The Hoodlumism of Army Officers and the Blatant Lack of Accountability

On the night of Nov 27-28, 2009, my house in Wah, where my wife and daughter and I had come to celebrate Eidul Azha, was fired upon six times by a high velocity firearm, probably a Kalashnikov (on single shot mode) judging from the half-inch deep and two-inch across holes in the concrete wall of the bedroom above ours, possibly a Takharov 30 MM pistol, popularly known as ‘TT Pistol’ in the Land of the Pure. There is more: at exactly 17:33 on Nov 28, 2009, I received a telephone call from a woman speaking in uneducated Urdu and using a mobile phone (0300-274-9185). She asked if I was Kamran Shafi. When I said I was, she said that what had happened to me last night was just the ‘trailer’ and that the complete movie would also be shown.

When I asked why any of this should happen, she said, ‘One does not spit in the plate one eats from’, and that if I was not careful about what I write I would soon see the complete movie. I am a pensioner of the Pakistan Army, getting the princely sum of Rs1,200 a month, by the way. FIR No 827 has been registered at the Wah Cantonment PS in which I have in an additional application said that I suspect an ‘agency’ of doing the deed. In it, up to our necks By Kamran Shafi
Tuesday, 01 Dec, 2009 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...

Pakistan Army is committing mistakes by repeated interference into the National politics and ignoring their own role of defending the nation ....But there are many dedicated and good people in it as well as in other Institutes of the country...

But the Army Generals are the worst lot and totally sold out..Just read this Piece by Kamran Shafi ( an Ex army officer) and you will be amazed

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...

Cmon, All those People who r against Pak Army !

First look at urself.

Look what ur so called democratic governments do when they are in power. Beleieve me or not one thing I can say for sure, that Pak Army will never take a single step which would not be in favour of this country. But ur political governments, would sell u and ur country for their personal benefits. You want examples, gift of IPPs from Benazir, gift of seperation of Bangladesh from Bhutto (and our poor illiterate people would put the blame on Pak Army, Lets leave Altaf Hussain, he doesn't even have the balls to come to Pakistan, Iftikhar Chaudry, have u forgotten once he took oath himself from Musharaf under PCO, and the list goes on.

I will not say that Pak Army is 100 % OK but in a comparison as a whole, it is far far better than other institutions. These ACs, DCs, EDOs, specially magistratets and civil judges are safely 80 % corrupt but on the other side Armed Forces are safely 80 % OK.

So, please open ur minds.

Regards to everyone.

But the “allegation” that Pushtun elements in Army and ISI had their way on Taliban, is a white lie and against the very policy of the state of pakistan. [Arman]
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Dear Sir,

Thanks for the compliment but I am not at all an Scholar but just a compiler and collector of Historical Facts.

Regarding Taliban I have just quoted the source and they could be wrong and could be right. Read Naseerullah Babar's interview on Afghan Mess, he himself admitted:

Research , questionnaire,typing and editing done by Major A.H AMIN (Retired),Tank Corps then Assistant Editor Defence Journal , Karachi, April 2001.

Major General (Retd) Naseerullah Khan Babar, Scandals & Shenanigans

http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/06/major-gen...

No doubt PPP was a victim of Military Establishment but, Sir, how would you justify the likes of General Tikka Khan [he was the Brigadier in late 50s and early 60s during Ayub's Martial Law and ruthlessly murdered Balochs in Military Operation and violated oath on Quran first by making fake promise to Nauroz Khan and his nephews for laying down weapons and later on all of them were hanged and then the same Tikka Khan butchered Bengalis and if that was not enough Bhutto made him COAS and then accepted him in PPP as General Secretary and Benazir appointed him Governor Punjab] and Naseerullah Babar [you may differ with MQM but the way Military, PPP and PML-N violated Law while dealing with MQM cannot be condoned] in PPP and worst fact that Rehman Malik [Naseerullah doesn't like him now in 2008] was his right hand man during 1994, 1995 and 1996.

Mr. Mughal

U are just a brilliant scholar and use research and book refernce in the discussion on the Army, Politics and role of variuos people and section of our society in formation and ruunning of one of the most important policy; Afghanuistan. Dera sir, i may not agree with u on two counts at least;

One, it is alleged that Benazir and NAseerullah Babar was the real architect of the Taliban Policy of pakisdtan. This is never backed by real worlds documentary evideneces. For a refernce, please read Zafar Hilali, who was advisor to then Prime Minister Benzair Bhutto on important issues relating to internal and external policies. This man has cleraly confeessed that Benazir had returned the file for "creation of Taliban and active Pakistani Support for the" initiated by the Ministry of Defence (read ISI and Security Establishment) through the Ministry of Interior. in this connnection, it was also told her by the security Czars that Americans were hugely interested in this project and as such this policy must be adoipted. Zafar Hilali has stated that the American Ambassador had also visited the BB for this purpose. She was visibly perturbed on the last day giving a go ahead nod to the then Security Czars. he further stated that whenb he discussed this with BB, she told him that she had no other option and that she will discuss this whole sorry episode with him later on. It is also on record that she was never in favor of such an enterprise. This statement of Zafar Hilali is also very close to reality as it is a well known fact that PP and its leaders are secular politicians and had never been in favor of religiuos party and its religiuos militant extensions. Secondly, PPP has been a victim of all those in the Security Establishment and Religiuos Parties who are known for beligirence and against progressive thinking and political freedom in the country. Then how come BB or PPP for that matter, support the creation and support for Taliban.

Secondly, you mentioned that Pushtun element in the Security Establishmenta nd the Religio-Political parties had their weay on the creation and support for the TAliban as all of the Taliban were Pushtuns. Also Pushtuns of Afghanistan, in the garb of Taliban, wanted to control Kabul, which was under the influence of Tajiks and other minorities. This a fake thinking based on wishful thinking and a figment of the thinking of those who do want to cloud reality in the garb of so many voices of confucion and misinformation. it is a reality that Pushtuns form only 4 % of the Army Cadre corpe and have never been in commond with regard to the formation and and coionception of policy. The allegy felt by the secuirty establishe,mnbet can weel be deciphred from the fact that All ISI chiefs during creation and sustennec of TAliban rule had ben punjabis. secondly, it may be true that some pushtun offices may have played a role during implememntation of the policy as it is known that low level officers are duty bound to perform their duties. But the "allegation" that Pushtun elements in Army and ISI had their way on Taliban, is a white lie and against the very policy of the state of pakistan.

I think it suffice.

Dr. Jawad,
it really is pleasing!

unaiza baji!
aap nay to riwayati auraton ki tarah kosna shuroo kar diya hay :)))

Ms. Kanwal

Well done. The alleged crime must be brought before the people. And it should be advertised as none get justice in the land of the pure by just becoming a silent victim.
If anyone has reservations about these allegations, let the course of justic has its way and should not be hampered by Army or others. Allegations must be proved or otherwise at the appropriate forum.

To Ms. Unaiza,
Yes Aunti,
U should love the army as like countless others in this land. But allegations of a crime should not be put on hold until the two officers involved get their job at IDPs camp done, or for that matter operation in Swat is completed.
A crime is a crime.It can be committed by any one for any reasons. we should respect soldires but should not condone their acts of bigotry and utter indiscipline in the performanec of duties even in the heat of a full fledged war with a foriegn army. Human rights and its respect is above everything. We dont need people above the law, as this statuts is given to the Lord, Almighty only.

Ms Kanwal, i salute ur courrage and support ur cause.

i read all the comments regarding army beaten up case, MY DEAR INNOCENT PAKISTANIS this civil servant and his wife who started up with this false propaganda on net and newspaper shows of their level of patience ang ugly face. in army a JCO is an officer, to whome mr civil servant humiliated, shook him off and abused. He should understand and feel some shame (which he might have now) that its army which always save you people asses, its army men giving their lives for its safety not these young boys writting on this blog blablabla.... u burger and pizza grown up boys u dont know ur worth , mail me i invite you to spend a night at glacier and a day in waziristan, at such places your moms wouldnt come to shuff a nipple in your mouth and you commenting on PAKISTAN ARMY, and mr civil servant u should stop asking your friends and family to participate here on this site, GROW UP MAN !!!!!!!!

Thanks for this one AM . I recently saw you on a channel and was quite impressed by your views. Though not necessarily that i agree to all you say but frankly why the evils of yesterday try to act saviors of today.

If they have learned anything from history , firstly admit the mistake openly and submit an apology to the nation and then try to act anti-taliban. We are not fools, we know who does what behind the curtains.

THIS I AM TALKING ABOUT THE WARDI-chumchaz

Since the ARMY created this evil , it should handle it and eliminate it now and if in doing so it has to sacrifice jawanz we share the sorrow but that doesnt mean we shun our eyes from blindness. Dear ARMY your created the evil now you should pay the price, not the NATION. Unfortunately the nations is being made to pay the bulk of the price by this bhikari movement of donations (awaam ke naam pe) from USA and EU and even then half-heart (o please dont give me the list of captains or majors killed in operation, its collateral damage idiot) operation.

If our establishment is interested in us to believe its serious in this operation it must REVERSE all the evil it started in 80s.

These clumsy LAL MASJID type actions or the one in sawat can fool the ordinary ones not "THE ONEs who UNDERSTAND the GAME".

@noman - i guess the last this TALIBAN evil was created by your own wardi walaz [MB]
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Dear Sir,

You are correct 100%.

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“The policy for the support of the Taliban was apparently conceived by Gen. (retd) Naseerullah Babar, the Interior Minister during the PPP regime and had the support of the Jamiat-i-Ulema-i-Islam (JUI) led by Maulana Fazalur-Rehamn which controlled the bulk of those Deeni Madressahs in the NWFP and Baluchistan.The transporters, drug mafias, other extremist Sunni organisations like the Sipah-i-Sahaba,(SSP) Lashka-e-Jhangvi,(LJ), Tehreek-i-Nifaz-i-Shariat-Mohammadi, (TNSM) also supported the policy. The Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and the foreign office were apparently divided and were late converts to the policy. Gen. (retd) Naseerullah Babar was the in-charge of the Afghan policy during former Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhuttto’s rule (1971-77) and had masterminded the arming of the Afghan opposition led by Hikmatyar and Ahmed Shah Masood against Sardar Daud’s regime (1973-1978). With Benazir Bhutto in power in 1993, he was entrusted with the task of reopening the route to Central Asian Republics through Afghanistan. He negotiated with the Afghan warlords to open the Quetta-Chaman-Kandahar-Herat route to Turkmenistan. The Pakistani convoy was stopped by the warlords in September 1994, which was freed by the Talibans. Many observers believe that Pakistan, having seen the potential of the nascent movement of the Taliban, began to support the movement which paved the way for their swift victories in Afghanistan.

The Deeni Madressahs led by the JUI (F) provided the manpower. Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman, a close ally of the PPP who had been made the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee of Foreign Affairs, also played a key role in garnering the support for the Taliban in the corridors of power. Various Pakistani governmental organisations like the PTCL, Railway, PIA and Ministry of Communications provided the infrastructural assistance to the Taliban. The ISI began to provide military supplies, logistical support, technical know how and the extensive knowledge of the Afghan situation.Apparently, the ISI and the foreign office were reluctant to support the Taliban in the beginning because of their potential implications for the broad-based political settlement in Afghanistan, however, fastly changing ground realities in the favour of Taliban forced them to shift their policies and throw their weight in the favour of the Taliban.

Gen. (Retd.) Naseerullah Babar and the military officers in ISI were motivated by the Pushtun ethnicity and viewed Talibans as the “Pushtun proxies” They wanted to revive the Pushtun fortunes in Afghanistan. It was first time that Kabul was being controlled by the Tajiks and it was painful for the Pushtuns to see Kabul under their control. The JUI (F) the JUI (S) and other extremist Sunni organisations like SSP, LJ,TNSM viewed Taliban’s victories as the Deobandi’s revolution and expected the same kind of revolution in Pakistan.The transporters’ lobbies in Pakistan considered Taliban as a god-given saviour who were instrumental in removing the barriers on the roads in Afghanistan. They were sick of paying to the multitudes of Afghan warlords, who had virtually paralysed their business. The drug dealers also saw their vested interest in supporting the Taliban as they only demanded the tax on their product and had little qualm about the international concerns regarding drug controls.Consequences of the PolicyApparently, the policy of support for the Taliban appeared well suited for Pakistan’s strategic, economic and political interests. The Talibans were controlling more than 90 per cent of Afghanistan and had pushed their rivals, Northern Alliance, to the wall.

They had been recognised by Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. and were in the process of negotiating their recognition with the United States. However, there were serious long-term negative consequences of this policy for Afghanistan, Pakistan, the regional countries and the rest of the world, which had not been properly thought through while formulating the policy.The policy of support for the Taliban alienated other Afghan ethnic groups to the degree where the goal of a broad-based government became impossible to achieve. The very nature of the Taliban regime and their policies created severe problems for Pakistan as its polity, economy, and foreign policy began to be affected by the Taliban policies. The non-compromising attitude of the Taliban regime created difficulties for Pakistan with the United States and Saudi Arabia, eventually leading them to turn against Taliban. The ideology of Taliban alarmed Iran, Russia, Central Asian republics who began to support anti-Taliban forces actively.

First important lesson is that if the pros and cons of significant decisions are not thought through, the country has to suffer the consequences of the policy. Contrary to the widely held perception about the dominant role of the ISI in the making of the Afghan policy, the policy of the support of the Taliban was in fact conceived by Gen. (Retd.) Naseerullah Babar, the Interior Minister during the PPP regime (1993-1996). The Taliban policy was a civilian initiative possibly against the wishes of the ISI and the foreign office who wanted to continue the policy of seeking a broad-based settlement. However, the Pushtun element within the PPP, and later the military was able to push their way through to top echelon of power and succeeded in making it a Pakistan’s policy with disastrous consequences for Afghanistan and Pakistan and the regional countries. It is surprising that the decision-makers overlooked the nature of Taliban’s ideology, their social base, their implications for the Afghan society and their possible impact for Pakistan. Taliban’s extremely narrow vision of Islam put them in clash with all the non-Pushtun minorities of the Afghan society pushing them into the arms of the foreign powers, stirred the wave of Talibanisation in the NWFP and Blauchistan leading to increasing conflict and violence in the Pakistani society and sent shockwaves in the regional countries, Iran, China, Russia and Central Asia republics.Secondly, their appeared a lack of coordination at the decision-making level among the different bodies. Interior Ministry, Parliamentary Committee, the Political Parties and Different lobbies had their own agenda. The ISI and the Foreign Office had their own policies. The ISI remained divided and continued backing both Hikmatyar and Taliban till the fall of Kabul in 1996.

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Development of Pakistan’s Foreign Policy:

Case Study No.3 Case Study on Pakistan’s Recognition of Taliban

http://www.ghalib.com/democracy/Foreign%20Policy/c...

Afghanistan — not so great games Columnist Hamid Hussain does a detailed analysis of the present situation

http://www.defencejournal.com/2002/april/games.htm

noman is already a grown up ......

@noman
i guess the last this TALIBAN evil was created by your own wardi walaz
Why you trying to act alien to them by your stupid sarcastic commentary on DOC. Who funds train and harbor the militant camps and what ISI does it a universal truth. If you dont know that, its your problem. You sound like a street kid be adding DOC to talibanz etc. You dont even know his ideological stance on such issues. just because his father happen to be from PTI and just because PTI has a soft stance on TALIBAN doesnt mean you try to manipulate facts.

Grow up

@DOC
" With all your outpouring of loyalty to the . . .
. . . while the borders are being outrun by drones and other equipment courtesy of ‘outsiders'"

O MA GOD !!
TM blasted the wardi fellows :)

Officers below colonel are mostly fine
Above that go nuts
Its not the mistake of the jawanz
Its actually the ARMY system that somehow makes small kids from villages in PAKISTAN act like GODs in wardi

- - ITS ALL ABOUT that BULLSHIT system -

Had Quaid been alive they would get them back to their skin, now along with the politicians and the feudal class they are the KINGs and

so

bear them for now

Amir Mughal, My applogies, I didn’t realize that we Pakistanis are made of “Chikni Mitti” and “Kalam-e-narm o Nazuk , Bey-Asar”.My bad.[Ajmal]

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Dear Ajmal Sahab,

For your kind perusal,

Why Musharraf alone? By Murtaza Razvi Thursday, 30 Jul, 2009 | 08:27 AM PST |

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...

Public memory anywhere is short-lived. In Pakistan it is also steered by the shortsightedness of those who insist on erasing it from the record altogether. The transition to democracy is hardly a fait accompli as we speak. Democratic institutions weakened by Gen Musharraf’s tinkering with the constitution are far from being stable entities today. While anyone in their right mind must blame the general for the mess at hand, the judiciary should also show the moral courage to shoulder its part of the blame.

The fact that it was the Supreme Court headed by the same honourable chief justice which gave Gen Musharraf the right to amend the constitution single-handedly in May 2000 cannot be overlooked. This was far more than what the then chief executive had expected to get from the apex court; he had just sought indemnity for the circumstances under which the Oct 12, 1999 coup took place. The general himself did not stage the coup from mid-air, aboard a PIA commercial flight which was not even in Pakistani airspace when the 111 Brigade struck to depose the prime minister.

Amir Mughal,

My applogies, I didn't realize that we Pakistanis are made of "Chikni Mitti" and "Kalam-e-narm o Nazuk , Bey-Asar".

My bad.

@amir musghal!

aata hay sultani e jamhoor ka zamana
jo naqsh e kohan tum ko nazar aaey mita do

to read your plethora of consipracy theories. [Ajmal]

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Dear Ajmal Sahab,

These are also not from my blog rather news from Daily Newspapers!!!!

A glimpse right after 9/11:

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"ISI Chief Lt-Gen. Mahmoud's week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council. Officially, he is on a routine visit in return to CIA Director George Tenet's earlier visit to Islamabad. Official sources confirm that he met Tenet this week. He also held long parleys with unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon. But the most important meeting was with Marc Grossman, U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. One can safely guess that the discussions must have centred around Afghanistan . . . and Osama bin Laden. What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time Ziauddin Butt, Mahmoud's predecessor, was here, during Nawaz Sharif's government, the domestic politics turned topsy-turvy within days." [Amir Mateen, ISI Chief's Parleys continue in Washington, News Pakistan, 10 September 2001.]

In the afternoon, Mahmood was invited to CIA headquarters at Langley, Virginia, where he told George Tenet, the CIA director, that in his view Mullah Omar, the Taliban chief, was a religious man with humanitarian instincts and not a man of violence! This was a bit difficult for the CIA officials to digest and rightly so as the Taliban’s track record, especially in the realm of human rights, was no secret. General Mahmood was told politely but firmly that Mullah Omar and the Taliban would have to face US Military might if Osama Bin Laden along with other Al-Qaeda leaders were not handed over without delay. To send the message across clearly, Richard Armitage held a second meeting with Mahmood the same day, informing him that he would soon be handed specific American demands, to which Mahmood reiterated that Pakistan would cooperate. {Bush at War by Bob Woodward, published by Simon & Schuster, 2002, New York}, p 32. {Pakistan: Eye of the Storm by Owen Bennett Jones, published by New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 2002}, p. 2.

General Mahmood on September 13, 2001, was handed a formal list of the US demands by Mr. Armitage and was asked to convey these to Musharraf and was also duly informed, for the sake of emphasis, that these were “not negotiable.” Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, and the assisstant secretary of state, Christina Rocca, had drafted the list in the shape of a “non-paper”. It categorically asked Pakistan:

Stop Al-Qaeda operatives coming from Afghanistan to Pakistan, intercept arms shipments through Pakistan, and end ALL logistical support for Osama Bin Laden.

Give blanket overflight and landing rights to US aircraft.

Give the US access to Pakistani Naval and Air Bases and to the border areas betweeen Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Turn over all the intelligence and immigration information.

Condemn the September 11 attacks and curb all domestic expressions of support for terrorism.

Cut off all shipments of fuel to the Talibans, and stop Pakistani volunteers from going into Afghanistan to join the Taliban. Note that, should the evidence strongly implicate Osama Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan, and should the Taliban continue to harbour him and his accomplices, Pakistan will break diplomatic relations with the Taliban regime, end support for the Taliban, and assist the US in the aforementioned ways to destroy Osama and his network.

Having gone through the list, Mahmood declared that he was quite clear on the subject and that “he knew how the President thought, and the President would accept these points.” {Bush at War by Bob Woodward, published by Simon & Schuster, 2002, New York}, p 58-59. Interview: Richard Armitage, “Campaign Against Terror,” PBS (Frontline), April 19, 2002}

Mahmood then faxed the document to Musharraf. While the latter was going through it and in the process of weighing the pros and cons of each demand, his aide de camp that Colin Powell was on the line. Musharraf liked and respected Powell, and the conversation was not going to be a problem. He told him that he understood and appreciated the US position, but he would respond to the US demands after having discussed these with his associates. Powell was far too polite to remind him that he in fact was the government, but did inform him that his General in Washington had already assured them that these demands would be acceptable to the government of Pakistan. {Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism : Allah, the Army, and America’s War on Terror by Hassan Abbas, published by An East Gate Book , M.E. Sharpe Armonk, New York. London, England.}.

'Wo eent se eent baja dein gay’, ISI DG told Musharraf Monday, September 25, 2006

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006...

WASHINGTON : Richard Armitage, Daily Times can confirm, did not use the words attributed to him by President Pervez Musharraf in a CBS 60 Minutes interview, namely that unless Pakistan did American bidding, it will be bombed into the “stone age”. However, neither the President of Pakistan, nor Richard Armitage, who has denied using such language, nor President Bush who said he was “taken aback” when he learnt what had been said, is being untruthful. What actually happened was that after his meeting with Richard Armitage, Lt Gen Mahmood Ahmed – who now wears a long, white beard and has reportedly gone Tableeghi – called Gen Musharraf from the Pakistan embassy in Washington. The conversation took place in Urdu and when the president asked him what the bottom line of the American message was, Gen Mahmood replied in Urdu that the Americans were intent on the removal of the Taliban regime and would not let Pakistan stand in their way and if Pakistan did not fall in line and cooperate, “wo hamari eent se eent baja dey gain” or words to that effect. That being so, President Musharraf’s recollection of the conversation with Gen Mahmood, who was then the director general of the ISI, is accurate, only he translated into English what he had been told in Urdu. It is time for Gen Mahmood to go on record and reproduce exactly the words in which he conveyed the Armitage message to Gen Musharraf on that September day five years ago. khalid hasan

to read your plethora of consipracy theories. [Ajmal]
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Dear Ajmal Sahab,

For your kind perusal,

May please be read in the light of the subject of the topic and its not from my blog.

Pakistani Military used to Support Taliban, Several Sectarian Outfits and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba before 911? And while the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi stand officially disbanded, their most militant son and leader, Maulana Azam Tariq, an accused in several cases of sectarian killing, contested elections from jail - albeit as an independent candidate - won his seat, and was released on bail shortly thereafter. Musharraf rewrote election rules to disqualify former Prime Ministers Mohammed Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, and threatened to toss them in jail if they returned from abroad, which badly undermined both Nawaz Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League and Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP). Musharraf has plainly given the religious groups more free rein in the campaign than he has allowed the two big parties that were his main rivals. In Jhang city, in Punjab province, Maulana Azam Tariq, leader of an outlawed extremist group called Sipah-e-Sahaba, which has been linked to numerous sectarian killings, is being allowed to run as an independent despite election laws that disqualify any candidate who has criminal charges pending, or even those who did not earn a college degree. "It makes no sense that Benazir can't run in the election," says one Islamabad-based diplomat, "and this nasty guy can."

References: And this takes me back to Pervez Musharraf’s first visit to the US after his coup. At a meeting with a group of journalists among whom I was present, my dear and much lamented friend Tahir Mirza, then the Dawn correspondent, asked Musharraf why he was not acting against Lashkar-e Tayba and Jaish-e Muhammad. Musharraf went red in the face and shot back, “They are not doing anything in Pakistan. They are doing jihad outside.”

Pakistani neocons and UN sanctions Khalid Hasan This entry was posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 6:00 pm.

http://www.khalidhasan.net/2008/12/28/pakistani-ne...

For The 'General' Good By Sairah Irshad Khan Monthly Newsline January 2003

http://www.newsline.com.pk/newsJan2003/cover1jan20... -

General's Election By TIM MCGIRK / KHANA-KHEL Monday, Oct. 07, 2002

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,3...

Bhi Amir Mughal,

Your absence was a a great pleasure. Looks like you spend less time on your own blog and more time on Teethos blogs...or you simply post your blogs here too....

Honestly, no one has time to read your plethora of consipracy theories. People have other important things in life to read or care about.

If you can not make a point in 3,4 lines, please be polite to others and refrain from posting your blogs as comments here.

These TV Journalists [Salim Safi Type] of nowadays don't even bother to even read the past history of the person they usually interview and that was the case of Brigadier Imtiaz in GEO TV Program Jirga.

Ex-IB chief gets eight years' RI in graft case by Staff
Reporter - DAWN WIRE SERVICE - Week Ending : 4 August 2001 Issue : 07/31 http://www.lib.virginia.edu/area-studies/SouthAsia...

RAWALPINDI, July 31: Former Intelligence Bureau chief Brig Imtiaz Ahmad was sentenced to eight years' rigorous imprisonment and fined Rs7.1 million in a corruption case, by the Judge, accountability court III, Sakhi Hussain Bokhari.

The co-accused, Adnan A. Khwaja, was awarded two years' RI and fined Rs200,000 and Nadeem Imtiaz,son of the ex-IB chief, was sentenced to three years' RI under, section 31(a) of the NAB Ordinance, in absentia. The court directed Brig Imtiaz, who served as the director-general, IB, during the Nawaz Sharif government, to pay the fine within one month. He court also ordered forfeiture of all the properties, acquired in his name or in the name of his dependants, in favour of the government.

The Islamabad properties, which will be confiscated, include house No 286 F-10/4, unit No 2 and 9, at I-S Plaza, F-10 Markaz; house No 7, Street No 20, F-7/2; and house No 6 on the 9th avenue, F-8/2.

The court granted the benefit of section 382(b) to both the
convicts, which means that the conviction will be counted from May 26, 2000, the day on which the former IB chief was arrested. Brig Imtiaz was charged with amassing assets, both movable and immovable, which were disproportionate to his known source of income. The properties were in his own name and in the names of his wife, son ( Nadeem) and his front men, including Adnan and approvers Abdul Ghaffar Chauhan and Shamshad Ali.

The accused had also acquired properties as Benamidars and
possessed foreign exchange bearer certificates, worth Rs20 million, which had been encashed by him, according to the case. Later, Brig Imtiaz told reporters that he would challenge his conviction in the high court, and added that, in his view, the punishment awarded by the court was quite stringent.

He claimed that his conscience was clear as he had never committed any crime or compromised on principles. "During my 17 years of professional career, I served this country without fear or favour and countered both internal and external threats against the country and never allowed my personal interest or family matters to interfere in my duties," he observed. He said he had no remorse for the troubles he was in or hardships his family was facing, because he had always considered his job a sacred duty.

WHAT HAS DA ISPR TO SAY ABOUT THIS

@amir mughal!
suck the brain out.

some body is not feeling well.
ha ha ha

yaar bhai bus karo these army men are our brothers ager sagay nahi tu muslim bhai tu hain. [Love Pak Army]

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Dear Sir,

No doubt Army is an essential institution for any country but Poor Pakistani People dont pay them for doing and saying this!! Hamid Gul thinks that Brigadier Imtiaz [who was once under Gul] works for Jews????

ISLAMABAD: Former Chief of the Inter-Services Intelligence Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul said the Jews have played a role in the campaign initiated by Brig. Imtiaz Billa to demonize him.

Read the details of Dirty Work:

General (R) Hamid Gul, Brigadier (R) Imtiaz & Jews

http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/07/general-r...

Dear Love Pak Army,

I was referring to some Corrupt Officers of Pakistan Army not the common soldiers [Poor and Hapless]

For your kind perusal,

Late. General Asif Nawaz Janjua, NI(M), SBt (Bar), afwc, psc (3 January 1937 - 8 January 1993) was the 10th Chief of Army Staff of the Pakistan Army from August 16, 1991 till January 8, 1993.The untimely demise of General Asif Nawaz fuelled much controversy, with FIRs being filed against Brigadier Imtiaz, the then Director Intelligence Bureau. The issue gathered momentum following General Nawaz's widow Nuzhat Janjua's filed a formal complaint to the then President Ghulam Ishaq Khan about the unnatural circumstances surrounding her husband's death.

The Chief of Army Staff, General Asif Nawaz had begun to feel upset at many of Sharif's moves, most significant of them being his attempts to create rifts within the Army. Chaudhry Nisar Ahmad and Brig. Imtiaz, the former ISI chief, were even accused by the late General of threatening to turn him into another Gul Hasan, the army chief who was sacked by Z.A. Bhutto and bundled into a car by Ghulam Mustafa Khar and taken to Lahore by road. It is said that just when General Mirza Aslam Beg was about to topple Nawaz Sharif at the fag end of his tenure in 1991, President Ghulam Ishaq Khan agreed to name General Asif Nawaz as the new COAS, three months before he was to take over. Just when General Asif Nawaz was getting seriously worried about the Nawaz Sharif government, he died quite suddenly in January, 1993Reference: Saga of intrigue and deceit by Shaheen Shebai - Dawn - 27.5.1993 / ISLAMIC PAKISTAN: ILLUSIONS & REALITY By Abdus Sattar Ghazali

Genuine differences of opinion are one thing but when professional and personal jealousies cloud the thinking of the intelligence officers, the working relations can breakdown very quickly paralyzing the whole organization. One outgoing Director of Counter Intelligence Bureau of ISI (Tirmazi) has these words for his successor (Imtiaz), ‘I would personally inclined to agree that General Akhtar, to square-off some of his personal grievances against General Chisti, could have asked my successor, Brigadier Imtiaz to place General under occasional watch. Imtiaz was the kind who was always on the lookout to undertake such dirty jobs’. Immersed in self-righteous attitude, deterioration of professional codes and clouding of perspectives of intelligence officers can occur quite dramatically. One example will show the slippery slope of such intelligence matters. Colonel Shuja Khanzada served in ISI for 12 years. In the last two years of his service, he was posted to a cushy appointment in Pakistan embassy in Washington. He had some differences with the ambassador and was called back to Pakistan in 1994 on orders of then Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. Politicization of intelligence officers in inevitable when they are tasked with political duties while wearing the uniform. After shedding their uniform, these officers align with various political actors for political and personal reasons. Lt. General Khawaja Muhammad Azhar served in ISI during General Muhammad Ayub Khan’s Martial Law. In this capacity, he personally interrogated many prominent people who were not considered loyal to Ayub. After retirement he joined a religio-political party Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Pakistan and served as the party’s Secretary General and Vice President. Former DG ISI Hameed Gul, former Additional Director of Political wing of ISI Brigadier Imtiaz Ahmad and head of Islamabad section Major Amir were involved in cobbling the opposition to Pakistan’s Peoples Party. Later, they were implicated in trying to organize a no confidence motion against first Benazir government (1988-1990). Reference: Brigadier ® Syed A. I. Tirmazi. Profiles of Intelligence. (Lahore: Combined Printers, 1995, Second Edition)/Pakistan: State at a Crossroads by Mohsin Hamid

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great interview by dear musharraf yesterday @ aaj.lets c him come back and rescue pakistan once again frm the current depths of despair.
answered all allegations beautifully esp bijli chori & lal mosque.
salute to the heroes of pakistan army who embraced shahadat in lal mosque operation, swat , fata & elsewhere.
salute to all the civillians who have put pakistan first. down with all the KHABEES as stated by musharraf be it in lal mosque or anywhere else in pakistan
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civillian pen pushers like our so called azad judiciary has declared the man guity before trial...wow.
kia adal hai
the nutty judge frm lhr and the still nutier choudharies and ramdays including their paisa bhai lord nazir are really doing halal with the money benefits taken from nawaz sharif.
in sub k nazdeek pakistan waqai khappay
economy down frm 8 to 2 % ...what an acheivement.
if we talk abt justice and believe that martial laws and pcos are wrong then iftikhar ch shd be tried under article 6 for abetting a crime by declaring musharraf step of overthrowing nawaz as vaild.
tab cheif justice bana tha ab bhi nokri piyari hai.

what a mockery when the courts are already sold out . what a mockery they are again trying to focus on non issues just to please their pay masters.
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sufi muhammad arrested .
lets hope he along with all mullahas criminal who work against pakistan are hung in public. treason is a high crime.
the govt says tht their mukadmas cases should b run in sharaee courts hahaha . lets hope they include all shariat loving molvis i.e the socalled ninja turtles hero molvi burqa etc etc...
but maybe they want only their own shariat which promotes suicide bombing, slaughtering , abduction burning etc etc
now lets c them objecting to any lesser punishment than the ones which they chose for others.

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really sorry 4 all issb rejects :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0

yaar bhai bus karo these army men are our brothers ager sagay nahi tu muslim bhai tu hain. and v all are not inocent. ask the mothers of these guy what happens when they go in field. you are sitting in your AC rooms and commenting kabhi 10 min dhoop main baitho tu pata chalay. and these men are living away from their beloved families which sometimes make them frustrated. you yourself think how many timea aday you abuse the person weaker than you did any one tried slaping a man sitting in BMW everyone kicks the ass of bicycle rider. you urself abuse the person if he comes infront of ur car and doesnt giv you the way. may be their was a same reason wich made them frustrated.

More on Hussain Haqqani, Brigadier Imtiaz and Farooq Laghari:

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Twelve years later, murder of the ‘Prince’ remains a mystery By Aroosa Masroor Saturday, September 20, 2008

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=1369...

Five months later in February 1997, Benazir Bhutto, clarified the same before a three-member judicial tribunal headed by Justice Nasir Aslam Zahid, as a witness. She accused President Farooq Leghari of using Brig Imtiaz, who led an intelligence agencies, of hatching a conspiracy against the Bhuttos and especially to incite hatred against her. “First they killed Shahnawaz and blamed Murtaza for his murder and now they have targeted him and my husband, Zardari, is being co-accused,” she was stated as saying.

New NA sets anti-Musharraf tone, softly but firmly Tuesday, March 18, 2008 http://www.thenews.com.pk/print3.asp?id=13629

Haqqani, a lethal propagandist, closely worked with Nawaz for years, but the latter’s well-placed distrust led him to get rid of Haqqani during his rule in a decent manner. There are multitudes of interesting anecdotes involving Haqqani, who does too many things at a time. Way back in 1993, to get him out of his office, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had appointed his special assistant on foreign media Haqqani as Pakistan’s high commissioner to Sri Lanka. At the time, the tension between Nawaz and the then chief of the Army staff Gen Asif Nawaz Janjua was at its peak and both sides were mulling extreme action to ditch the other. When Haqqani had met Intelligence Bureau (IB) Director Brig (retd) Imtiaz during his customary calls on important government personalities before taking his ambassadorial assignment, the IB chief gave him a highly loaded written questionnaire with a recording device to be secretly used by him when he would meet the Army chief a few days later. He was asked to bring the recorded answers to him. As Haqqani entered the general’s room at the General Headquarters for the call on him, he put the recording instrument and questions before him, saying he had been given all this by Imtiaz and forced to secretly record his answer. This further fuelled tension between the two."

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Brig Imtiaz granted bail on medical groundsBy Our Staff Reporter May 22, 2002

http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/22/nat47.htm

LAHORE, May 21: Intelligence Bureau former director Brig Imtiaz (retired) was on Tuesday allowed bail on medical grounds by an accountability appellate bench of the Lahore High Court.He was asked to execute two bail bonds in the sum of Rs20 million each and his name was ordered to be placed on the exit control list. Serving term at Adiala Jail, Brig Imtiaz said in his application that he was suffering from angina and other ailments which could not be treated in the jail hospital.He was convicted by a Rawalpindi accountability court for possessing property entirely beyond known sources of his income.

Shame on The News International as well:

How a jilted Karachi woman saved Pak N-programme

thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22396

MINOR CORRECTION:

Dick Cheney & Cover-Up!

On the Nuclear Edge published on March 29, 1993,

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1993/03/29/1993_0...

Cheney Helped Cover-Up Nuclear Proliferation in 1989, So Pentagon Could Sell Pakistan Fighter Jets By JASON LEOPOLD

Courtesy: Counterpunch [March 2004]

URL: http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold03082004.html

Dear Alvi Sahab,

This Brigadier mentioned below was fooling everybody on GEO TV in its program Jirga whereas the numskull host Salim Safi was “Summun, Bukmun, Umyun. At the end of the program Brigadier Imtiaz had again boasted that if he is given another chance, he will again distribute money amongst politicians [like in Mehran Bank Scam] to "save the country" and Salim Safi 'forgot' to ask this question about this news which was relayed by the same GEO TV. By the way Kamran Khan is the creation of Brigadier Imtiaz.

IHC acquits Brig. (R) Imtiaz under NRO Updated at: 1902 PST, Thursday, December 04, 2008

ISLAMABAD: Islamabad High Court (IHC) has exonerated former chief of intelligence bureau, Brig. (Retd.) Imtiaz in illegal assets reference under NRO and also de-frozen his assets. FIA filed cases against Brig. (Retd.) Imtiaz, his son Nadeem and a man named Adnan Khawaja who were later convicted by an Accountability court. Brig. (Retd.) Imtiaz was charged with allegations of owning more assets than what his earnings can justify and that he acquired those assets through unscrupulous means.

Newspaper of GEO TV have no sense at all on one hand they relay above news and on other they also 'publish' this to clean the track record of Brigadier Imtiaz:

Read and Lament [Brigadier Tirmizi had thoroughly exposed these bunch of James Bond i.e. Brigadier Imtiaz, Hamid Gul, Major Amir and General Akhter Abdul Rahman, in his book Profile of Intelligence and by the way Tirmizi was number 2 in ISI much before Brigadier Imtiaz. Brigadier Imtiaz's had gotten his Tamgha Basalat through "Sifarish" and that is also mentioned in Profile of Intelligence and involvement of Hamid Gul in Narcotics Trade.

Shame on The News International as well:

How a jilted Karachi woman saved Pak N-programme

thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22396

Comment by Unaiza Fatima on July 20, 2009 @ 12:37 pm
One can very well analyse the mental status and moral standard of those who are opposing Pak Army. Good job. This forum is the best place to prove that.

yup totally agreed!!!!!!! thts why i keep telling the same to all those who abuse.

sorry unaiza u were right it was only in english paper 16%..i believe he was passed in other subjects..maybe on the borderline

exactly

apnai khabar tou sun li ho gi
apk aik aur molana abdul aziz qali pagri walay jo lal masjid k operation mai directly ghazi aur burqa bhai k spokes man bhi thay aur bahir rotay bhi rahay ...ajj arrest ho gayay....polish engineer ko zibah karnay k jurm mai...

ab dekhain sharaee adaltain sharaee jhatkay zati dusmanon ko lagati hai ya mujrimon ko

waisay apko imam e Qaaba k khiyalat parh k sharmindi aur mayusi tou kafi hui ho gi....jo k apki ayein bayein shayein sai zahir bhi hai

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p.s unaiza ch arsalan secured 16 marks not 16 %

sorry 4 all issb rejects :)

noman!
yeh supreme court ka chanta hay.tthaaaa kar kay lagta hay.sharminda bhee bohat karta hay aur ronay bhee naheen deta.
zor ka jhatka....dheeeeeeray say lagay.
ha ha ha ha

dactar sahab apkay swati taliban ko apni bharpoor pitai k bad apki madad ki zarorat hai...app aur apkay mazeed burqa posh jahadi jayein aur poora maza lain inshallah pak fauj apko mayus nahi karay gi aur chataaaaaakh patakhhhhhhh har us jaga karay gi jo apko bohat pasand hain.umeed hai app samjh gayay hon gai :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

iss par apki sharaeeeee supreme court kiun khamosh hai???????
mayb cj fauj k sath hai
ya
fauj cj k sath hai

jaisay app saal bhar sai meray kisi sawal ka jawab nahi dai sakay unaizak questions ( which reflect my opinion) ko parhnay k bad bhi app bhaglain hi jhank rahaey hain...

abhi support mai dactar sahib and inn ki tarh k alim fazil sharaee galam galoch karnay wali apni aukat k sath bahir ajaeyin gai

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no probs!!!!!!! pak fauj zindabad
sorry for all issb rejects:))))))))))))))))

"I hope Munawwar Hassan will reply to the allegation of Brigadier Imtiaz"

syed munawwar hassan ko koee aur kam naheen hay?

Brigadier Imtiaz had openly alleged that Jamat-e-Islami top leadership had accepted Secret Fund from ISI in 1988/1990. I hope Munawwar Hassan will reply to the allegation of Brigadier Imtiaz.

Re:The Hoodlumism of Army Officers and the Blatant Lack of Accountability

Dear Alvi Sahab,

This Brigadier mentioned below was fooling everybody on GEO TV in its program Jirga whereas the numskull host Salim Safi was "Summun, Bukmun, Umyun. The same Brigadier Imtiaz in 2008 had given a complete different interview on 16 and 17 February 2008 on Dawn News Channel Special Program on Election Rigging by ISI. Read..

Brigadier Retd. Imtiaz: Another Multifaceted Fraud.

http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/07/brigadier...

Listen to this interview and pay attention to Haroon Rashid's question...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/ondemand/urdu/m...

Now Brig Imtiaz too has dis-owned Taliban (Afghan Taliban not Pak Taliban) and he conveniently termed them as American Pedawar....Dear Brig who fed you when they were being created????How did you get these big full furnished mansions????

They are not ready to accept their own failures, rather every one who opposes them (PAK ARMY) is just an AGENT OF FOREIGN POWERS, sometimes America, sometimes India....Don't you guys get tired of this rhetoric????

unaiza aunty,

I agree with your statement that in Pakistan, every body abuses his authority be it a milkman, postman or army men.

But does that mean that we should accept it as a norm and not speak against it?

Our love for Pakistan does not mean that we turn a blind eye to the abuses and corruption of the SACRED Pakistan Army rather our love for this country makes us to pray that Allah cleanse this army from filth, Ameen.

Jawad ji
The law however does exclude CJs son Arsalan Iftikhar who enjoys a very lucrid goverment post despite failing the CSS exam twice and scoring awesome 16percent in English. And could you please tell me if you can mess with any PMLN, PPP, MQM, JI, etc activist, not to mention a higher figure, and get yourself spared? I remember a few weeks back a traffic police sergeant was beaten by a ghunda lawyer from the Lawyers movt on just performing his duty. And why forget the loathsome A.A. Kurd who threatened to torch the Supreme court of Pakistan during lawyers street agitation? Is he above the law?
The thing is that they all are the product of this same corrupt society me and you are a part of. That is my point.

Unaiza baji, Drone main tu koi baitha bhi nahee hota, Remote Control say Ura rahay hotay hain, aur yaad hai mujhay wo Chief Of Air Staff Rao Qamar Suleman ka Statement (Yai Hifazat karnay walai hain) :D, aur meray dehshatgardoon nay tu apnay say bari fauj say panga laikar kuch tu bahaduri dikhayi hai na (Hatyaar nahee dalai hain un logo nay), 90000 kai bhangiyoon ki tarha, waisay baath meray Dehshatgard dostoon ki nahee ho rahee baath ho rahi thee, Mr Ali Anan Qamar ki ju kai Pakistani Civilian hai.

Ek Gira du Drone aur keh doo US say kai ghalati say Girr Gaya aur Maafi bhi maang loo tu main maan jaonga kai nahee ab bhi kuch damm hai Bhangiyooon main.

So a corrupt army officer being in uniform and having gun is more dangerous than a corrupt civil bureaucrat in an office with a pen?

ofcourse army officer is more dangerous because he is above the law.you can bring any civilian beurocrate to the justice,you can have a trial against him,you can punish him, you can distrain his property BUT you can not touch an army officer. you can't even ask him the questions.
any complain against such officer is just a wastage of time and efforts because you are a "bloody civilian" and you have no right to complain against "god send" army officer.

"Aap ke dost dehshatgardon ka bhurkas nikal dia masha Allah hamari fouj ne. Aur kitni bahaduri chahiye?

kisi foj say larhna naheen hay.kisi ko marna naheen hay.
bas drone ko girana hay. ho sakay ga???

Jawwad ji
This list is not the answer to my question.

and persistant violation of constitution of pakistan.
(violation of the oath)

"you are yourself bhangi as you suggest"

unaiza baji!
aap nay to riwayati auraton ki tarah kosna shuroo kar diya hay :)))
i get these ideas when i see the news about land scams, soldiers running the businesses in cities,rtd army officers
on key civilian posts, family of rtd generals living in posh areas of europe, multi million dollars assets of military officers and YET no accountability.
killing the innocent civillians by the reckless and barbaric use of force against millitant.
use of phosphorus bombs,tanks and mortars against women and children of jamia hafsa.
killing of akbar bugti while polticial ways were intact.
the life inside the cantonment and outside the cantonment which provokes the anti army sentiments and sepratist tendencies in the remote areas of sindh, balochistan and NWFP.
we lost our eastern part because of colonial mentality moral decay of pakistan army and use of force with out the court martial of any army officer.
tendency of pakistan army to resolve the restlessness in balochistan against unjustified distibution of wealth and resources with the force.
stories,myths and songs of bravery while failure to stop the drone attacks which is the main reason of turmoil in tribal belt.
selling helpless and innocent civilians to the USA just for dollars.
ever ready to serve their american msters just to get the dollars and good life after retirement.
what is our respect in international community (not more than a foot licking dog)

these are not ideas unaiza baji.
these are shamefull and disgusting ground realities.

Imran bhai
Aap ke dost dehshatgardon ka bhurkas nikal dia masha Allah hamari fouj ne. Aur kitni bahaduri chahiye? Secondly, Indian Army is three times as powerful as ours. It is unrealistic to suggest winning against them. Minimum deterrence is what we expect and this is what we have. When you yourself will be able to claim fighting three people and defeating them, then you can expect the same from Pakistan Army. If you cannot claim to win three attackers, you are yourself bhangi as you suggest.

Jawwad ji
So a corrupt army officer being in uniform and having gun is more dangerous than a corrupt civil bureaucrat in an office with a pen? Where do you get these ideas from?