this
http://www.sikhtimes.com/news_060705a.html
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010417/main2.ht...
that Iran is among the top in shaky Muslim world which is maximum following the Islamic principles in political, judical and social setup. [Nazia]
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Iranian Cutthroats are the worst.
I consider him same like character as we have Dr Qadeer khan. [Nazia]
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If A Q Khan talks of Islam and quotes Quran then A Q Khan shouldn’t have rebuilt Shahabuddin Ghauri -شہاب الدین’s Shrine because it is forbidden in Islam to build anything on Grave [Quran and Hadith]. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqKNXoKL-gY
POWER SHORTAGE IN PAKISTAN???
I thought we were short of Electricity. Then how come we afford to turn huge buildings into lighting festival?
Who is paying for this?
Or the gangster of Sunni Tehrik, stealing electricity in the name of Love of Muhammad(S.A.W.W)?
But who can talk against it?
Mughal
Kindly review your most of comments and it is highly placed in the category of Hypothesis.
I would tell you that why you are unable to tell me name of any society which is following the basic principles of Islam.
Just because we or scholars like you have taken Islam as historical legend which can be placed/preserved in any museum but no way can be seen in our daily acts.
The influential and rich Muslims make it as sacred book which should be protected like a treasures but no way its teachings are being reflected through their acts.
For safeguarding it as only book and proving supremacy of our faith on others we have made blasphemies laws to suppress minorities and lower class through this religious.
These are the basic reasons you cant be able to give me an example of real Islamic society under Islamic leadership.
You say that religious procession is a Biddat act in Islam and you simply take it out in Islam.
From my point of view such procession if taken in friendly and true religious spirit can be best presentation of
cordial Muslim gatherings of community where people can know how should they move together in relgious occasions.Again custodian of regions affairs have turned such events toward show of power of safeguarding a particular faith.
Shia (with lot of apology) people made so much hue and cry , beating upto level of infliction and self torture for creating the scenes of enemies of Islam, showing that their lif is not coming out of tragedy which was done 1400 years back.
No come to sunni group, instead of improving the civic conditions of their all time dirty streets which has more fabulous effects of presenting Islamic culture, they spent valuable money to make this particular event as show of their strength.
So the actual spirit of unity and brotherhood is clearly diminished in such cordoned gatherings.
So you see we are badly in need of healthy innovations in coming days to prove that Quran and Hadiath are real life and no way is placed in a field of hypothetical science for under study only.
You didnt tell me whom I should select among gen javaid, JJ and top cricketers for showing you their unprofessional and unethical attitude being a representative of tableghi jammat.
Now about NRO and stand of judiciary against it.
One thing we all know that nobody is MR clean in our eroded system. so all would blacken their hand in this coal business even those who want to clean it.
Rauf is an independent and daring spoken journalist and no one can challenge his point of view.but you are overlooking again and again that NRO no way was designed for judiciary or in public and national interests but to only to give benefit a a dictator, US agenda and some most corrupt icons of politics for some design jobs.
Now if Govt or army wants to throw mud on others while standing in muddy water of illegalities than what can other say to them.
It is just like that I get money from illegal ways , give you dinners and gifts or charity to someone really deserving from small amount of that easy money and in bad times of accountability I prove that you and those poor are my accomplice too.
If Muslim Societies are not following the Islamic Principle then how can it be called Fault of Islam. By the way I am not an Scholar, just an student trying to learn. If Blasphemy Law or any other Law is misused then again "Fault is of Authorities" not in the Law. Religious Processions is Bid'at Innovation and it is not my opinion but extracted from Quran and Hadith. Innovation in Islam means innovation in Belief and Religious Text/Rituals, innovations doesn't mean adopting technology.
My firm belief is "if we go through the Moral Teaching in Quran and Hadith" and try to spread the teaching "peacefully" in Society then our society would be excellent. Islam was presented/projected by some section as a Religion of Punishment and Bloodletting [it is not] and these sections never paid attention to the "Huge Treasure of Morals/Etiquette Teaching in Hadith" and even if we adopt a very minute part of these Moral Teachings then Muslims Societies would be in far better shape.
Javed Nasir-JJ-Pakistani Cricket Team AND TABLEEGHI JAMAT. [NAZIA]
If someone commits Shirk [Polytheism] after becoming a Muslim then that person is responsible not the Islamic Scripture/Teaching.
Mughal
I am still unable to understand you real point of view in deluge of links but what I understand is that you have lot of apprehensions about judiciary and you are not in mood of giving them any kind of benefit of doubt.
First you give the reference of this link.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487040...
In first impression I found lot of technical missing points in this report which you over looked.Kindly go through its comments section and you would get my reply in same manner.
In second link it was taunt on Govt people by Rauf for protecting NRO in obnoxious way along with some harassing tone to CJP while standing in the court.
So I think you again review your link and try to compose your personal point of view.
I am not law except but one thing I am seeing that now CJP has got his team and now gaining pace to prove his credibility which he claims as mission of his life.So just wait and see how he could turn the table of strong mafia in ruling class.
Human acts cant produce miracles in state of devils but if it might be able to create stir in devil's den . have some courage to praise who are trying to produce this stir and jolts.
You say
all kinds of such Processions are Bida’at [Innovation] and have no place in Islam.
Where you live??
Since the start of moharamm such processions start on our untidy, dark and dirty and now terror filled streets.
WE the unlucky citizens of Pakistan are all time trapped on roads for hours just for giving way to such religious long march along with VIP security routes.
So please kindly confirm to which section of Islam it has no place .
These high tides of religious affiliations in the form of religious walk or in grouping in tablaghi jaammat are contributing nothing to recuperate a distorted nation but actually further dividing the people living on same pieces of land on the basis of newly developed faith.
Nazia says: February 26, 2010 at 8:23 pm Mughal For God sake where that islamic society exists.
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Islamic Holy Text is not responsible for Rowdy Muslim Behaviour.
Nazia says: February 26, 2010 at 10:51 pm Mughal I am still unable to understand you real point of view in deluge of links but what I understand is that you have lot of apprehensions about judiciary and you are not in mood of giving them any kind of benefit of doubt.
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Yes you are right because the same Judiciary [present CJ and several "Snow White Judges" sitting in SC were the one who supported Martial Law and violated article 6 of 1973 Constitution by giving free hand to Musharraf not once but twice therefore talking about Rule of Law doesn't suit them they should also be tried fro Treason.
NAZIA: In second link it was taunt on Govt people by Rauf for protecting NRO in obnoxious way along with some harassing tone to CJP while standing in the court.
When Rauf's reports against PPP are quoted as cardinal truth then why it is so wrong when he says that it is the NRO Parliament which restored the Judiciary [he is telling the fact rather recent events]
NAZIA: So just wait and see how he could turn the table of strong mafia in ruling class.
Do read in recent columns the relations of several Judges with the same Ruling Class.
NAZIA: You say all kinds of such Processions are Bida’at [Innovation] and have no place in Islam. Where you live??
Since the start of moharamm such processions start on our untidy, dark and dirty and now terror filled streets.
I am talking about every kind of Religious Procession as Bida'at [innovations] and Muharram is included.
NAZIA: So please kindly confirm to which section of Islam it has no place.
Simple Text of Quran and Hadith.
Nazia says: February 26, 2010 at 10:46 am – So CJP is just trying as per his range to draw in the poisonous side effects of this Order. Zardari was actually basic source of all evils
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Judicial Coup in Pakistan - Once a democratic champion, the Chief Justice now undermines the elected government. by DAVID B. RIVKIN JR. AND LEE A. CASEY FEBRUARY 23, 2010, 7:51 P.M. ET
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487040...
Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry, the country's erstwhile hero, is the leading culprit in an unfolding constitutional drama. It was Mr. Chaudhry's dismissal by then-President Pervez Musharraf in 2007 that triggered street protests by lawyers and judges under the twin banners of democracy and judicial independence. This effort eventually led to Mr. Musharraf's resignation in 2008. Yet it is now Mr. Chaudhry himself who is violating those principles, having evidently embarked on a campaign to undermine and perhaps even oust President Asif Ali Zardari.
Any involvement in politics by a sitting judge, not to mention a chief justice, is utterly inconsistent with an independent judiciary's proper role. What is even worse, Chief Justice Chaudhry has been using the court to advance his anti-Zardari campaign. Two recent court actions are emblematic of this effort.
A request to their lordships of the Supreme Court who just recently humbled an elected govt. The ISPR announced that whilst promotions of generals are to be ratified by the govt, it is the army chief’s prerogative to give extensions to whichever general he wills. Suo motu notice, my lords? - File photo - As an aside, a request to their lordships of the Supreme Court who have just recently humbled an elected government all ends up. The ISPR has announced that whilst promotions of generals are to be ratified by the government, it is the army chief’s very own prerogative to give extensions to whichever general he wills. Suo motu notice, my lords? For, after all, all the organs of state are to remain within their own constitutional limits. Good news, bad news BY Kamran Shafi Tuesday, 23 Feb, 2010 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...
Nazia says: February 26, 2010 at 10:46 am - So CJP is just trying as per his range to draw in the poisonous side effects of this Order. Zardari was actually basic source of all evils
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Dear Ms Nazia,
You are partially wrong. Judges indirectly benefited from NRO: govt Thursday, February 25, 2010 http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id...
Reminds Supreme Court of Madina Charter as greatest precedent of reconciliation By Rauf Klasra FRONT PAGE OF DAILY JANG DATED Thursday, February 25, 2010, Rabi-ul-Awwal 10, 1431 A.H
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/feb2010-daily/25-02-20...
Nazia says: February 26, 2010 at 5:15 pm Mughal you are agreeing me on Gen mahmood because he is known to both of us.If you know any other public figure who is contributing in such tableeghi circles then bring him/her name and I would try to research on him that why he adopted such imaginary and unpractical life which he/she never adopts in real life.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Names are General [R] Javed Nasir, Junaid Jamshed and Pakistani Cricket Team. By the way if Tableeghi Jamat just remove 20 False Narration [direct in clash with Quran and Verified Authentic Hadith related with Shirk/Polytheism/Knowledge of Unseen] from their book "Fazail-e-Aamal" they would be the most wonderful preaching organization in the whole world, why because "Tableeghi Jamat" people are gifted with very Decent manners and they tolerate worse critique with smile. It is not their fault if Third Rate Show Offs have joined them.
Nazia: I give you another hint that cleanliness is half of our faith.Do you agree with me??
More than agreed.
Nazia: then find this half and straight way toward islamic faith is lacking in all such congregations,near mosques and highly concentrated Muslim streets in Muslim countries.
Again it's not Islam's Fault but Social Fault of Muslim Societies.
NAZIA: If you are living in Paksitan then these days Eid milad un Nabi festival is going on in all cities of Pakistan.
Let me be very clear all kinds of such Processions are Bida'at [Innovation] and have no place in Islam.
The faults which you have been narrating above are the faults of Society and General Muslim Behaviour and Islam is not responsible for any of it.
Mughal
For God sake where that islamic society exists which is preached in thousands of religious meetings.
Where are allowed islamic conducts in common Muslims that reflect teaching of real Islam?
Why Muslims are among ht communities whose teachings doesn't match to actual life of common people living in Muslim countries.
In the houses of rich or criminal people who are influencing weak Muslims through their money and arm power?
Your life is suspended to Islamic theory only or acts of long past which have lost its credibility as we are unable to present it as real life of Muslims.
That is good you mention the name of followers of tableeghi jammat like gen javaid, JJ and few cricketers.
Whom I should start their list of crimes against ethics and humanity for safeguarding their blind faith and then imposing on others.
I dont want to hear that please don't tell me I know all like that.
For summarizing all one thing is common
NOWW SOW CHOUY KA KAR BILLY OR BILLA HAJ TO CHALLA.
You again proved my points by givin name of such people who after doing lots of crimes and sins in their peak time of productivity, then opt for religious hideouts in their last age to soothe their pinching guilt.
@nazia!!!
it is not acute acidity.its a psychological illness known as "BLOGGING ABSURDITY DISORDER" .it can effect any reader in the blog who reads an essay about "terrorism of tablighi jamat"
kahan say aatay yeh nadir o nayab khayalat aapkay zehen men.
lolzzzz.hahahahahahahahah
Dr khan
Why you developed a psychological illness known as “BLOGGING ABSURDITY DISORDER” ?
This is my personal and private point of view and no way imposing you.
I am telling this through my personal experience of handling such class coming out to transform us more Muslim than before.
First one should manage his /her disorders of life and responsibilities by following simple principles of Islam and then try to lead the weak masses.
Yeh nadir khaliat meray god gifted zehn may aitay hain
which is free of human terror.
So enjoy it and don't take it seriously as your health should be your priority which would be deteriorated by cursing others for no reason.
No doctor you need long term treatment of mucciane and zantac for acute acidity and continuous heartburn for eating raw green chillies all the time!!!
What kind of doctor are you?
You still need guidance from desi doctor like me??
Dr khan
Good to know that you think differently.
At last you have reached to some conclusions.
Marriot bombing was not a secret but open farce or bloody joke made to people of Pakistan and with unlucky victims of blast.
You Know that day I was going towards Marriott roads just an hour before the blast.All roads were closed due to VIP movement.
That day COAS, joint chief of staff, PM along with 800 VIP guests were moving toward president house.
So MP , Capital and Punjab police all are only allowed marked vehicles on this road. Complete curfew like situation was seen there an hour before this attack.
My cousin was in main lobby of Marriott and she saw the Hashwani and his son were also there in last hour of ifftar.
She left hotel to go for nearby restaurant along with friends leaving her driver in parking lot.
When they were just an half mile away, blast was heard and they fall down on street due to high jerk produced by blast.they couldnt stand for half an hour from ground.
All Mobile phones were immediately jammed and we all thought that we had lost her in blast.
After an hours lines were made active and we contacted her , then we looked for her driver who was badly injured,her room with all belongings were burnttoo.
She witnessed that after 2 hrs proper fire trucks had come there.
You know two modern fire truck were standing in nearby President house but they didn't move an inch from there.
Our impotent President,PM, COAS and joint chief of staff were only busy on phone for getting informational only.
People in President house stopped their ifftar ceremony for a while and then took lavish dinner when people were burning like helpless souls just half a miles away from their dinner spot.
Go to Islamabad Blur area police station.Hashwani only had written FIR for taking its copy for insurance claim.
He never followed this that how this amount of loaded truck containing military explosive chemical reached to his gate away when not a single car was even being allowed there to go in that area.
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