Dictators and their Sons

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Victimization of Pakistan and Pakistan Army by Dictators.

Usually army personnel’s of any country are considered as the most devoted and trustworthy personnel of any Nation, as they have sworned for sacrificing their lives for their nation, their fore every one considered them highly selfless, as every thing will be safe and fair in their hands, in each and every condition, but in case of Pakistan the situation was reversed of this phenomena from the beginning of the Pakistan, Therefore it is necessary to analyze this situation so that to avoid any further damage to Pakistan.

Disobedience to Quaid-e-Azam.
When father of nation Quaid-e- Azam, in view of aggression of India in Kashmir, ordered that time Chief of Army, General David Douglas Gracey to counter that aggression, instead of following that order he replied that he will talk to Supreme Commander for this pupose, and avoided to counter the Indian Aggression, due to which Innocent people of Kashmir have to suffer a lot of, which they are suffering till today.

Death Penalty to Moulana. Moududi:-
Mr.Moududi, a religious scholar and Leader of Jammat-e-Islami was awarded death penalty by a military court, which clearly indicates that how much care and sensitivity to emotions of society these army Generals have.
Era of Ayoub.
Martial Law of 1958.
By implementing Martial Law in 1958,by Generals, Dreams of Muslims of subcontinent were buried under their boots, and irreparable loss to this nation occurred by those power lusty Generals, The Details of which are as follows.

Loss of status of a Democratic state.
Due to Implementation of Martial Law, Democratic rights of nation were lost, and Pakistan lost the status of a democratic nation, a right and status on the basis and principles of which Pakistan was created

Loss of status of a Nonaligned Nation.
Due to Military Generals and their lust for Military Packts, Pakistan was gone completely in USA camp, against Soviet Union, while in fact there was no conflict between Pakistan and Soviet Union, and Soviet Union was our neighboring country and was having Huge Muslims populations in its Central Asian states, it was very convenient by using these factors for developing strong and durable friendship with soviet Union, as that of China we have developed. Due to wrong policies of Military Generals, Soviet Union became enemy of Pakistan, and which later on proved very fatal.

Damage to Unity of Pakistan.
As per constitution of 1956, it was decided that each Province will be represented either by Prime Minister or President of the country. But General Ayoub violated this principle and ruled the country as a dictator for about 10 years, this created sense of deprivation in East Pakistan, for which 100 % Military Generals were responsible.

Advantages to India:
Military Dictator Ship in Pakistan and due to loss of status of a democratic state, these things were very favorable for India for damaging the Interest of subcontinent Muslims and Pakistan, and full advantage was taken by India of the foolish acts of Pakistani Generals.

• Being itself under Military Dictatorship, Pakistan demand for right of self determination for Kashmir was weakened.
• Although, Military Dictatorship in Pakistan was highly beneficial for India, India superficially showed as India is against dictatorship, to give impression to patriotic Pakistanis as Military Dictators were highly beneficial for Pakistan.
• By developing bad relationship with Pakistan, India kept at a distance its Muslims Population from developing any people to people contacts with Pakistan.
• By developing good relationship with Russia, India forced Afghanistan not to develop close relationship with Pakistan.
• India used Hindu minority and ethnocentric Bengalese of East Pakistan as their lever, for making propaganda for Bengali Language and Economic and Political Exploitation of Bengalese by West Pakistani Generals.
For promoting Indian agenda on above mentioned points, Foolish Generals of Pakistan Army in fact helped India in its conspiracy to divide Muslims of subcontinent and to harm Pakistan as much as possible.

War of 1965.
Due to Military Dictator ship, India instead of giving right of self determination to People of Kashmir, selected to take the advantage of non democratic government in Pakistan, therefore tried to use military force to solve that problem for ever, although desire of Kashmiri and Pakistani nation to liberate the Kashmir was very high, but due to military dictatorship in the country it was impossible for Pakistan to gain any thing by that conflict.
India was a six times larger country than Pakistan, due to being only single huge nation for Hindues,it was quite clear that its Hindu population will be highly motivated and devoted for the defense and interest of India, therefore in such situation it was completely out of question to liberate Kashmir with any military operation, therefore decision of liberation of Kashmir by war in 1965 was completely against the wisdom and knowledge of warfare, by that war Pakistan economy was seriously damaged and useless loss of army personnel’s and equipments was occurred .

Incapability of Dictators.
In 1965 war when with the sacrifices of Pakistani soldiers Indian defense line was totally broken, and Kashmir valley was laying in front of Pakistani army, Dictators again failed to show their competitiveness and confidence and instead of moving forward they stopped the army forward movement. Which resulted in the wastage of sacrifices of soldiers and Pakistani nation.

Transfer of Power 1968.
General Ayoub instead of handing over power to Speaker of National Assembly handed over power to another General by this he showed no respect for his oath for sacrificing his life for nation, as a compromise for his life he surrendered to other Generals.

Era of Yahya Khan.
Dictator Yahya Khan was well known as a loose character man, his era is full of highest victimization of Pakistani nation and Army, it is sometimes thought that government of Pakistan was handed over to this man just to penalize to Pakistani nation by Dictator Ayoub, Because it is completely unpredictable that how this man was able to become the president of an Islamic nation, this is a mystery till today. Some blunders of Yahya Khan are as follows,

Constitution Assembly Elections 1970:-
In the presence of 1956 and 1962 constitutions and against the advice of intellectuals of the nation that it will be very difficult to develop a new constitution for the country, elections were hold by this dictator for new constitution which led the country to an unprecedented crisis.

Inability to handle the crisis after elections:
After elections politicians of the country failed to reach on any consensus on new constitution as forecasted already by the intellectuals, Dictator Yahya Khan instead of persuading them to reach on some type of consensus, tried to use the policy of divide and rule for the perpetuation of his own rule and for this he had to find some reasons for which he had not to wait so long.

Incapability of understanding to Enemy.
• Dictator Yahya totally failed to understand the policy of India based on from first day of creation of Pakistan that how to create disunity among Muslims.
• On the basis of this policy
• India kept Indian Muslims at a distance from Pakistan by treating Pakistan as an enemy country.
• India created bad relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
• India created bad relations between Pakistan and Soviet Union so that Pakistan could not develop again their historical relations with central Asians Muslims.

In 1970 elections Indian RAW was main instrument, which was mainly responsible for cultivation of hatred between West and East Pakistan, But Dictator Yahya failed to comprehend this policy of India.
Indian Tactics:
In the final stages of Indian policy to create disunity among Muslims, India used its agents for irritating Dictator Yahya and Government of Pakistan, so that in response to such irritation ,Dictator like Yahya will do some highly irresponsible and uncharacteristic acts such as military actions or any other sever reaction ,which will be very fruitful for Indian design.

To irritate Dictator Yahya following acts were done by Indians agents in East Pakistan.
• Burning of Pakistan Flags.
• Burning of Quaid-e-Azam Effigy.
• Killing of Urdu Speaking Muslim refugees from India.
• Killing of soldiers and investors of West Pakistan.
• Refusal to accept the writ of Federal Government.
All these acts were being done by Indians agents to deteriorate the situation more and more, it was the responsibility of Yahya to understand the tactics of India, as the Main representative of East Pakistan Mr. Sheikh Mujib Rehman also showed his disgust about such irritating acts. But instead of taking the help of Mr. Mujib, Dictator Yahya did the uncharacteristic act of Military Action, and by a military court Death Penalty was awarded to Mr. Mujib. Which was in fact the ultimate desire of India for creating the opportunity of century for damaging the interests of Muslims of subcontinent.

Failure of Yahya as a competent General.
It was the responsibility of Dictator Yahya being military personnel to understand that
• East Pakistan was situated 1000 miles away from West Pakistan and was surrounded by India from all sides even in the absence of any crisis it was not possible to defend that area for a very long time against India,
• Moreover India was not only a regional Super power but was also having support of a world super power Soviet Union, Even today it will be a matter of few hours for India to run over on Bangladesh.
• Being a military personnel it was his responsibility to understand that if any military personnel will be expelled from his job, he will directly go to enemy side just for his survival, therefore expulsion of local army Personnel’s in East Pakistan was just a blunder on the part of a Military Dictator.
• Being military personnel it was his responsibility to understand that any war can not be win without support of main stream and especially when the opposite side is fighting for any national, traditional, cultural or religious goals.
• Being a military Dictator it was his responsibility to understand that West Pakistani Military who were defending the East Pakistan were having no serious interest in that region, nor their families neither their any state property was there, therefore it was totally unjustified to force soldiers of West Pakistan to flow their blood and to sacrifice their lives for a province which was having no shortage of population, but infact was the largest province of Pakistan.
• Therefore it was the responsibility of local population to defend that area, but dictator Yahya who was belonging from the smallest Frontier Province of Pakistan, made no effort to win the heart and soul of people of that area, in fact defense of East Pakistan was in the population of that province and not in the defense of West Pakistan.
• During War of 1971 he was not attending the meeting in war room, and at the time of surrender he was not available for communication with General Niazi and Neither with USA government, which clearly shows that how much competent and devoted General he was.
• Even after surrender of the Army in East Pakistan this dictator was not ready to leave the post of President and Chief of Army Staff, which clearly indicates that these dictators gives how much importance to their personnel interest and how much deaf and blind are these dictators as far as interest of nation is concerned.
• Due to conflict, all development made in previous 20 years was lost, Military and economic infrastructure was destroyed by India and army Hardware was also looted by India, This is the reason that even today Bangladesh is the least developed country, and number of its defense forces are even less than those of soldiers of Pakistan which were gone in the prison of India.
• Due to blunders of Dictator Yahya, Pakistani nation which was the best model in the history of mankind representing universal brother hood between two equal parts of population separated by a distance of thousand miles were separated, it took few months in separation of these two parts, but in future for very long time no country of the world will be able to present such model of Human brotherhood on the map of the world.

Era of General Zia.
Disasters in the era of General Zia.
Democracy
Mr.Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who was enjoying two third Majority in National Assembly and was creator of 1973 constitution was hanged under the death, just to ensure that by this Zia Dictatorship will remain without any challenge, but in violence in reaction to this act , resulted in deaths of army personnel’s and civilians and law and order situation was deteriorated in the province of Sindh, and to counter that situation an ethnocentric party was created by this dictator, which created so much violence in the city of Karachi, and there is still so much disharmony between different sections of society in the city of Karachi.
Afghanistan:
Due to dictator ship in Pakistan and Islamic revolution in Iran, Soviet Union by taking the advantage of situation invaded the Afgahnistan, from where starts the long voyage of pains and deaths which is still continue.
Siachian:
Siachian was lost to India, while it was the main responsibility of dictator to defend the physical boundaries of the country first, later on so many soldiers lost their life in defending this glacier which was lost in the era of Zia

During Zia Dictatorship, democratic rights of citizens were violated, and severe punishments were given to people demanding restoration of constitution, and use of narcotics and Kalashnikov culture infected the society like an epidemic.

Era of Musharaf.
KARGIL WAR.
Even before becoming the dictator, just for lust of his personnel fame, he was responsible for the adventure of Kargil war, which was having following draw backs.
• As both India and Pakistan were nuclear armed at the time of Kargil war, it was simply foolish idea for staging such an adventure.
• In case of extension of Kargil war, even the survival of both India and Pakistan were at stake, because in nuclear war no one will be victorious.
• Kargil war has given the message to world as Pakistan was interested in the land of Kargil and not in the liberation of Kashmiri peoples.
• It was told to the world as Mujahideen are acting in Kargil while infact they were the personnel of Pakistan army, and in fact it was great betrayal with those soldiers who were officially sent by their Generals in Kargil.
• As a General Pervez Musharaf failed to take the help of Air force, which also indicates that how much capable General was he.
• In Kargil Pakistan army personnel who were denied even by their Generals as their soldiers, were fighting against two forces of India i.e. Indian army and Indian Air force, it was a simple analysis that it will be impossible for one force to win a war against two forces. Which clearly indicates, that General Musharaf was not well aware of the basics of warfare?
• Pervez Musharaf was solely responsible for the deaths and injuries to soldiers in this conflict and damage and malignment of the nation due to his foolish adventure just for his personnel fame.

Musharaf Dictatorship.
After Kargil expecting that he could be court martialled for his misdeed, Therefore by violating the best interest of the nation when enemies of Pakistan were waiting for opportunities to overthrow Taliban rule in Afghanistan, and to annihilate Kashmir libration movement and to surgically remove nuclear arms of Pakistan, by having no care of the above mentioned interests of the nation ,this dictator staged the coup against a Prime Minister who was having two third majority in the parliament, at that time only a civilian government was in best position to solve all above challenges but foolish dictators were having no care of interests of the nation.
Kashmir;
Due to Dictator Ship in Pakistan, liberation movement in Kashmir was seriously damaged; more dust was poured on that weakening movement by foolish suggestions of this dictator. This is the reason that even after giving so much sacrifices, still Kashmiries are waiting for freedom.
Damage to Integrity of Pakistan:
As the survival of any nation depends on the basic ideology of that nation, as Pakistan was created on the name of Islam and for the welfare of Muslim populations of Different areas, but this dictator was having no respect for the traditional, religious. Democratic
and justice values of society, he was not in line with the mentality and thinking of the nation, nation was thinking in one direction and he was having mind of opposite direction, which caused serious damage to unity and integrity of Pakistani nation.

War against Afghanistan:
After 9/11 When he was waiting for help of USA for strengthening his dictatorship, he helped those enemies of Pakistan who were having desire to overthrow Islamic Government of Afghanistan, while in fact that was a golden opportunity for convincing to USA and world that solution to the problem of extremism in Afghanistan should be left to both governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and at other hand it was a convenient opportunity for creating a union between Pakistan and Afghanistan for countering terrorism for the purpose of avoiding the war in the region. but due to his dictatorship these goals were not possible, specially when India the main enemy of Muslim unity in South Asia pressurized Pakistan, by giving unnatural offer of Air bases in India to USA for aggression against Afghanistan while in fact by this offer it was not possible for USA to attack Afghanistan, by this offer, India just aim was to force Pakistan to become an ally of USA against Afghanistan, so that a hatred may be created between Pakistan and Afghanistan, This foolish General was unable to comprehend this policy of India, due to which so much civilian atrocities are going on in this region even today and this region has become the most destabilized region of the world.
War against Afghanistan was opposed by civilian, military intellectuals, Corps Commanders and people of Pakistan, but dictator was having no care about that. and was interested in his personnel interest
War against Afghanistan has caused a huge destruction in Afghanistan and large number of Pakistani civilians and military personnel’s have been killed.
Destruction of Pakistan.
War against a neighbor Muslim country, has seriously damaged Pakistan Islamic Ideology, and it is simple that without adherence to ideology, no country in the world can survive, this is the reason that now Pakistan is facing serious problem in each and every sphere of life, Institutions of Government and Military, Parliament and Judiciary are now facing serious problems as all these pillars of state have been seriously damaged by dictatorial policies.
Damage to Army:
Due to operations against its own population, Pakistan Army has lost all support of people, this is the reason that due to policies of this dictator, daily so many soldiers and Police personnel’s are loosing their lives, Instead of protecting and helping to each other, Army and people of Pakistan are cutting throats of each other, Due to operation in FATA, Balouchistan, and operation of Lal Mosque, serious damage to image of army has occurred. This dictator did not know that only relation and link between different areas and sections of people of Pakistan is that of Islam, All energy and motivation of Pakistani nation comes from Islam, without that even survival of Pakistan is simply impossible, but this dictator was having no care of that, This is the reason that army and security forces have lost all motivation, and anti social elements are committing freely their crimes.
Damage to Judicial system:
This under graduate General has caused serious damage to Judicial system of Pakistan, He was not knowing that in history when a dictator throw away any judge on street due to fair practices of justice then that Judge becomes the greatest judge of history, In Karachi on 12-05-2007,so many civilians were killed just to damage and abuse the
Judicial system of Pakistan.

Damage to Parliament:
This dictator for the lust of power in 1999 removed a prime minister who was having Two Third majority in Parliament and a fake referendum was held to validate his dictatorship in which he showed that he was having support of 98 % of people, while in fact in history even in a single constituency of Pakistan it is simply not possible for any candidate to win so much support. He re-elected himself as a president for next five years, being a government employee wearing Military Uniform, while as per Pakistan constitution it is not allowed to compete elections being in job of Government, moreover from a parliament which already has elected him president once, and was going to complete its life just in next few months.

Conclusion: From all above analysis it is clear that running of the country should be done by those who are specially trained for that purpose otherwise Military Generals, who are trained just to kill or destroy the enemy, when they come to the power they do the same thing with their nation and they are very fond of wars and very interested in show of power with guns, such type of people may be very dangerous for the nation, army and world at large. It is also the responsibility of Army as an institution to clarify that why so much conveniently it becomes obedient to such rogue dictators.

Written By M.Akram Khan.
Karachi,Pakistan
E.Mail :akrumniazi@hotmail.com

Previously I thought it is USA .but it is more of Saudi Arabia using USA. Have Saudis got any think tanks or do they work on personal instincts of the Prince and Kings.[Farrah Shah]
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really ??? like whome??? wahabi is the term used by westerners for any mulim group who believe in jihad.[dr jawwad khan]
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Dear Ms Farrah Shah,

USA and Saudi Arabia used each other, watch this in the PBS Frontline Documentary [Complete History of US Saudi Relations] in the link below

Aal-e-Saud, USA and Wahabis!

http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/aal-e-sau...

IDENTITY CRISIS....BEWARE OF WANNABE ARABS..

The biggest shock I had being a muslim and believing in Islamic Brotherhood which is preached so strongly in our school and media curiculums,is that somehow Saudia is everywhere.
Previously I thought it is USA .but it is more of Saudi Arabia using USA.
Have Saudis got any think tanks or do they work on personal instincts of the Prince and Kings.
Saudia is the country run on best Corporate rules.Investors reap the reward and US and British make profits out of their investments.
Barter is blood ,again same old same old ,Shiattes,Sunnies,Waabies,enough conflicts
But than Saudi Kings have a personal feud with the King of the wars Osama so ,Afghanistan and Pakistan is a play ground for this war game.

after loads of thinking and blood boiling my conclusion about Pakistan politics is all the top heads should be rounded up and put in the prison in THUR .So that they realise for once in their life what it is to be a poor Pakistani Person at a recieving end.
I do not blame the RULERS,apart from Zia we didnot resist anyone.
Our resistance to Zia was so weak that he still managed to rule us for Donkey years.If it was not for the conspiracy he would still be ruling us.
I have no doubts though Nawaz and Benazir both still have been the prime ministers under his Umbrella.
Musharraf had no chance under Zia.
Power is when YOU take it.Democracy is when people rule.
any Shrief Adami apart from Nawaz Shrief and co is afraid to rule or even the part of elite.
One has to have some rogue elements to survive or work with this Mafia of Generals and Civilians.
Apart from above analysis ,I do support Musharraf actions,I did prefer Benazir,i would like to see Imran getting more votes.
Bilawal is inevitable .He is a wish of people and demand of people let us see what he will bring in......
would it be again
Hussain NAWAZ
and
Bilawal BHUTTO.
Come on people let us stop voting.

hahahahahaha!!! you again made me speechless. how do you do that? good job keep it up….[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

I have quoted the news reports, links are as under:

1 - Karzai’s brother confirms presence at Saudi talks

http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/10/top8.htm

2 - Taliban and Afghan officials break bread

http://news.theage.com.au/world/taliban-and-afghan...

3 - S. Arabia brokering Kabul-Taliban talks: ‘Militia severs

ties with Al Qaeda’ http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top2.htm

4 - US supports Taliban return to power By Anwar Iqbal

http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top5.htm

5 - Hekmatyar protected by Iran, says Spanish radio

http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top12.htm

6 - Taleban 'warned US of huge attack' by By Kate Clark - Former BBC correspondent in Kabul Saturday, 7 September, 2002, 09:48 GMT 10:48 UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2242594.stm

7 - Taleban minister's 'peace role' mystery Wednesday, 17 October, 2001, 17:15 GMT 18:15 UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1604691.stm

8 - Taleban 'turn on ex-minister' Last Updated: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK The hardline Islamic Taleban movement is reported to have disowned its former foreign minister in Afghanistan, Wakil Ahmad Mutawakil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3209584.stm

"How would one explain this Saudi-Karzai talks with the Talibans and Iran's Role in Funding A Ferocious Jamat-e-Islami [Read Butcher] Gulbadin Hikmatyar"

hahahahahaha!!!
you again made me speechless.
how do you do that?
good job keep it up....

but for afghan taliban and jihadi forces who want to fight america??? do you have a reason for hating them?kindly share with us.[dr jawwad khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

My reasons to hate these Afghan Warlords is as under:

How would one explain this Saudi-Karzai talks with the Talibans and Iran's Role in Funding A Ferocious Jamat-e-Islami [Read Butcher] Gulbadin Hikmatyar. We are back to square one when USSR had left Afghanistan and these Afghan Mullah Mafia were at each others Throat from 1989 till 2001 i.e. 9/11 despites of the Fact that these Warlords had taken oath in Makkah for restoring peace but they didn't fulfill that promise and killed more Afghans than the Soviet Russia.

Same game is afoot again only the actors are changed earlier Saudi Government tried to make peace between those US/CIA/Pakistan Backed Afghan Warlords [Jamat-e-Islami/Muslim Brotherhood Gang] who fought USSR [1979-1989], then the very same Saudi Government supported and accepted the US CIA/Pakistani backed Deobandi Anarchy i.e. Taliban and the same Saudi Goverment helped the US to destroy the very same Taliban after 9/11 because as per a book [Steve Coll's Ghost Wars] Mullah Omar allegedly misbehaved with Prince Turki Al Faisal [Saudi Intelligence Chief] before US attack on Afghanistan in 2001 because Prince had ordered Mullah Omar to withdraw Taliban support from Laden and Arab Gangs. Even if that was not enough Irani Government was financing a JI/Muslim Brotherhood Butcher of Kabul i.e. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. I wonder if Taliban are to be restored to War than what was the need of so-much bloodshed in the name of War on Terror and that too when a Minister in Taliban government [1996-2001] as per BBC Report [mentioned below], had warned US [before 9/11] in advance that there was a threat of Terrorist Attack in USA.

If the Peace Talk with the Taliban was to be held then what was the need to exploit the Cock and Bull Story that Mullah Omar used to have dreams having indications from Mohammad [PBUH] as to how to Impose Shariah, what was the need to exploit the alleged shirt of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] which was allegedly shown [instead of Bread and Peace] to poor and innocent Afghans by Mullah Omar and this Deobandi Anarchy Taliban to get their sympathy vote above all why dont even take the Holy Name of Islami Shariah when one is indulged in every kind of unscrupulous acts.

1 - Taleban 'warned US of huge attack' by By Kate Clark - Former BBC correspondent in Kabul Saturday, 7 September, 2002, 09:48 GMT 10:48 UK

2 - Taleban minister's 'peace role' mystery Wednesday, 17 October, 2001, 17:15 GMT 18:15 UK

3 - Taleban 'turn on ex-minister' Last Updated: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK The hardline Islamic Taleban movement is reported to have disowned its former foreign minister in Afghanistan, Wakil Ahmad Mutawakil

phewwww....
do these links prove any thing?
just two simple question!!!
why you hate jihadi forces?
i mean for the pakistani taliban(from which afghan taliban always distanced themselves) there is a valid reason for hate but for afghan taliban and jihadi forces who want to fight america??? do you have a reason for hating them?kindly share with us.

what will you do when you see that some rouge person with arms want to occupy your land expell you from your house and kill your family members??there could be two options:
1) you run away like chicken. or
2) you pick a weapon to fight.
my second question is why educated pakistanis hate second option?

really ??? like whome??? wahabi is the term used by westerners for any mulim group who believe in jihad.taliban on the otherhand belong to deobandi school of thoughts
[dr jawwad khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

How would you explain this?

How would one explain this Saudi-Karzai talks with the Talibans and Iran's Role in Funding A Ferocious Jamat-e-Islami [Read Butcher] Gulbadin Hikmatyar. We are back to square one when USSR had left Afghanistan and these Afghan Mullah Mafia were at each others Throat from 1989 till 2001 i.e. 9/11 despites of the Fact that these Warlords had taken oath in Makkah for restoring peace but they didn't fulfill that promise and killed more Afghans than the Soviet Russia.

Same game is afoot again only the actors are changed earlier Saudi Government tried to make peace between those US/CIA/Pakistan Backed Afghan Warlords [Jamat-e-Islami/Muslim Brotherhood Gang] who fought USSR [1979-1989], then the very same Saudi Government supported and accepted the US CIA/Pakistani backed Deobandi Anarchy i.e. Taliban and the same Saudi Goverment helped the US to destroy the very same Taliban after 9/11 because as per a book [Steve Coll's Ghost Wars] Mullah Omar allegedly misbehaved with Prince Turki Al Faisal [Saudi Intelligence Chief] before US attack on Afghanistan in 2001 because Prince had ordered Mullah Omar to withdraw Taliban support from Laden and Arab Gangs. Even if that was not enough Irani Government was financing a JI/Muslim Brotherhood Butcher of Kabul i.e. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. I wonder if Taliban are to be restored to War than what was the need of so-much bloodshed in the name of War on Terror and that too when a Minister in Taliban government [1996-2001] as per BBC Report [mentioned below number 6, 7 and 8], had warned US [before 9/11] in advance that there was a threat of Terrorist Attack in USA.

If the Peace Talk with the Taliban was to be held then what was the need to exploit the Cock and Bull Story that Mullah Omar used to have dreams having indications from Mohammad [PBUH] as to how to Impose Shariah, what was the need to exploit the alleged shirt of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] which was allegedly shown [instead of Bread and Peace] to poor and innocent Afghans by Mullah Omar and this Deobandi Anarchy Taliban to get their sympathy vote above all why dont even take the Holy Name of Islami Shariah when one is indulged in every kind of unscrupulous acts. Read and lament

1 - Karzai’s brother confirms presence at Saudi talks http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/10/top8.htm

2 - Taliban and Afghan officials break bread http://news.theage.com.au/world/taliban-and-afghan...

3 - S. Arabia brokering Kabul-Taliban talks: ‘Militia severs ties with Al Qaeda’ http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top2.htm

4 - US supports Taliban return to power By Anwar Iqbal http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top5.htm

5 - Hekmatyar protected by Iran, says Spanish radio http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top12.htm

6 - Taleban 'warned US of huge attack' by By Kate Clark - Former BBC correspondent in Kabul Saturday, 7 September, 2002, 09:48 GMT 10:48 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2242594.stm

7 - Taleban minister's 'peace role' mystery Wednesday, 17 October, 2001, 17:15 GMT 18:15 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1604691.stm

8 - Taleban 'turn on ex-minister' Last Updated: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK The hardline Islamic Taleban movement is reported to have disowned its former foreign minister in Afghanistan, Wakil Ahmad Mutawakil. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3209584.stm

really ??? like whome??? wahabi is the term used by westerners for any mulim group who believe in jihad.taliban on the otherhand belong to deobandi school of thoughts
[dr jawwad khan]
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How would one explain this Saudi-Karzai talks with the Talibans and Iran's Role in Funding A Ferocious Jamat-e-Islami [Read Butcher] Gulbadin Hikmatyar. We are back to square one when USSR had left Afghanistan and these Afghan Mullah Mafia were at each others Throat from 1989 till 2001 i.e. 9/11 despites of the Fact that these Warlords had taken oath in Makkah for restoring peace but they didn't fulfill that promise and killed more Afghans than the Soviet Russia.

Same game is afoot again only the actors are changed earlier Saudi Government tried to make peace between those US/CIA/Pakistan Backed Afghan Warlords [Jamat-e-Islami/Muslim Brotherhood Gang] who fought USSR [1979-1989], then the very same Saudi Government supported and accepted the US CIA/Pakistani backed Deobandi Anarchy i.e. Taliban and the same Saudi Goverment helped the US to destroy the very same Taliban after 9/11 because as per a book [Steve Coll's Ghost Wars] Mullah Omar allegedly misbehaved with Prince Turki Al Faisal [Saudi Intelligence Chief] before US attack on Afghanistan in 2001 because Prince had ordered Mullah Omar to withdraw Taliban support from Laden and Arab Gangs. Even if that was not enough Irani Government was financing a JI/Muslim Brotherhood Butcher of Kabul i.e. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.

I wonder if Taliban are to be restored to War than what was the need of so-much bloodshed in the name of War on Terror and that too when a Minister in Taliban government [1996-2001] as per BBC Report [mentioned below number 6, 7 and 8], had warned US [before 9/11] in advance that there was a threat of Terrorist Attack in USA. If the Peace Talk with the Taliban was to be held then what was the need to exploit the Cock and Bull Story that Mullah Omar used to have dreams having indications from Mohammad [PBUH] as to how to Impose Shariah, what was the need to exploit the alleged shirt of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] which was allegedly shown [instead of Bread and Peace] to poor and innocent Afghans by Mullah Omar and this Deobandi Anarchy Taliban to get their sympathy vote above all why dont even take the Holy Name of Islami Shariah when one is indulged in every kind of unscrupulous acts. Read and lament

1 - Karzai’s brother confirms presence at Saudi talks http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/10/top8.htm

2 - Taliban and Afghan officials break bread http://news.theage.com.au/world/taliban-and-afghan...

3 - S. Arabia brokering Kabul-Taliban talks: ‘Militia severs ties with Al Qaeda’ http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top2.htm

4 - US supports Taliban return to power By Anwar Iqbal http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top5.htm

5 - Hekmatyar protected by Iran, says Spanish radio http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/07/top12.htm

6 - Taleban 'warned US of huge attack' by By Kate Clark - Former BBC correspondent in Kabul Saturday, 7 September, 2002, 09:48 GMT 10:48 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2242594.stm

7 - Taleban minister's 'peace role' mystery Wednesday, 17 October, 2001, 17:15 GMT 18:15 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1604691.stm

8 - Taleban 'turn on ex-minister' Last Updated: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK The hardline Islamic Taleban movement is reported to have disowned its former foreign minister in Afghanistan, Wakil Ahmad Mutawakil. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3209584.stm

really ??? like whome??? wahabi is the term used by westerners for any mulim group who believe in jihad.taliban on the otherhand belong to deobandi school of thoughts
[dr jawwad khan]

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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

How would you explain this?

Hamid Karzai - He also served as deputy foreign minister [Pakistani Establishment Backed and concocted Afghan government] in the Afghan government from 1992 to 1994 after the mujahedeen defeated the Soviets. But he grew weary of the fierce infighting between rival Afghan factions and initially supported the Taliban, who tried to name him as their ambassador to the United Nations.

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Karzai was a member of the Mujahideen and took active part in driving the Soviets out of Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion in the 1980s. The Mujahideen were secretly supplied and funded by the United States, and Karzai was a top contact for the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) at the time. He had close personal contact with CIA Director William Casey and George H. W. Bush, who was Vice President of the United States.

When the Taliban emerged in the 1990s, Karzai was at first one of their supporters but later he broke with them and refused to serve as their U.N. ambassador. However on August 20, 1998, after an attempt by the United States to kill Osama bin Laden with a cruise missile, Karzai praised the Taliban saying,

“ ...there were many wonderful people in the Taliban.

Reference:

a b Marlowe, Ann (February 11, 2008). "Two Myths About Afghanistan", The Washington Post, p. A13. Retrieved on 2008-02-11. "On Aug. 20, 1998, the day the United States sent cruise missiles to kill Osama bin Laden, Karzai told The Post that "there were many wonderful people in the Taliban. ...So he spent much of the fall offering to negotiate with Taliban chief Mohammad Omar and the vicious warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar."

The same Karzai and his mentor Zalmay Khalilzad were the ones who used to negotiate Oil Pipeline Deal on behalf of UNOCAL AND HALLIBURTON [M/S Dick Cheney and James Baker] with the Rampant Deobandi Mullahs of Talebans!

References

Ilene R. Prusher, Scott Baldauf, and Edward Girardet (June 10, 2002 edition). "Afghan power brokers" (HTML). pub. Retrieved on 2007-12-11. “Cool and worldly, Karzai is a former employee of US oil company Unocal – one of two main oil companies that was bidding for the lucrative contract to build an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan through Afghanistan to seaports in Pakistan – and the son of a former Afghan parliament speaker.”

Tom Turnipseed (January 10, 2002). "A Creeping Collapse in Credibility at the White House:" (HTML). counterpunch. Retrieved on 2007-12-11. “As reported in Le Monde, the new Afghan government's head, Hamid Karzai, formerly served as a UNOCAL consultant. Only nine days after Karzai's ascension, President Bush nominated another UNOCAL consultant and former Taliban defender, Zalmay Khalilzad, as his special envoy to Afghanistan.”

really ??? like whome??? wahabi is the term used by westerners for any mulim group who believe in jihad.taliban on the otherhand belong to deobandi school of thoughts
[dr jawwad khan]
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Riyadh's new envoy just the US ticket By Giuseppe Anzera

Middle East Aug 19, 2005 asia times

Background of Prince Turki

Born on February 15, 1945 (the very day on which King Abdul Aziz al-Saud and US President Franklin Roosevelt met on board the USS Quincy and agreed on the "enduring relationship" that has linked the United States and Saudi Arabia up to the present day), at age 14 Turki was sent to boarding school in Lawrenceville, New Jersey. He subsequently enrolled at Georgetown University in the same year as future president Bill Clinton, but left before graduating and then completed his studies by obtaining a degree from Oxford, England. His father, King Faisal, had reigned over Saudi Arabia from 1964 until his murder in 1975. Prince Turki's career has been pursued mostly within the General Intelligence Directorate (GID), Riyadh's main intelligence service, which he headed from 1977 to 2001.

His stint at the GID, which came almost by chance due to the need to maintain a precarious balance of power among the various clans in the Saudi royal family, made him one of the longest lasting and authoritative intelligence chiefs in the world. Under Turki's leadership, the GID transformed into a modern intelligence service; as a member of the Safari Club (which brought together the intelligence chiefs of France, Morocco, Egypt, Arabia and Iran in an anti-Soviet effort during Washington's difficult Watergate phase), he exerted a determinant influence on Afghani events following the Soviet invasion of 1979.

From 1980 onward, Turki committed the GID to the task of providing financial support for the mujahideen war effort against the Soviets, channeling vast amounts of funding to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), subsidizing jihadis from all over the Middle East who wanted to participate in the anti-communist crusade, and assisting the efforts that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was starting to make in the same direction.

The impact of Turki's influence determined who was to prevail among the Afghan leaders; his funding laid the foundations for the Islamic volunteer groups who fought in Afghanistan (giving rise to the formation of groups such as al-Qaeda) and enabled the ISI to attain such importance that it became a parallel government in Pakistan. It was Turki who made a deal with the CIA that Riyadh would supply the ISI with an amount equal to the funding provided by US intelligence, thus pouring huge sums of money onto the Afghan chessboard.

Turki had known Osama bin Laden since 1978; bin Laden became one of the linchpins of the GID's funding policy toward the ISI and anti-Soviet warfare in Afghanistan, and he met with Turki several times in Islamabad. Many years afterward, in 1998, when bin Laden had already become engaged in an anti-American crusade, Turki was responsible for requesting his extradition by Taliban leader Mullah Omar, but did not succeed in this task.

“He allowed a free hand to the CIA approved Wahabi Islamic doctrine to gain a firm foothold in Pakistan”
really ??? like whome??? wahabi is the term used by westerners for any mulim group who believe in jihad.taliban on the otherhand belong to deobandi school of thoughts
[dr jawwad khan]
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"Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan and bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to 10 September 2001", by Steve Coll, New York: Penguin

The motives of the White House and the CIA were shaped by the Cold War: a determination to kill as many Soviet soldiers as possible and the desire to restore some aura of rugged machismo as well as credibility that U.S. leaders feared they had lost when the Shah of Iran was overthrown. The CIA had no intricate strategy for the war it was unleashing in Afghanistan. Howard Hart, the agency's representative in the Pakistani capital, told Coll that he understood his orders as: "You're a young man; here's your bag of money, go raise hell. Don't fuck it up, just go out there and kill Soviets." These orders came from a most peculiar American. William Casey, the CIA's director from January 1981 to January 1987, was a Catholic Knight of Malta educated by Jesuits. Statues of the Virgin Mary filled his mansion, called "Maryknoll," on Long Island. He attended mass daily and urged Christianity on anyone who asked his advice. Once settled as CIA director under Reagan, he began to funnel covert action funds through the Catholic Church to anti-Communists in Poland and Central America, sometimes in violation of American law. He believed fervently that by increasing the Catholic Church's reach and power he could contain Communism's advance, or reverse it. From Casey's convictions grew the most important U.S. foreign policies of the 1980s – support for an international anti-Soviet crusade in Afghanistan and sponsorship of state terrorism in Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Guatemala.

Casey knew next to nothing about Islamic fundamentalism or the grievances of Middle Eastern nations against Western imperialism. He saw political Islam and the Catholic Church as natural allies in the counter-strategy of covert action to thwart Soviet imperialism. He believed that the USSR was trying to strike at the U.S. in Central America and in the oil-producing states of the Middle East. He supported Islam as a counter to the Soviet Union's atheism, and Coll suggests that he sometimes conflated lay Catholic organizations such as Opus Dei with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian extremist organization, of which Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's chief lieutenant, was a passionate member. The Muslim Brotherhood' s branch in Pakistan, the Jamaat-e-Islami, was strongly backed by the Pakistani army, and Coll writes that Casey, more than any other American, was responsible for welding the alliance of the CIA, Saudi intelligence, and the army of General Mohammed Zia-ul-Haq, Pakistan's military dictator from 1977 to 1988. On the suggestion of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) organization, Casey went so far as to print thousands of copies of the Koran, which he shipped to the Afghan frontier for distribution in Afghanistan and Soviet Uzbekistan. He also fomented, without presidential authority, Muslim attacks inside the USSR and always held that the CIA's clandestine officers were too timid. He preferred the type represented by his friend Oliver North.

Over time, Casey's position hardened into CIA dogma, which its agents, protected by secrecy from ever having their ignorance exposed, enforced in every way they could. The agency resolutely refused to help choose winners and losers among the Afghan jihad's guerrilla leaders. The result, according to Coll, was that "Zia-ul-Haq's political and religious agenda in Afghanistan gradually became the CIA's own." In the era after Casey, some scholars, journalists, and members of Congress questioned the agency's lavish support of the Pakistan-backed Islamist general Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, especially after he refused to shake hands with Ronald Reagan because he was an infidel. But Milton Bearden, the Islamabad station chief from 1986 to 1989, and Frank Anderson, chief of the Afghan task force at Langley, vehemently defended Hekmatyar on the grounds that "he fielded the most effective anti-Soviet fighters."

dont mind if i say that this is utterly non sense and ridiculous and totally biased.i thought this article is written by pro israel,islamophobic drawing room intellect of america, if the name of hassan rizvi askari wont be there. [dr jawwad khan]
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Charlie Wilson's War http://www.amazon.com/Charlie-Wilsons-War-Extraord... by George Crile during the so-called Afghan Jihad following things did happen;

He told Zia about his experience the previous year when the Israelis had shown him the vast stores of Soviet weapons they had captured from the PLO in Lebanon. The weapons were perfect for the Mujahideen, he told Zia. If Wilson could convince the CIA to buy them, would Zia have any problems passing them on to the Afghans? Zia, ever the pragmatist, smiled on the proposal, adding, Just don’t put any Stars of David on the boxes {Page 131-132}.

contrary to the reality this was the biggest mistake of ISI and islamic forces.they neglect the brain washed russian educated preverted minds of afghanistan…. - dont mind if i say that this is utterly non sense and ridiculous and totally biased.i thought this article is written by pro israel,islamophobic drawing room intellect of america, if the name of hassan rizvi askari wont be there. [dr jawwad khan]
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General Zia an alleged Hero of Afghan Jihad but what about this?

"QUOTE"

Late Maj Gen Aboobaker Osman Mitha [The Only Memon General of Pakistan Army and he founded the Special Service Group (SSG - Commando Division of the Pakistan Army) posthumously published autobiography, Unlikely Beginnings.

According to Gen Mitha, it was Gul Hasan who saved Brig Zia-ul-Haq, as he then was, from being sacked. Zia was in Jordan. The year was 1971. Gen Yahya received a signal from Maj Gen Nawazish, the head of the Pakistan military mission in Amman, asking that Zia be court-martialled for disobeying GHQ orders by commanding a Jordanian armour division against the Palestinians in which thousands were slaughtered. That ignominious event is known as Operation Black September. It was Gul Hasan who interceded for Zia and had Yahya let him off. Mitha was treated very badly. His Hilal-i-Jurat was withdrawn in February 1972, something that also appears to have been Gul Hasan’s handiwork.

"UNQUOTE"

why you people deny the fact that the resistance was home grown and america jumped years later [dr jawwad khan]
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Dear Dr Sahab,

For your kind perusal,

As per a book “Charlie Wilson’s War by George Crile during the so-called Afghan Jihad following things did happen;

“There were frightening posters and official briefings from the moment the soldiers got off the transport planes at Bagram Air Base, whispers about what had happened to their colleagues. They all knew about the fanatic Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s practice of leaving armless and legless Soviet soldiers on the road. {Page 288-489}.

“Hart {Station Chief of CIA in Pakistan in Afghan War days} himself, however, was deeply suspicious, even angered by Massoud’s refusal to move on the Salang Highway. He passed on his doubts to Langley, along with the ISI’s crude joke about the unmanly nature of Massoud’s Tajik: “When a Pashtun wants to make love to a woman, his first choice is always a Tajik man.” {Page 199}.

“In London, Avrakotos asked for a personal meeting with MI6 {British Intelligence}’s Massoud expert. He turned out to be a young, blond SAS guerilla-warfare expert with the peculiar nickname of Awk, a name said to vaguely resemble the grunting noise he would make on maneuvers. Awk had just returned from three months inside the war zone. It was about a two-week journey in those days, walking north from the Pakistan border through Nuristan and the Hindu Kush to reach Massoud’s valley. Awk had gone in with two other SAS commandos. Their report had astonished Avrakotos. “There was one passage in there that really got me,” remembers Avrakotos. “This guy was sleeping with a couple of his buddies and he said he awoke one night and heard horrible groans. He didn’t get up but was able to put on his night-vision goggles and saw a group of Massoud’s guy literally cornholing a Russian prisoner.” {Page 199}.

“At MI6 headquarters Awk told Avrakotos that watching that man die had made him finally understand the Afghans, ancient code: “Honours, hospitality, and revenge.” Raping an infidel was not the atrocity it would be in the West; it was simply revenge. {Page 199}.

“To begin with, anyone defecting to the Dushman {enemy} would have to be a crook, a thief, or someone who wanted to get corn holed everyday, because nine out of ten prisoners were dead within twenty-four hours and they were always turned into concubines by the mujahideen. {Page 332}.

“At one point Avrakotos {CIA officer responsible for Afghan Jihad} arrived for one of these White House sessions armed with five huge photographic blowups. Before unveiling them he explained that they would provide a useful understanding of the kind of experience a Soviet soldier could expect to have should he surrender the mujahideen. One of them showed two Russians sergeants being used as concubines. Another had a Russian hanging from the turret of a tank with a vital part of his anatomy removed.” {Page 333}.

“The CIA found itself in the preposterous position of having to pony up $ 50, 000 to bribe the Afghans to deliver two live ones {Russian Prisoners}. “These two guys were basket cases,” says Avrakotos. “One had been ****ed so many times he didn’t know what was going on” {Page 333}.

“In an interview on a private TV Channel ARY ONE’S VIEWS ON NEWS with Dr. Shahid Masood (June 16, 2004), former IG Police Sardar Mohammad Chaudhry, who was in sanctum sanctorum of General Zia, said that after the imposition of martial law of 1977, the West had cut off all financial aid and the country was on the verge of an economic collapse. Zia and his generals decided that the way out was to tap funds from Saudi Arabia. For that Islam had to be used as bait. Then on, the Hudood Ordinance and other such infamous laws against women were introduced ensuring a free flow of money from Saudi Arabia. Zia was never serious in his Islamic endeavours. "Regrettably, " Sardar said, "I was a part of that."

General Zia ul Haq appointed a ‘Society Lady’ Joanne Herring as Pakistan’s honorary Consul in Houston, Texas USA, earlier her husband Bob Herring was offered the post but he declined and gave his wife’s name.

“She was Zia’s most trusted American adviser, as per Sahibzada Yaqub Khan, She absolutely had his ear, it was terrible,” “Zia would leave cabinet meetings just to take Joanne’s calls. “There was no affair with Zia,” Wilson recalls, but it’s impossible to deal with Joanne and not deal with her on sexual basis. No matter who you are, you take those phone calls.” {Page 67-68}.

why you people deny the fact that the resistance was home grown and america jumped years later [dr jawwad khan]
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Dear Dr Sahab,

For your kind perusal,

Zbigniew Brzezinski [10th United States National Security Advisor] under US President Carter and Afghan Jihad addressing Afghan Mujahideen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvO3qAlyTg&fea...

Zbigniew Brzezinski to Jihadists: Your cause is right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJTv2nFjMBk

Are We to Blame for Afghanistan? By Chalmers Johnson

"Asked whether he in any way regretted these actions,

Brzezinski replied:

Regret what? The secret operation was an excellent idea. It drew the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? On the day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, saying, in essence: 'We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War.'

Nouvel Observateur: "And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?"

Brzezinski: "What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?"

Are We to Blame for Afghanistan? By Chalmers Johnson

"He allowed a free hand to the CIA approved Wahabi Islamic doctrine to gain a firm foothold in Pakistan"
really ??? like whome??? wahabi is the term used by westerners for any mulim group who believe in jihad.taliban on the otherhand belong to deobandi school of thoughts

"he imposed a new religious tax which was used to create tens of thousands of madrassas, or religious boarding schools, where “Islamic text books’ printed in USA and approved by CIA were taught. These schools would be used to train and indoctrinate a large portion of future Islamic militants using courses developed in the USA"

kindly roam arround and give the name of madrissa where jihadi training is being given...what a muslim can do when the jihad is in holy quran and ahadith e mubarika...should we suppress those parts from the Quran e kareem and books of ahadith? what a non sense...

"Mean ISI took over to continue the field work and launched a massive campaign of terrorism, assassinating hundreds of teachers and civil servants in Afghanistan.”

contrary to the reality this was the biggest mistake of ISI and islamic forces.they neglect the brain washed russian educated preverted minds of afghanistan....

dont mind if i say that this is utterly non sense and ridiculous and totally biased.i thought this article is written by pro israel,islamophobic drawing room intellect of america, if the name of hassan rizvi askari wont be there.

@amir mughal!
islam mazarat ko giranay kay ilawa bhi kisi cheez ka nam hay ya naheen?...why you always poke your nose in the bullshit written by guys like hassan rizwi and others...
why you people deny the fact that the resistance was home grown and america jumped years later...initially they were not accepting the news that afghan mujahideen with old and rusty rifles giving the tough time to the USSR.

well... why is the writer pretending as if the civil government is doing so well and all the wrong that has been done to country is by generals!!
in country where there is all filthy politics is going just for CHAIR with no interest for the country you can't blame generals only!
just analyze that wo invite them and why they r invited??
Pakistani filthy politicians are not worth of ne thing... they are bunch of looters, thieves and murderers dont have ne sense of talking!
I dont know y Pakistanis act so blindly or or they just want to be different!

Dear Dr Awab,

Kindly allow this link to enable all to read the complete entry.

LINK OF THE ABOVE TEXT

The New ‘Great Game’:Part 1-Birth of Radical Islamist Militancy BY Hassan Rizvi , Lahore: Sep 20 2008

Friends,

This may help to understand the present mess in Pakistan

Brzezinski’s Islamic Militant Policy Implemented In Pakistan.

In Pakistan on 5 July 1977 Pakistan’s socialist minded Prime Minister Z.A.Bhutto - an advocate of the policy of independence from US domination through a combination of ‘Islamic socialism’ and a pro-China foreign policy ; as well as the architect of Muslim unity(held first Islamic summit at Lahore) and Pakistan’s nuclear program - was eliminated in a coup by General Zia –ul-Haq .Zia had already proved his worth as an American ally in Jordan , where he massacred the PLA to save the Jordanian throne for the Americans.

Apparently the US stopped all economic and military aid to Pakistan as a result of the coup .But in actual fact aid continued flowing in a big way for the militants and their Islamisation process through the Safari club and the rouge CIA; and planning was soon expedited to draw in and kill the Russian bear in Afghanistan.

In Afghanistan Daud suspected of having gone ‘soft’ on Pakistan was removed through a pro-Soviet coup on April 1978.This served as the ideal start point for implementing Brzezinski’s policy. Aid to Pakistan was resumed .The CIA commenced beaming of radio propaganda into Afghanistan, and a program and started for turning the Afghan mujahideen into radical Wahabi Islamic fighters. Zia proved invaluable at this stage.

He allowed a free hand to the CIA approved Wahabi Islamic doctrine to gain a firm foothold in Pakistan. Passing pro-Islamic legislation, he allowed FIB (Faisal Islamic bank) to start Islamic banking systems, and created Islamic courts. Most importantly, he imposed a new religious tax which was used to create tens of thousands of madrassas, or religious boarding schools, where “Islamic text books’ printed in USA and approved by CIA were taught. These schools would be used to train and indoctrinate a large portion of future Islamic militants using courses developed in the USA.

“Radical Islamist ideology began to permeate the military and the influence of the most extreme groups crept into the army,” writes journalist Kathy Gannon in her book I is for Infidel. The BBC later commented that Zia’s “Islamization” policies created a “culture of jihad” within Pakistan that continues until present day. Mean ISI took over to continue the field work and launched a massive campaign of terrorism, assassinating hundreds of teachers and civil servants in Afghanistan.”

For Iran, in November 1978 former Under Secretary of State George Ball was appointed as advisor to President Carter! This is most amazing for he was known to hold the view that the US should drop support for the Shah of Iran in favor of the radical Islamist opposition of Ayatollah Khomeini. Later during his exile The Shah would note with bitter hind sight,”It should have been clear to me that the Americans wanted me out. What else was I to make of the Administration’s sudden decision to call George Ball as advisor on Iran?”

For Al-Qaeda around 1978-79(the details are fuzzy) Osama Bin Laden visited the US and Britain -or both -ostensibly for the treatment of his son Abdul Rahman born with hydrocephalus. However the required treatment-an operation - was never carried out. More likely he went there to get his final briefs first hand!

"UNQUOTE"

Friends,

This may help to understand the present mess.

Brzezinski’s Islamic Militant Policy Implemented In Pakistan.

http://saiye.instablogs.com/entry/the-new-great-ga...

In Pakistan on 5 July 1977 Pakistan’s socialist minded Prime Minister Z.A.Bhutto - an advocate of the policy of independence from US domination through a combination of ‘Islamic socialism’ and a pro-China foreign policy ; as well as the architect of Muslim unity(held first Islamic summit at Lahore) and Pakistan’s nuclear program - was eliminated in a coup by General Zia –ul-Haq .Zia had already proved his worth as an American ally in Jordan , where he massacred the PLA to save the Jordanian throne for the Americans.

Apparently the US stopped all economic and military aid to Pakistan as a result of the coup .But in actual fact aid continued flowing in a big way for the militants and their Islamisation process through the Safari club and the rouge CIA; and planning was soon expedited to draw in and kill the Russian bear in Afghanistan.

In Afghanistan Daud suspected of having gone ‘soft’ on Pakistan was removed through a pro-Soviet coup on April 1978.This served as the ideal start point for implementing Brzezinski’s policy. Aid to Pakistan was resumed .The CIA commenced beaming of radio propaganda into Afghanistan, and a program and started for turning the Afghan mujahideen into radical Wahabi Islamic fighters. Zia proved invaluable at this stage.

He allowed a free hand to the CIA approved Wahabi Islamic doctrine to gain a firm foothold in Pakistan. Passing pro-Islamic legislation, he allowed FIB (Faisal Islamic bank) to start Islamic banking systems, and created Islamic courts. Most importantly, he imposed a new religious tax which was used to create tens of thousands of madrassas, or religious boarding schools, where “Islamic text books’ printed in USA and approved by CIA were taught. These schools would be used to train and indoctrinate a large portion of future Islamic militants using courses developed in the USA.

“Radical Islamist ideology began to permeate the military and the influence of the most extreme groups crept into the army,” writes journalist Kathy Gannon in her book I is for Infidel. The BBC later commented that Zia’s “Islamization” policies created a “culture of jihad” within Pakistan that continues until present day. Mean ISI took over to continue the field work and launched a massive campaign of terrorism, assassinating hundreds of teachers and civil servants in Afghanistan.”

For Iran, in November 1978 former Under Secretary of State George Ball was appointed as advisor to President Carter! This is most amazing for he was known to hold the view that the US should drop support for the Shah of Iran in favor of the radical Islamist opposition of Ayatollah Khomeini. Later during his exile The Shah would note with bitter hind sight,”It should have been clear to me that the Americans wanted me out. What else was I to make of the Administration’s sudden decision to call George Ball as advisor on Iran?”

For Al-Qaeda around 1978-79(the details are fuzzy) Osama Bin Laden visited the US and Britain -or both -ostensibly for the treatment of his son Abdul Rahman born with hydrocephalus. However the required treatment-an operation - was never carried out. More likely he went there to get his final briefs first hand!

Our Military Dictators and their sons and our Political leaders and their sons are in self-delusion thats why they are making us nothing but halluci-Nations. Why? beacause
Israel and India are halluci-Nations ©
http://karachi-kool.blogspot.com/2009/08/israel-an...

Was 14th August 1947. Our Freedom-day or Fascist-day? ©
http://karachi-kool.blogspot.com/2009/08/was-14th-...

Perverse-Punjab + Sordid-Sin-dh = Politics.pk aka Democracy

Dictatorship derive from Democracy and Demo derive from Dictatorship..wow u'd wat da hell im sayin and im mad but u r yokels, have no guts to get to know the truth. u r political prisons built by Jesuits financed by Zionist. Demo and Dic are Zionist method to control the plebes/peoples in their own way in order to acheive their own perverse end.
Zardari govt means Zionist govt and they are those who killed their own prophets like Zechariah later they killed Jesus whom they called Bastard and his mother a Harlot mentioned in Talmud which took place Torah for so long.
US Nato army are those who flushed down our holy book Koran in toilet..you are giving them support and eating their shit who not me but our Politicians and Dictators. and their sons.
Both D's stand for Despotism which motto is "the less is there of you, the more is there for us.."
gotcha...? I can go on and on but understand this will be good for u i can't write more for yokels. for further reading visit my blog.. Thanks

@UF
I'm sorry I was writing in a real time and I was in hurry so thats why I made few mistakes above.
Its true wheat, sugar indeed produce in perverse-punjab what I meant that US make all parties agree that Talibans are our enemy #1..all parties.pk are agree on it and fighting with 'em and they are indeed giving them sugar, wheat and other foods.
Regarding MQM who was nurtured in Mush reined indeed backed by US/UK because they are against Talibans. I didn't mean that sugar, wheat loaded from KP and delivered to afghan
i mean KP is only port.pk and its been control by US under supervision of MQM. i will write on it sooon at my blog.

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Several of these Ex Servicemen are themselves hard core criminals and some of them have the “Honour” for serving under Musharraf and one of them has supported 1999 coup calling it essential for National Security:

1 – Asad Durrani was made Ambassador in Saudi Arabia by Musharraf.

2 – Hamid Gul supported General Musharraf/Army Mutiny in 1999. General Hamid Gul: “The army acted in the national interest” [LISTEN GUL'S AUDIO OF 1999 BBC REPORT BY CLICKING THE LINK] World: South Asia Pakistan’s coup: Why the army acted Wednesday, October 13, 1999 Published at 23:20 GMT 00:20 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/473297.stm

Pakistan’s coup: The 17-hour victory Thursday, November 11, 1999 Published at 10:56 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/475195.stm

Gen Musharraf ‘did not know he was sacked’ Pakistan coup ‘unplanned’ Friday, 11 February, 2000, 13:44 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/638970...

The group of retired Pakistani generals and military officers who have asked General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf to resign as president of Pakistan have now reportedly decided to “apologise” to the nation “for imposing martial laws in the past, abrogating the Constitution several times, and not letting democracy flourish in the last 60 years”. The first “apology” session was to have taken place Thursday to which the retired brass had invited President Musharraf himself.

REFERENCE: What the generals must apologise for Friday, February 01, 2008

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008...

Retired generals refuse to apologise,but want Musharraf to go By Umar Cheema Friday, February 01, 2008, Muharam 22, 1429 A.H.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id...

What has not changed is the mind set of dictator’s sons and their cronies.[Ahmad Nadeem Gehla]
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Sir,

Isn't it strange that General Musharraf's Martial Law 1999 - 2008 had accommodated everyone no matter Sons of Dictator, Liberals, Mullahs and those who had served Ayub, Yahya were in Musharraf's Martial Cabinet.

1 - Sharifuddin Peerzada. [Zia's Gift].

2 - Begum Atiya Inayatullah [Zia's Gift]

3 - Gohar Ayub's Son as Finance Minister has served Musharraf.

4 - Ejazul Haq [a great grandson of Mian Tufail [Ex Amerr Jamat-e-Islami] from maternal side, General Zia was the husband of Shafiqa Ziaul Haqa who was grand niece of Mian Tuafil] and Humayun Akhtar are now demading the reinvestigation of C130 Bahawalpur Crash of 1988 but served under Musharraf with the very person as their colleague who nowadays they alleged that he is responsible for Zia and Akhtar's Death.

5 - Major General [Retd] Mahmud Ali Durrani

Major General [Retd] Mahmud Ali Durrani - he was From 1977 to 1982 Pakistan’s defense and military attaché in Washington, D.C. Military Secretary [1982-1986] UNDER American Backed Military Dictator General Muhammad Zaiul Haq [1977 - 1988]. Durrani was posted as the commander the 1st Armoured Division in Multan, and being the former MS to the president persuaded the then Army chief and president General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq to witness the tank exercise in Bahawalpur desert on 17 August, 1988 [where are those demented Generals i.e. General Retd. Mirza Aslam Beg and Lt. General Retd. Hamid Gul who wind up the investigations of General Zia's Plane Crash -Read, Who Killed Zia below].

REFERENCE: Major General [R] Mahmud Ali Durrani and Security Breach http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/01/major-gen...

6 - Captain Usman Aminuddin - A pimp of General Yahya was taken in Musharraf's Cabinet.

7 - Ather Minallah - Free Judiciary Movement and Chief spokesman for CJ Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry but served Musharraf's Martial Law Cabinet as "Provincial Minister for Human Right in NWFP from 2000 to 2002.

NOTE: JUST SEARCH NEWSPAPERS September, October and November 1999 and you may find shocking news about Imran Khan and Qazi Hussain Ahmed praising and Inviting Military to overthrow Nawaz Sharif and take over.

Every one is getting his part out of this torn country whether its a politician or military ruler to say the least.

dr jawwad khan,

I agree. Our Govt does not have time and brains to deal with these issues, but when it comes to Gilgit and Bultistan these bastards were ready to declare it as a province, just to please Kareem Agha Khan ($$$$$$$).

Check this out....
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/9-16-2009/page11.asp

These PPP thugs have no brains, they just want quick votes...

How long will this FREE-CASH last?
You feed a man with fish, he survives a day, you teach a man how to fish, he can fish to survive a life time

guys!
do you know who are these liberal asses?
why they look every thing through american specs?
what are our problems,dangers and ground realities?
let me tell you what kind of monster we are facing?
we have shortage and dearth of every essential cmmodity.
gas!
electricity!
wheat!
sugar!
water!
vegetables!
fruit!...you name it.tomatos 80 rupees kg???
in a extremely fertile land of the agricultural country?...
mixed with balatant corruption of the criminals in govt:
like zardari,geelani and coronies of shareef brothers.

and it doesn't bothers to our liberal jackasses.

we have army who is only good in killing its own people and extremely hesitant of defending it geographical borders...
these goons in uniform do not want shot a single bullets in unmanned drone killing its citizens and creating chaos in our tribal area.

and it doesn't bothers to our liberal jackasses.

this restlessness in tribal area has started creating sepratist tendencies.
and it doesn't bothers to our liberal jackasses.

we have insurgency in balochistan supported and funded by americans,afghan and indians.where the enormous degree of hatred for pakistan can inflict to next unhealable wound and tragedy for our dearest pakistan.
and it doesn't bothers to our liberal jackasses.

we have criminal president who is behaving nothing more than a obedient pimp selling every things to americans and foreign powers...
and it doesn't bothers to our liberal jackasses.

we have a clear and present danger of notorious black water along with imminent american armed forces in heart land of pakistan.who give a damn to the pakistanis and laws of pakistan.who even do not stop on red signal light.
and it doesn't bother to our liberal jackasses
our millions of fertile land is being sold to foreigners ...
and it doesn't bother to our liberal jackasses
lawlessness
corruption
failing economy
failing utilities
failing country
nothing bothers these liberal jackasses

what make these lowlives irritate and angers them is a zia ul haq era and few taliban...
what a god dman clowns they are!

Btw..the cat shit on my blog symbolises you and all the other Zia sympathisers..

Well Dr.Jawad...looks like you have run out of reasons to defend daddy Zia so youre getting personal again...truth hurts..i know,but that doesnt mean you come up with illogical bullshit which has no relevance here...my advice to you would be to take it easy and join a madrassah...you will find people like yourself there,who are interested in homosexuality and masterbation.......The fact that you have not replied to my previous argument in a civilized manner shows that i was right in pointing out that you are the product of yellow journalism...have fun inside the bubble...you wont hear from me now..

hey cheem-oos!!!
why don't you go and do some thing in which you are best like collecting these;
http://cheemus.blogspot.com/2009/08/cat-shit.html

guys!
do you know how a boy look like after masturbation? have a look at this
http://cheemus.blogspot.com/2009/09/breaking-fast....

@cheem-oos
leave the history.its a difficult thing because it need a thorough analysis and logic
after collecting all the information..its a mind job...
leave it to others...

OMG!!!
typical monkey business with the recoded history....

Dr Jackass. You are imitating a stray dog here ... barking your way to nowhere. I am not supporting Musharraf in any way, because unlike you i have an impartial mind not influenced by a Military dictator/Father. I can see realistically whats right and whats wrong. Gen.Zia .. as much as you love him ... set the grass roots for alot of things which are today are main issues.

Why do we blame Americans for everything, when our very own RULING ELITE, including your beloved father, sat in the Yankees lap. Americans have their own agenda, their own policies, their own benefits. Why should one expect them to stop with their interference in our country while we ourselves cant think for the benefit of our country.

The fault lies in us. Be it Musharraf, be it Zia, be it Ayub, be it Zardari ... with the little gains they might have given us .. they have pushed us many years back. Lets stop with the blame game, lets stop wasting out time in figuring out what was done before and by whom. As a nation we should be worried about our present and our future because Pakistan is in fragile times.

You are a fellow country man, i wont direct anymore comments towards you. You have your view points and i might have my own. It wont get us anywhere criticizing each other.

We as a nation should be more focused and united for our country s causes.

Yeh hai toh hum hain.

Pakistan Zindabad.

"zia ul haq never allowed americans to establish a direct connection with afghan mujahideen.his behaviour was more honorable and soverign than your lowlife illegal father pervez musharraf."...first of all..pervez musharaff is not my father..but im pretty sure Zia ul Haq is yours as pointed out by Jawwad Bin Zia ul Taliban..who is probably your half-brother who has now chosen the right path..secondly...during Zia's time the CIA and US Army Special Forces had direct links with Pakistan's ISI and the SSG...if that is honorable for you...then God give you the sense to understand...or are you saying that the Mujahideen(read Taliban aka Hairy boobs) should be treated honourably as supposedly they were during Zia's time(occurding to you)?..as if they are saviours of the whole universe..Youre being fed the wrong propoganda...or maybe youve watched alot of conspiracy theorist videos on youtube...You,Dr Jawwad are the direct result of Pakistani media's(which survives on the basis of spreading conspiracy theories) yellow journalism...wake up

"All famine are orchestrated by the US/EUK under supervision of our govt who are giving them sugar, wheat and everything related to food to US.Nato army from Karachi Port. MQM is their largest shareholders in it and this is what creating famine"

not only sugar and wheat but also there is a shortage of meat in peshawar and related area.residents of peshawar many times complained and pointed out about that...

"it was Gen Zia and Gen Akhtar who masterminded the Talibans for their own benefits. American interference emerged ever since"

pervez musharraf ki najaiz aulad!
plz don't mind if i say that you are nothing more than a modern day liberal jackass who say some thing first and think later.
taliban is quite a new phenomenon against the lawlessness and bloodshed due to civil war between mujahideen factions.
those mujahideen who were organised,trained and armed by general zia ul haq and ISI.
and one more thing it was undoubtedly pervez musharraf submission and obedience which make yankis roll in the state affairs of pakistan...these yankis urinated on pakistan soil and crops of liberal jackasses grew over nights.
zia ul haq never allowed americans to establish a direct connection with afghan mujahideen.his behaviour was more honorable and soverign than your lowlife illegal father pervez musharraf.
kia tumharee maa nay tumhen qasam di hay kay apnay najaiz bap ka difa karo chahay kitni hi jihalat kiyoon na dikhani parhay?

"All famine are orchestrated by the US/EUK under supervision of our govt who are giving them sugar, wheat and everything related to food to US.Nato army from Karachi Port. MQM is their largest shareholders in it and this is what creating famine."

Your perceived route map:
Sugar and Wheat produced in Punjab ---> Loaded and cargoed to Karachi ---> Unloaded in Karachi ---> Checked by MQM ---> Loaded again and cargoed to Peshawar ---> Delivered to Afghanistan.

Nice.

By guY-sir® derive from guYasir™

I wanna say that Shame on our govt since Ayub to Zardari…A2Z are A$$-wholes.
They are serving their masters malignant agenda no matter they lost their brother, sister, father, mother, wife or anyone else but they made a pact in turn to gain material wealth.
All famine are orchestrated by the US/EUK under supervision of our govt who are giving them sugar, wheat and everything related to food to US.Nato army from Karachi Port. MQM is their largest shareholders in it and this is what creating famine.
The election legitimize an illegitimates thru NRO backed by US/EUK in order to make us accomplices to govt who are deeply corrupt and immoral elite. Z is there becuz US/EUK wanna make us more poor and wanna hold their strings on sub-continent and its adjacent areas each and every issue…U.S/U.ASS sounds similar..say so

Whoever is with them is a traitor, impostor, debaucher, perverse and as well as A$$-whole like A2Z

I've no shame and hesitation to say that Pols.pk whoever they are, are gelded and debased and serving the Neo Feudal Imperialism of US/EUK.

Democracy and Dictatorship both are rUSe in order to take complete control of each and every aspect of our lives and make us accomplices to the system which is sordid and insane system making us nothing but halluci-Nations.

Democracy and Dictatorship both are rUSe.
http://karachi-kool.blogspot.com/2009/07/democracy...

Banksters a.k.a Gangsters
http://karachi-kool.blogspot.com/2009/09/banksters...

Unaiza Fatima and I are on same page...

The above post was for Dr Jawad, All other audience is requested to censor it in their minds. You ve been warned.

Arey yaar ... jawad ul haq .... Aap ko samajh na chahiya hai kay zia nay america kay chukay thay aur amreeka nay usko chuk dia. ub apnay abu Mr.Haq marhoom kay liye ro mut, masjid jao ... nafal padoo.

Your pointless criticism has spoiled the entire blog. Grow some thing down there and up there ... because u ll really need those to take a reality check . Zia s happening, led to Musharraf. And it was Gen Zia and Gen Akhtar who masterminded the Talibans for their own benefits. American interference emerged ever since.

Hope you get your fact straights.

Cheerss

the last thing i need is a Ziaist telling me how to respect women...this is not a "Juggat Baazi" blog mr jawwad...or shall i say Daactar jawwad...if you have some valid points...then come up with them and defend Zia..people dont want to read your teenage verbal abuse crap..and it doesnt make a difference if you call me a bhangi or whatever.

"i totally forgot there was a lady following the comments..sorry bout that"

abey ja salay...bhangiyon men kahan auraton ka aehtaram hota hay...shareef banta hay jharhoo ki aulad

see unaiza baji!!!
how dirty and filthy his thinking is....
lagata hay peechay say bhangi hay...
besharam dhoti kaheen ka.

My apologies lady...everything was intended for dr jawwad alone...i totally forgot there was a lady following the comments..sorry bout that