US Immigration Form lists Baluchistan as Country of Citizenship
Over the past many years there has been a strong lobby of Baluchistan Separatists Movement who strive to separate the Province of Baluchistan from Pakistan. The efforts in recent times have gained significant foot hold to become the talk of the town in recent few months, Patriotic Pakistanis are generally averse to this proposition while the corrupt politicians continue to strangulate the province forcing the Baluchis to struggle for an independent Baluchistan.
A few years back in 2006 US Armed Forces Journal published a map outlining the new Blood Borders which discussed the possibility of a seperate Baluchistan, this map was met with severe outcry across Pakistan. The pros and cons of such a division are still heavily debated and only until recently has it started taking a turn for the worse
A reader of this blog, Basit, pointed about a surprising discovery in one of the forms published on the USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services) website, the form under question is the AR-11 [Change of Address] form which is used by non US Nationals to notify the USCIS of any change in address. Surprisingly the field “Country of Citizenship” lists Baluchistan (Pakistan) as an option. Within the list of countries listed, I was relieved to see Pakistan still listed, but cant seem to understand why they chose to list Baluchistan alone and conveniently forgot to list the more populus of our other three provinces like Sindh, Punjab or even NWFP.
It could very well be an accidental error, it could also be a list of the most often used terms that people use to fill out this USICS form, or it could very well be a direct indication of things to come, a suggestion that Baluchistan may very well become a country separated from Pakistan.
The issue of Baluchistan being such a sensitive topic I believe the inclusion must touch a very sensitive nerve and should be condemned across the board, with the hope that the Pakistani diplomatic envoys [hopefully they have some balls] to challenge the US officials for an offical apology and an immediate removal.
Credit Basit
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@ farhan
pakistan govt and pakistan leaders all are crooks they will never change nor they allow any change. compare with oil rich gulf, they started with our currency notes and now where they are standing, from desert to a civilised city with their oil money..
at least one can see baloch leaders loosing their lives for their people, by not war b/w themselves that one can see within pakistani politics, its a war b/w govt forces and leaders of balochistan along with local people
@ Farhan
1st - Let’s imagine, all leaders are crooks including baloch leaders than all parts should stand at same position of present balochistan after 60 years or let’s say with 30 to 40% difference! “Balochistan is Pakistan's poorest, most backward and most neglected province” this is a quote from one of the international analyst/media (a friend country of pakistan). Common why balochistan.. its 21st century, we have world in our fingers tip, even blocked channels can be accessed easily, hiding is not as easy..
2nd – Let’s say of free balochistan. If common people won’t get free food or money, worst to worst if only 40% income goes for developments roads, security, clean water, local jobs, education, educational rights of our language.. at least common people get basic necessities..
It’s not alone BLA or any other organization fighting for our rights, this is all balochs.. every single baloch (all tribes of balochistan) is a balochistan army for liberation..
@ Touseef
for us new start with pakistan is meaningless. pakistani govt is pakistan, isnt it! blaming our (balochistan) leaders are always a pakistan tactic, we all know our leaders, belive me whatever a normal pakistani know are all pakistan (agencies) made propaganda. our leaders are always fighting for rights of their people and bcoz of this almost all being murdered by pakistani agencies.
balochistan has nothing from others. dont say food items, as this too from local places and even nuclear radiation effecting lives their. http://www.thebaluch.com/040310_interview.php
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2006/2006-10-27...
for us revolution is peaceful End the Illegal Occupation of Balochistan.
shoaib baloch,
You are right, all the pathan leaders can be crooks, all the panjabi leaders can be crook, all the sindhi leaders can be crook and all the muhajir leaders can be crook BUT NOT BALUCHI LEADERS because they are not born from human race but out of angels.
Comon Shoaib wake up, they are all the same, they just have different ethnic backgrounds and they may be either living in mountains or GHQ, they all worship POWER & MONEY.
Baluchistan may become a seperate country only if BIGGER SAMRAAJ ends its honeymoon with LITTLE SAMRAAAJ. Right now there is no such sign.
And if we suppose that BLA wins. Do you think average Baluchis would get free food on the table and all their sufferings gone???? Did this happen with people of the countries who are the biggest oil producters? or biggest diamond producters or biggest gold producers?
They all have to work hard to bring food to the table. Things would stay the same for average Baluchi just like they are for average Panjabi, Pathan, Sindhi, Muhajir
ONLY CROOKS WOULD BENEFIT FROM SUCH A SCENARIO as it is happening in the rest of Pakistan.
@ Touseef
all over pakistan we have all type of currupt leaders than y blaming baloch leaders for this? y we baloch dont have our own sui gas and at same time other parts of pakistan protesting for gas shortage??!! its not wat baloch leaders want or not, its wat pakistan govt want. our (baloch) leaders dont have that much power to do or to stop anything decided by the govt of pakistan. now we all general public of balochistan want our own leadership back in balochistan. (google for more details and clarification)
well, the subject in discussion is about balochistan so talked about it. I know the current leadership is same all over Pakistan. But it is also a fact that your wadeeras have always sold the general public for peanuts to internal/external elements out of the fear that if they got educated then who will work for them like slaves. I agree it is also a negligence on behalf of Pakistani Government and if there had ever been a sincere leadership, things would have been much different. So why blame Pakistan for it and not these rotten waderas and politicians. These are the real culprits and not Pakistan itself. So let's not fight on it and work on things which can bring some revolution in the system where either they will get hanged or thrown out of the country to give way to the sincere and honest leadership.
Every province has its own resources to complement each other and a nuclear armed united Pakistan is in the favor of not only every Pakistani but every Muslim as well.
Salaam, I want to share my experience below in two stages..
1st stage - when i was young I used to raise pakistan flags all over my place to celebrate 14 august.. until..
2nd Stage - when i grownup and got a chance to visit my ancestors place and relatives in balochistan. This visit i had after complete pakistan trip. What i have seen and faced during my stay in Balochistan, people there dont have basic necessities like clean water, electricity, gas!! (balochistan own natural gas), no jobs (most of the gwadar port jobs gone to others), no education system, least developed (better say undeveloped).. people are suffering there. If you want to know the reality go and stay there for a week thn you will come to know. We baloch have more respect and better identity in other gulf countries comparing to pakistan.. many people now know the reality, I have completely changed now after knowing the reallity, I support balochistan seperatist movement (im part of this movement), i like pakistani people but the problem is pakistani politics, politicians, agencies, army, cia, they are good for nothing.. for them purpose of pakistan is to get personal benifits.. sorry to say pakistan came into existence for this thing only (main purpose of Jinnah).. we have no trust in pakistan (not pakistani people).. in the resource rich balochistan, local population are suffering while paki industries and politician and others benifiting.. its too late now.. we all local population need nothing less than independence and inshAllah will get our identity very soon.. balochistan zindagbebaat.. sorry for being bit lengthy…
Perhaps it is because of the fudal lords and not because of Paksitan. May be its the baloch leaders themselves not wanting the general public to get developed so not to question there own leadership.
@ ansar ali
brother do give this suggestion to your paki army to completely beat us if they could....!
Moreover you said that paki army can beat us then you are living in fool's paradise. These types of comments are only a piece of shit and non serious and so called dialogues..
I think all the Blouch traitor should be kill immediately as they want more wealth without work. The total population of the blouch in blouchnistan are few lakhs and paki force easily beat them in army action as done by srilanka force against tamil tigers.
I think two type of people are always present in every society one are the prostitute and second one are separatest. They are not completely wipe out from the society.
some body balochs go their ancestors had from there i want to say fool man he should say me where punjabis had come they are from india and we are a nation in balochistan was a country when paki occupied it balochistan is separate country.
Bismillah_e_Rahmaan_e_Raheem.
Hello & Hi
Let me tell you the truth regarding "BALOCHISTAN" OR "KALAAT STATE" used to be a country not a province of Pakistan or Iran since 1928 Iran was occupied Westren Balochistan & March 27,1948 Pakistan was occupied Eastern Balochistan as whole of you know that Pakistan was created by British since August 14,1947.those pakistani migrated from India and inhabited into Sindh and Balochistan.
What a coincidence today they are asking original pupil where did you come from ? Pakistan has a sixty three years of histroy not more then that & pakistani culture is diffrent from Balochistan or Balochistani ,Balochi Language is quite diffrent from pakistan even those pupil cannot speak balochi .Just because of religion which does not mean that we baloch nation become part of IRAN OR PAKISTAN then why pakistani donnot join SUADI ARAB or other Islaamic countries please donot use name of Islaam try to persuad other Islaamic country to be a part of pakistan .
BANGLADESH used to be a part of Pakistan then since 1971 what happened ? they are not moslems then why pakistani killed three million Bangladeshi pupil just name of ISLAAM.
Pakistani's are terrorists even paki armies are terror specially ISI,MI,etc etc all paki agencies are terrorists.
what about sir syed ahmed khaa not khan he was born in India not in Balochistan and who is ALLAMA IQBAL ? we BALOCH NATION donot know them then How ALLAMA IQBAL HAD WRITTEN INDIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM ? WHICH MEANS THEY ARE BELONGS TO INDIA UNDERSTAND.....! to day punjab is loosing the grip on Balochistan so they feel regret them selves why feel guilty ? still i myself zip on my lips dear pakistani's? if you guys want more information find "AMERICAN NEWS PAPER BY THE NAME OF NEW YORK TIME WHEN BALOCHISTAN HAD GOTTEN INDEPENDENCE every thing was written there ..........! and paki wants more information histroy of balochistan must go to UNITED KINGDOM OKAY .
WE BALOCH NATION LOVE OUR MOTHER LAND GREATER BALOCHISTAN.
Just one final bit I feel it's my duty to add;
SK Baloch said that resources will continue to be divided on a population basis and that the new NFC formula,not solely based on population,would not be implemented.I would like state that that is not true and now the provinces have been provided with the requisite resources under the new formula.
Allah Haffiz
HYMN
SK baloch
one more thing,there is no solid evidence those three baloch nationalists killed in april were killed by the Pakistan government.the witnessess say that assailants came in the dead of the night with rubbed license plates.some say they spoke in persian(a national language of afghanistan)...and if the government had them killed would they be that stupid as to dump their bodies in a public area instead of dumping them somewhere where they couldn't be found,which is especially easy in the large wastelands of Balochistan?!do you think they wanted to spread fire in Balochistan against pakistan instead of getting rid of their bodies somewhere so that their names could only be mentioned in the missing persons list and that would have been the end of it.but clearly this is the action of those who want to dismember pakistan...
It doesn't take an einstein to connect the dots...but your naivety and anger and brainwashed thinking clouds your ability to do so in an unbiased fashion...
assalam o alykum dear brother HYMN
i have read ur discussions with brother sk baluch. if u have read this blog from its begining then u would come to know that i have already talked with him a lot abt this issue. what i concluded that we can kept cross our fingures for him that may ALLAH show him the right path.
these brothers are now getting hypered instead of putting their efforts to work for the prosperity of pakistan. many times i asked him that u r fighting for balochistan but v r giving u whole pakistan!!! whole country is for you. y u want a partial part???
anyways, let him exhaust his angerness and we will always welcome him as a pakistani borhter.
May Allah protect our country and countrymen
Allah Haffiz
Hafiz Mubeen Ashraf
SK baloch
you seem to be of the mindset that economic prosperity shall coming flooding into balochistan once it seprates....in your naiveties concerning local rulers who you believe are loyal to Balochistan just because they are baloch you are lost...
Do you know the British conquered most of India with an army of natives that did their bidding for economic reasons?the army was financed by the British and brought land under British rule and that is why we say ‘the British conquered India’,even though the most basic clogs of its machinery,the soldiers,were natives.the activists may very well be native Baluch but the ones FINANCING and ,hence,PROPAGATING hate,ethnic tensions,target killings,brainwashing and terror in Baluchistan are not natives and they shall stand to gain most if Baluchistan is ‘liberated’ by them.India is one of those back-hand dealers and that is why it is blamed even if it is not directly interfering using its army.what it has to gain i need not mention.but we do ignore the possibilities of foreign corporations and western nations(like america,who is faced by an economic challenge by the name of china and which is itself controlled by corporations) interfering as well.like Iraq,foreign companies,American and European,shall pounce on the state like vultures and Baluchistan would have to open up her soil to them to exist ,as secession would create economic challenges for her,and they will molest her and squish every drop of resource out of her once she is trapped in their claws.what will happen to her would be worse than what has happened to any country in a similar situation up till now.the highest indication of the inevitability of this is a highly illiterate population and a bunch of tribal and materialistic leaders(i believe you call them ‘Baluch nationalists’) for whom Baluchistan can go to hell as long as their worldly desires are fulfilled and who shall lick the feat of foreign powers like mujeeb-ur-rehman did india’s after the creation of Bangladesh.i believe india looks for another slave nation like bangladesh in Baluchistan.If not India there are plenty of other who could have this inten...do you know what india has done to bangladesh after independance?why do the bangladeshi intellectuals vehementaly ctitisize and dislike the india that ‘liberated’(or rather enslaved) them?
SK baloch
prince Karim only conspired against Pakistan as he was going to losse his affluent position as de facto ruler of the makran upon secession to pakistan...and not all of Balochistan rose up in revolt just his conspirators and their Afghan aids...get your facts straight...if his cause had been just Balochistan would have been separated long ago as allah aids the truthful against others...
but you only need to believe that if you are muslim...
SK Baloch
women raped?torture?
YOU make it sound like hitler's holocast or Indian action in Kashmir though I know this is far from he truth(I know so cause I LIVE HERE-Nasirabad).nor r there thousands of people missing.the funny thing is that the nationalists claim thousands are missing but fail to produce identification.and only 1 woman,a teacher from Sindh, has been raped and that case too is highly dubious...the UN itself refused to recognize any mass human rights violation in Balochistan...
people like you exaggerate horribly to demoralize Pakistanis and turn us against each other!you also make up false histories of Balochistan to serve your purpose...
i want free balochistan ilove balochista and i want struggle for freedom of balochistan
hi everybody ,,,this should be in every bodies knowledge that balochistan used to be a separate and we were not part of sub.continent..when british was leaving sub.continent we were given choice to take ur lands under lease from british.and we declared our independence on august 12.and the map of balochistan was also published in newyork times next day.Pakistan terrorist state occupied us on 1948.we are not pakistanis .we have different culture.,,language history,everything we have.so pakistani corps should leave our land.we r owners of our land.by making a separate column they did a great job.i appreciate them.
nawab khair bux over great hero and his son nawb shaheed balaach and nawbzada hayrbiyar
nazeer Bugti
I am a Brahui
Balochistan was originally inhabitated by the ancient race of muzaffargarh AKA the Brahuis(whom Baloch try to portray as Baloch but we say otherwise).the Baloch only entered 'Baloch'istan a few hundered years ago,long after the kurds ,Makranis and Brahuis came into existence.you are not the original inhabitants of Balochistan.Secondly,there were many Baloch and brahui princely states by 1947 and all of them seceded to Pakistan.the accession of Kalat however is controversial.however,the state of Kalat formed only 22-23% of Balochistan and was landlocked,surrounded by other states and terrirories that had legally seceded to Pakistan.you try to portray as if Kalat was ALL of 'baloch'istan.and that land is not UR land.most of that land is uninhabited and that uninhabited land can belong to anyone not just the baloch just because it is in a land known as 'Baloch'istan.that land was sometimes part of Sindh,sometimes Punjab,sometimes afghanistan...there was never a united balochistan 'country'.all of Balochistan was united for the first time by president Yahya Khan in 1970 prior to the elections.
There are all commonalities between pakistan and balochistani pakistan. If somebody thinks he is not pakistani, he should leave the country and go to where his ancestors came from. Balochistan is not of balochis or punjabis. It is of Pakistanis.
this is come to ur knowladge that there is not any major facilation achive in balochistan for example education health and infastracture. major thing is that required. but every minster level to low level man currept in devlopment of balochistan. i m also masters in international relation but there is not any job about my sub. where i m go. i m not releize that
Hafiz bro. You are right. But discussion, recommendations committees all these stuffs were out there in previous governments as well, but nothing is being done on ground and nothing is being implemented. They may have agreed, but still it is not part of process or law. They had disscution , drunk few cups of tea. Still resources are being distributed on population basis as new formula is yet to be acted up on, who knows it would ever materialize as it did not in last 62 years. committees, discussions, meeting have been happening since 62 years, with out any solid reason, sir if you have seen anything happening in actual, please share it with me? regards.
assalam o alykum dear baloch brother
i got your mail regarding start of our conversation again.
now come to the point, i again request to all my dear brothers on this discussion that kindly dont give then the label of RAW or other agents. this is a fouram to discuss our views and to listen to our agreaved brothers.
and my dear baloch brother, listen very carefully that now govt is serious to solve your problems. you spoke about the NFC award but let me add in your information that this is for the 1st time in history that all provinces are ready to give the share of balochistan on their valid reasons. if you are unaware of this then it doesnt mean that the fact is not there. you spoke about the sahre is again to be distributed on the basis of population that is totally uncorrct. i have been regulary observing the news about balochistan and fully updated with them. the 1st session was held in queata and all participants were agreed to share the resources on the baisis of land area which was the biggest demand of our balochi brothers. so your this claim has been solved.
the 2nd thing is that yesterday all our balochi leaders met to presidant zardari and he assured them that their reservations will be fully met and today again prime minister has called on lunch meeting to nawaz shreef to discuss about your all reservation including a fedral govt package for our baloch brothers.
so now tell me what is let for you now???
yes your pains are very serious and true but let me again tell you that this has happend with all pakistani nation due to poor leadership. same situation exists in all provinces of pakistan.
you told about the educational institutes in balochistan. i give you an offer to come in punjab and pakhtoon areas and see the small cities problems. all are facing same issues. same situation is in sindh province. in balochistan these problems are upto some extant serious but the sloution of problems never exists in separation movements. remember one thing agin that right now you have claim on whole part of pakistan as pakistani citizen but as per your movement you will have only claim on a half part? so tell me if this will be a rational thinking??
and for your kind information if you read about indain states and their grivances then you will come to know that they are even more deprived off from their rights.!! so tell me what should they do? either they should also start the independance movement???
You all people that Baluchistan is not as normal as you people think, has it been it wouldn't have been discussed in India praliment, isn't it disgusting for all Pakistanis, the part of land they calim to be theirs is being discussed Indian pr aliment.This attitude of you people won't work as it did not 1971, 95% Bangladeshi want independence and you still say Indian did it and today a lot of Baluchistani Baluch are calling for independence and you are saying it is nothing but fuss and Indian propaganda. I Know Baluchistan completely, here because of series of betrayal grievances are too deep. You try to analyse the situation with the eye of a Baluchistani Baluch, don't see Baluchistan with an eye of Punjabi.Every body agrees Baluchistan has suffered a lot of injustice and it is but natural there would be . some reaction for this. Read this newly published article. .
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l.... ALL agree grievances are genuine here, and demand of AZAD BALUCHISTAN is not being hurled outside Baluchistan , but within Baluchistan.wake up, lest there is too late. Wsalam
HAFIZ SHAIB. WE will begin our conversation, please come up with your queries. We will carry out the discussion. thanks.
@ MR. I condemn Israel, america and India unequivocally. I condemn american occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, i strongly criticize and oppose Israel occupation of pelastine and Indian occupation of Kashmir, but in the same tone I oppose Pakistan's occupation of Baluchistan or at least discriminatory policy of center towards Baluchistan.If you wanna speak Baluchi with me I am ready, I don't think an Indian won't be knowing Baluchi at least. ALLAH hair ba kinee thain chaka. Tho main pecha Baluchi kinag lota, ma ready histain. Baluchi ba kin ager tera kahee. Regards.
Well. I am not entirely against Pakistan unity, but every should learn from experience. Our experience shows that we can get our constitutional and economical rights. It is impossible. Drawing new boundaries is not an easy task and is last solution but if no option is down there then we have to opt for it. @ Mr. I myself has no much economical strain but it is not war of me , it is of suffering people who are being deprived education and other such basic necessity. You will see in the histories of nation many rich people have scarified for the poor, suffering people. What I know is that Baluchistan can be far better with out Pakistan than it is with Pakistan. But this is just one prospective. what Baluchistan will be after independence, but again i am not entirely against unity of Pakistan, but Pakistan is leaving us with no option but to opt out for new geographical boundaries. Still no provincial autonomy, NFC award is still being disturbed on population base. If you wanna know How centre treats Baluchistan, then watch out this video by renowned journalist Javed Chudary. http://www.ankhmacholi.com/shows/treatment-balochi... and if you wanna know what people of Baluchistan want then see just photograph posted in this article.
http://blog.ale.com.pk/?p=199 AND ALSO WATCH OUT THIS VIDEO TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE IN BALUCHISTAN WANThttp://videos.desishock.net/index.php?module=item&... ALL reporting in these references have been done by Pakistani media and pro Pakistani people. There are lot of people who are calling for independence now a days.This is whatever in taste, but is reality however. Regards.
SK Baloch clearly hates Pakistan. Moreover, he did not say anything
US or India or even Israel. This shows it is possible he is not Balo
chi. Everybody knows US want Balochistan separated to secure Gas
pipeline from Capsian sea to Gawadar and stop Iran and china. so it
is only in US interests that Balochistan get separated. Indians are
always stupid so these uglies are just playing game of weaking the
enemy i.e. Pakistan and China. Enacting Balochistan will not make them
less ugly or reduce poverty, learning from example of bangladesh.
SK-Baloch is ignorant phsyco but their solution is not gun but charity.
Give bread to these hungry people may help them think clear.
I am damn sure Balochies were not suppressed intentionally. Maybe there
are some disadvantages to them but look, even in most developed
or rich countries, you find lot of poor among rich. Its just fact of life.
And who are they comparing with? There are even lot of poor in Punjab
and Moreover, life of a farmer is quite hard. What SK-Baloch people
need to understand is if they have capability to succeed in life, they
can do it even within Pakistan. If they are capable, they will be
losers in life even in Pakistan or not.
Ugly Bengaliz thought West Pakistan is cause of their troubles and poverty.
Tell me where Bengaliz stand now? What is their achievement? Are they
rich or super power? I never heard of any achievement from them other
than Mohammad Yonus whose idea is a proof how much poverty is there
in Bengladesh.
Jinnah pur, Saraiki pur, balochi pur need to understand, it is in their
best interest to be part of whole Pakistan. In international politics,
its might is right that goes. Samll countries cannot defend themselves
economically or militarily.
assalam o alykum dear brothers...
i have been reading your comments and arguments with SK baloch. Just to inform you that I have already lot of discussions with him but at end he escaped from replying me. you can check my comments in the middle of this belog. ask him to reply for that questions which I asked him in my last discussion. if he is a true balochi then he must have resvervations and concerns with us but what he is following the way is absolutly wrong and destrction for him.
upto my understanding he is a balochi not RAW agent but he may be playing in their hands just to show his angerness in a wrong way.
I have been still waiting reply from him from the last month but he didnt.
anyway, our belog here is to listen and remove the misunderstandings between pakistani nation and not to critisise them. so I would make an appeal to my all paksitani brothers to convenience all angry balochs in a win/win situation. whatsoever had done with them from the last 60 years is also a crutial reality and likely to see us this unfortunate situation.
a very true and patriotic pakistani
SK Baloch is clearly a RAW trained hindu baloch terrorist. These mofos talk about no tehcnical edcuation and college in balochistan on one hand and on the other, they are killing the punjabi teachers who teach in these colleges. Since they themselves are the most nalaik and don't have any teachers, they have scared away punjabis and now all the colleges across balochistan are closing.
These cockroaches have become "courageous" by licking the saliva of their amreeki and hindu masters. Hopefull the big shaitan amreeka will be leaving afghanistan soon and then pakistan army can properly deal with these cockroaches.
There are no technical institutions where people from Balochistan can pursue education, which would enable them to achieve a respectable status. All the work in the various military or civilians are assigned to non-local labour. This is not done because the Baloch people are lazy or unable to do work. Rather this is being done to add to the depravity of the already suffering people of Balochistan.
Just AZAD BALUCHISTAN
The per capita income of Balochistan is next to zilch when compared to the national average of the rest of Pakistan. Balochistan has hardly any schools or colleges except in the capital city of Quetta. The Baloch people have to travel great distances even to get basic necessities such as water and food supplies. There are hardly any roads or major railway links in Balochistan. Most Baloch people have to work as migrant labourers in the more developed cities of Karachi and Islamabad. The Pakistani Army treats the Baloch people the same way in which an invading Muslim army treats dhimmies. They rape women and young girls, kill non-combatants; in general terms, they spread misery amongst the Baloch population. It is not as if the Civil or Military Administration is unaware of these facts. On the other hand, the Administration fully supports these cruel techniques used by the Pakistani Army to subdue the Baloch. This is actually a return gift from the Pakistani Administration for the audacity of asking the for basic human rights by the Baloch.
AZAD BALUCHISTAN
Out of the other ethnicities, the Baloch people have suffered the most under an administration dominated by Punjabis. The region of Balochistan is mostly waste land covered by deserts and uncultivable land. However this area is also rich in mineral reserves such as natural gas and petroleum. In fact, 90% of Pakistan’s energy requirements are met by the natural reserves of the province of Balochistan. But the irony is that this province does not even get 5% of the electricity produced from the land in this region. So much for Islamic brotherhood!
Only AZAD BALUCHISTAN
Azad Baluchistan is right, its due. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfff27Pb1Vc&fea.... Only AZAD Baluchistan
@Mr. I don't know what you are talking about. Why you are talking about ethnicities? Call out the referendum, then it will become clear how many baluch want to live with Pakistan. No need to talk about ethnicities etc. I appeal to UN to have referendum in Baluchistan to let people determine there destiny. AND if you talk about name" Baluchistan", I don't call it because it was given by British, I call this because it is right name, Baluchistan means"Land of Baluchi people.
SK Baloch, my point was you cannot base your identity upon the name Balochistan, as you yourself mentioned, it was just given by British to an area to administer it better. So you cannot say gas belong to people of Balochistan. And regarding ethnicities, i feel it useless you spend time on researching ethnicities that are found there. This task is very low priority to me because this stuff doesnot matter in modern world. I hope someone else reading this blog should help me telling SK baloch how many ethnicities are there in area Balochistan, for me it is boring to death.
@ Robert. You are right.If world is sincere in eliminating in terrorism, then they must see divide Pakistan as was proposed by "Syed Jamaludin". Otherwise 9/11, 7/7 and Mumbai like incident will continue to take place. America should reenter the name of Baluchistan in all american forms.
The reason is very obvious. The recent book by SYED JAMALUDDIN titled "DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM" has already proposed the idea of disintegration of Pakistan. The said author has proposed making of countries called PAKHTOONISTAN, INDEPENDENT BALOCHISTAN, SINDHUDESH, REPUBLIC OF JINNAHPUR, INDEPENDENT KASHMIR, BALAWARISTAN in South Asia by dividing Pakistan. Hence, in view of implementation of such a proposal in the nearest future, all American forms shall be altered.
Each tribe has share in resources. agreed. I never said bigger tribe has, smaller hasn't. I even say resources are property of state of Baluchistan, people of state of Baluchistan, be the Baluch or some minority as sindhi or pashtoon living under state of Baluchistan. Well now Listen. From Gawader to Mastung all areas are of Baluch people, then Quetta is conroversial as I told you.From dastto Jacoabad is Baluch domianted area. AND from sibi to DG KHAN is Baluch dominated areas.AND other areas from kecliak to Loralai , ZHOB. These are Pashtoon dominated areas. SOMETHING discovered in these areas are property of pashtoon people.They have every right there and its there land. Well Name Baluchistan has been given by British not by Pakistan. There is Baluchistan in Iran too, THERE is Baluchistan in Afghanistan too. They all are called Baluchistan. SO u mean to say Pakistan give name Baluchistan to Iranian Baluchistan and also too AFGANIAN Baluchistan. HAHAH.NAME was given by British, not BY Pakistan. minorities are every where. But areas I told you are Blauch dominated. MOST of minorities are settlers who are now leaving now. Every body knows Which areas are Baluch dominated and Pashtoon dominated areas. Baluch dominated will be united as a country.Pashtoon can do whatever they want with there land, they be with Pakistan, with Afghanistan, whatever we don't care.LOng LIVE AZAD BALUCHISTAN.
What you think about that every tribe is a different Ethnicty? Besides why Pushtuns don't have rights over land resources in Balochistan.And don't use word Balochistan,it is shame of you to use this word because this word was given to you by Pakistan. Take word Balochistan out and then tell me what ethnicity is there in your area who claim whole area belongs to them.
I will do some research and come back to you about number of ethnicities in Balochistan, in my opinion it is equal to number of tribes. So each tribe has a right over land resources. One bigger tribe has no right to claim resources.If it is then rest of Pakistan has right over land resources in your area.
Well. First we have nothing to do with chaman.And everything in state of Baluchistan is property of nation: Baluch. And if you talk about the example you have given, then this can be applied everywhere. AND give me reference of one war between baluch tribes for resources? There is not single. There are different ethnicities I agree, but south west and CENTRAL Baluchistan IS BALUCH DOMINATED AREA.Minorities are there which do not belong to baloch ethnicity but 60% are Baluch in Baluchistan. The problem i personally think is about Quetta, other all areas are well-demarcated in Pashtoon and Baluch belt. We are not talking about Pashtoon belt, nor asking for their ancestral land possession. I am just asking about Baluch belt of Baluchistan.Here I must agree Quetta is controversial. Chamman is not part of Baluchistan state. Everything found in Baluchistan is property of Baluch state, not of two people or of two tribe.
Isnt it that Gawadar belongs to people of Gawader, Chaman belongs to people of Chaman, Sibi belongs to people of Sibi and so on. Whatever thing is discovered in land of some people will be property of that people. Well what if a thing is discovered in land of two people? What will happen? They will fight for it and the mighty one will capture it by defeating the weaker. Who will be the mighty ones here? Offcourse, bigger tribes= bigger group of people.
Dont tell me there is never a problem within tribes and dont tell me there was never a fight between tribes for resources. It is same 10th century tribal mentality that is making you think, OK something is being discovered from land nearby where I live, so its my birth right that I own that thing.
Tell me how many languages are spoken in Balochistan. Balochistan word was given to you by Pakistan, what was there before? How many tribes and ethnicities are there in Balochistan? I dont believe it is one. How can you claim that Balochistan is one ethnicity? We have hundreds of ethnicities in Punjab. Some countries like US has thousands of ethnicities. Just wondering what if they have same stupid way of thinking as yours where will they end up?
ABOUT electric cars. Yes I agree. Its not my problem what your country is doing for betterment of its people, importing electric car or begging money from International donors or IMF.I have my own country( Baluchistan) to worry about.If you can make use of electric, its better for your country and your people. What we will do for betterment of our country, our people, our economy. Its purely our problem. I think you need not to nudge in it.Thanks. Wsalam
You mean to say if i go to Gawader,Gawderi Baluch will stop me saying why I have come to there area, or we will stop them from coming in our areas, if you think so then you are most stupid person world will ever see. MANY PEOPLE FROM tribe and areas are working in Gawader-A Baloch dominated area- none was targeted, none was told anything. MANY PASHTOON and Punjabi were told to leave. Not only in Gawader, also in my area and in other BALOCH DOMINATED AREAS TOO. But none Baluch was told so, here many Baluch are working who are not from my area, no body can tell them anything but anything. So we have thinking of caring our people and sharing resources and jobs with each other.
@ Mr. I have already answered you this question. Read clearly my earlier post. I think you also have reading problem.
Comment by sk baloch on October 19, 2009 @ 6:32 am
Read what I have wrote in this very post. I said that If gas discovered in SUI, It is property of state of Baluchistan, not of Bughti tribe, like wise Copper, gold, coal discovered in chaugi is property of :" State of Baluchistan" not of Sijrani tribe , or other tribes living down there. We shared gas with Whole Pakistan, how could we will not share resources with our own people. My ideology is that Everything found in Baloch belt of Baluchistan is property of state of Baluchistan. State of Baluchistan will make use of it for the prosperity of citizen of country Baluchistan. Gas is also discovered at my area(uch gas field). I am not saying its only of my tribe or few others living down here. I am saying this is gas for all people living in state of Baluchistan.This is my ideology. MY ideology: ALL resources are property of state of Baluchistan, run by ethnically baloch people.Its not of one tribe, or of those people living in that area. Its of all Baluch people. UCH power station is situated in my area, our demand for employment enrollment is first those should be employed who are baluchistani baloch,then other baloch from outside Baluchistan. We never said about our tribe,we said about all Baluchistani baloch, They are our brother. These tribes can not divide us anymore inshALLAH.
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