CJP Iftikhar meets Holbrooke?

CJ acts like he is part of the govt so naturally Holbrooke would meet him too.

how is richard holbrooke involved in missing persons? he come after bush in obama time
this blgo is worst hate instigator, first use cj against musharraf then turn against cj
only want anarchy in society? all are harami only you are good?

last comment on your blog full of shia hatred and you let it pass. how many shias to kill?

Please beware from Habib Public School. This school is converting Sunni Children to shiaism fastly.

This has happened to following 7 children in the session 2008-2009

Kashif Iqbal 9th Sec A (His mother condition is very bad)

Nouman Masood 9th Sec A (He is now got admitted in shia madrisa)

Tahir Aziz Matric Section A( he is currently in Iran for learning Fiqa)

Muhammaf Furqan Matric Section A(In Early stage)

FarasatAli Khan Matric Section B(has left his home & in TNFJ)

Sohail Israr Matric Section A( totally converted)

Sohaib Bilal Matric Section B (Get Admission in shia madrisa Kumailiya)

The Name of teachers who are involved for convert the sunni students to shiaism are as follows:

Mr. S.M Ali Zaidi (Islamiat Teacher)

Mr S. Aun Raza Naqvi ( Science teacher)

Mr. S.Tabraiz Raza Rizvi ( PT Teacher)

Mr. Syed Furqan Raza Abidi (Pakistan Studies Teacher)

Ms. Azra A Haidery (Chemistry Teacher)

Ms Shahida Rizvi ( English Teacher)

Mr. Shabbar Hussain (Sports teacher)

In view of above it is requested you to please do not admitt your children to Habib Public School. This could happened to your child as well. Unfortunately Government support is with School Administration one could not do any thing however he/she do one thing not to send their children to Habib Public School.

Note: if your children are studying in HPS plz take necessary action to safeguard your child IMAAN.

http://kadnan.com/blog/2009/06/06/shia-missionarie...

"yup we hate double standards too. you want us to support jihad e kashmir by these people? on one hand these people kill shias and on the other hand they do jihad in kashmir; why would we support them?"

no they are not in kashmir.there are other people like hizb ul mujahideen, jamat ul dawa and other jihadi organizations who are doing jihad with the help of pakistani support.
are you trying to dodge my question????

"what have you got out of kashmir? the kashmiri people dont even support these mujahideen. pakistan stalemated 3 wars with india over this stupid issue due to non-involvement of the kashmiri people with pakistan"

its not that stupid. quaid e azam said that kashmir is our life line. our major rivers originate from kashmir.
believe me the near future will be the future of dought,famishment and waterlessness.because of dropping the kashmir issue.
90,000 people have been killed and you are saying that there is no support from kashmiris.
countless women has been raped.
houses were burnt.
numerous people are still missing.
countless are in the jail and torture cells.

no supprot for jihad...its okay we can understand that.but please do not distort the facts.
double standards:
jihad in palestine....excellent.
jihad in kashmir .....not jiahd,just fisad.

what about jihad in chechniya?
are chechan fighters also taliban?

@jawad

yup we hate double standards too. you want us to support jihad e kashmir by these people? on one hand these people kill shias and on the other hand they do jihad in kashmir; why would we support them?

what have you got out of kashmir? the kashmiri people dont even support these mujahideen. pakistan stalemated 3 wars with india over this stupid issue due to non-involvement of the kashmiri people with pakistan.

@sikandar!
sorry i can't help it,facts are facts.

@imran zaidi!
did i say any thing in favour of suicide bombing.what i hate is double standards. one standard for movements supported or funded by iran and other standard for sunni movements.
my question is why shia do not support the jihad e kashmir.
are kashmiri mujahideen also doing suicide bombing or killing innocent people or involving in secterian violance?

@jawad

Save me your ignorance; just sort the mess which you people created; now these taliban are killing barelvis (attack at jamia naeemia); do you still support these brainwashed maniacs?

@dr jawwad khan
i told you not to judge anyone who is good Muslim and who isn't.. Only Allah merciful can judge. So why you are judging shias or sunnis.. and try to be more enduring.. have some patience and think about it for a while..

"Tell this to the other people who go rabid when a shia
replies to a post…"

NO...people respond when they see islamo-sunni phobia.
hatred,ridiculing and constant propaganda..why????
because the key players were not shia.
i bet NO shia(moderate,liberal or religious) can EVER support ANY attempt which result in rule of shariyah in any country with sunny majority.
its obvious and it is the FACT.

@sikandar!
religion is THE topic. see the history of teethmaestro.

this isn’t a religious ring to fight.. it’s a political blog..

Sikandar
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@Sikandar

Tell this to the other people who go rabid when a shia replies to a post...

@Syed M Imran H Zaidi@jawad@dr

Well done guys you all are depicting the real image of Pakistan.. this isn't a religious ring to fight.. it's a political blog..
jawwad khan
Khan saheb you sound very mature to me.. but you really disappointed me when you wrote profane comments.. forget it.. only Allah knows who deserves hell and who will be in heaven..

why we guys are fighting and commenting .. it's useless.. buddies try to be practical and enduring rather than start teasing each other's beliefs.. please come back to topic.

bohat barhee bhool hay aapki. asal taliban ko to america khatam naheen kar saka to bharhay kay tattoo kia khatam karan gay.

jawad
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Part of the great game; they dont want to finish the taliban; they're using them against us; now we have to mop up their shit. Why dont the americans fence the bloody durand line? Its in their interest to keep it open so the flow of terrorists is not interrupted...

@jawad

yeh tumharay “ayat ullah aur allamay thay jin ki tehreer parho to pata hi naheen chalta kay yeh kisi shia ki tehreer hay ya salman rushdee ki tehreer hay.

My friend; go back a little more; our tabarra started because muawiya started seb on Ali AS.

Ali AS ko 60 saal tak jis ne ek saath 70 mimbar se aur azaanon k baad galian dilwain use tm ameer maante ho; us ko hum galian na dain to aur kia karain?

Q: Shia kafir kutte ka nara kis ne lagaya tha?
A: tabbarrah kis nay eejad kia tha? yeh tumharay "ayat ullah aur allamay thay jin ki tehreer parho to pata hi naheen chalta kay yeh kisi shia ki tehreer hay ya salman rushdee ki tehreer hay.

"Zia ki harami najaiz paidawar akhri saansain le rahi hai; hamein gali di thi ab bhugto…"

bohat barhee bhool hay aapki. asal taliban ko to america khatam naheen kar saka to bharhay kay tattoo kia khatam karan gay.

Sunni phobia lol; when shias die you celebrate!! Sir jee apna jb marta hai na to phr aise hi bolte hain sb.

You were rejoicing and still are rejoicing at the hundreds of shias who are dying in DI Khan, Hangu and where not. Shia kafir kutte ka nara kis ne lagaya tha? Zia ki harami najaiz paidawar akhri saansain le rahi hai; hamein gali di thi ab bhugto...

@hifi
Implanted by us shias? This must be the joke of the century. Go and ready history kiddo...

These worthless piece of shit taliban deserve to be hanged by their pair. I bet many here will apologise for the taliban for bombing rescue 15; what did these poor people have to do anything with the operation?

Syed M Imran H Zaidi,

Yes I know how happy you guys are when sunnis are kicking sunnis butts. This whole thing is implanted by Shias and Qadianis.

Thuddey to Iran ko bhee par rahey hain? to?

Apney Chutto falsafey khumenistan lejao.

typical suuni phobia.

We have a long way to go in the ideological war. People don’t realize but this is not how nation-states behave. Criminals are too readily given the cover of some kind of righteous social-class struggle, the very presence of America has destroyed our ability to weigh up morality objectively and worst of all there is very little strength taken from the concept of Pakistaniat. Any Pakistani pride or ideology or vision is discarded by “Islamists” as ‘unreligious’, by ethnic fanatics as ‘dictatorial’ and by socialists-wannabes as subservient to their precious Bhuttos. A lethal cocktail that would’ve destroyed nations, its credit and a pity that we’re so resilient and yet incapable of removing it.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/27930-u...

Wow; so the taliban are the good people and Pak fauj is committing a crime!! Wah!! sai thudde par rahe hain dunya me isi lye!! Jeetay raho Pakistan!!!

While MQM is busy killing *criminals* in Karachi, our Pak Fauj is busy killing *foreign agents*, *extremists*, *indian agents*, *afghan-sponsored* agents in Swat and Malakand.

So much for the f@cking stability in the country.

@Unaiza Fatima - rubbish.

sikandar
kya zardari ki koe okaat hai k wo Head of US Army se milay. Zardari tu puppy hai west ka jis ki sari daulat swiss banks may hai aur wo baita sood kha raha us per.
Jaise Awam Waise Hukumaran
http://hulchul.urdupoint.com/HC/index.php?showtopi...

i can't figure out the logic behind this meeting.. we all are yelling in other post that Bilawal seems to be irrelevant sitting with zardari and other personnels along with Obama Administration.. Similarly what's CJP or Holbrooke concern with each other.. Apparently, its not relevant.. Holbrooke must have concern with the political administration of Pakistan.. Did Zardari or any of our leader ever meet their judges.. or even get in touch with Michael Mullen (Head of US Army).. it's ridiculous..

@ Awab Alvi

With your conversation with Mona Sarika, you told her that Sindh and PUNJAB are not allowing IDP's to enter.

Your party chief Imran Khan do gave statement against IDP's stoppage in SIndh but now word from him on IDP's Stoppage in PUNJAB.

You are also quite over the issue no blog post on it.

cna you tell me and others that why PUNJAB is pardon by Imran Khan PTI and You yourself?

If it was wrong on the side of Sindh then it was wrong from Punjab ends as well but the criminal silence of you people make me doubt that you people are working only to defame and destabalize Sindh and Karachi.

I feel shame to live in a so-called Muslim Country aka Pakistan. which pols are secular as i define above secular meaning one can get easily.
Which military is Bikaoo who's doin blow-job for US-interests. Which public and pols alike hate jews and doesnt accept Israel in the same time they allow jew like hellbrooke in their country to visit whomever he wants.
Talibans Talibans sale kaan puk gae meray tu ye saun saun ker
They are never a threat for any country neither for pakistan itself, they wanna see their Jirga type system in their holding areas of FATA and Malakand division.
They never interfere in politics.pk but once you bombarded them means you pave the way for Talibanization.

@dr jk
you are right pakistan team is one of the uncertain and inconsistent team whose players got internal feuds as i said above that we have a feud in every field. I heard that who cut throats of pak army were raw agents under the guise of talibans. Allah Jane

Overall, I must appreciate India that they cum strongly as a nation rather in every field whether be it economy or social justice or playin field. They are united, their democracy is working without military interference and they have made silicon valley in bangalore and produce largest billionaires in Asia but they all are product of the system and this system is inimical for mankind.
Think Again

@guY-sir,
i have better solution.why shoudn't our parliment make a law which make playing cricket a serious crime with the penalty of 10 year prison and distraint of property.
also i suggest on the return to pakistani cricket team send them to the remaing taliban of swat.
also i sall love to see the knives of taliban running on the throats of shoaib akhtar,mohammed asif, waseem akram (charsi sattay baz) and aijaz butt.
kash taliban yeh kam karden to latadad pakistani qom cricket ki azzyat say bach jaen.

I'm sorry its out of topic but its important and its connected with the subject if ya ponder.

We've lost T20 WC 1st match against Marranos. I mean UK. Afridi should kick off he's doing nothing with BAT and his bowling is above average not consistent.
Younus is unfit for this form of cricket.As he gave statement after losing that T20 is Tamasha cricket jis ka sir foot nahi hai kohi..
ICC might take action against him 2nd Management is bunch of Butts who are really Buttholes.
Fawad Alam can be better than Afridi if not then even better than our new opener A.Shazad.He's 2 young for in't cricket

He should replace by Fawad Alam and bring Afridi as opener. Have they taken sworn to God that they wont let afridi open the inning.? its been long we'vent seen afridi open.

I can say in least about Pak-Management in any field that They are bunch of Buttholes like Salman Butt and Ijaz Butt.

And as they apparently failed to give security to srilankan team and who's responsible? we've lost WC 2011 hosting who's responsible, we are getting down in every field who's responsible ? we've a feuds in every field who's responsible. I guess its Mammon which is responsible who is resisting in our hearts and minds and led us blank divinely.

2nd our Leaders who are responsible, our Demo.gov is responsible for srilankan team attacked... who are doing target killing in karachi. who have a feudal-feuds in their own baradari and 2nd they've a feud with mohajir. i2 mohajir i do hurt whenever blood falls many innocent kills in this feud like my friend innocently being killed after BB funeral. who's responsible either Jatoi clan aur Zardari clan.?
Politics and Politicians both are farce/fart so thats y you often see their parodies in media esp Hum Sub Umeed Se Hain.

@Unaiza Fatima, is absolutely rite and the fact we cant get all we can presumed that no need to reopen few cases
1. Against Zardari becuz hez our puppy
2. No more missing persons.
3. Nothing for swat war
I guess it now what do you presume?

Every Political Tenure either civilian or military both damage our country more and more in their own way like Mush did with A.Q.Khan and in Lal Masjid and with CJP Ifti Ch.

I wanted to see A.Q.Khan as president and I guess vast
majority of people.pk wanted to see him but Mush as usual was playing in Marrano hands.

Now one of the culprits of the earth aka Zardari which we never dream to be our president who's playin in heLLbrooke hands and make ruin to swat once beautiful valley.

This world is a home of Marranos who set a theater for all Yokels. must ask to urself are ya Yokel? please dont forget and lemme know and if ye ask same Q to me then I'd say im Yasir instead of Yokel...

Marranos invented Humanism aka Secularism aka Satanism which means men himself is a God and can do and make laws whatever he wants to do and make like [banking system]. I call it Mammon-Marranos or Mammon-Worshipers.

95% of world public worship Mammon instead of God and this is the war not btw u and in me rather its a war btw Muhammed vs Mammon or God vs Mammon.

In conclusion God showing His wrath in various forms like Earthquakes, Tsunami, Pandemics.

There's an authentic Hadith not Muhammed rather Jesus. His disciples ask him Doomsday signs Jesus replied.
1.Earthquakes, 2.Tsunamis 3. Pandemics
So its apparent that Prophets never said wrong and It is MUST for us to follow His Guidance but Mammon resists and led asray to them.

Mammon is one which creates divisions in Humans. Which in real is extremely Racists and its Avaricious as you can see corporate scandals and recession this is all Mammon.

Mammon which take you away for God-Guidance which we need for our own fulfillment. God is immanent Mammon resist this is the war btw God and Mammon.

Choose urs rather do worship btw 1 one of them.. what can I say there's no 3rd choice.

I don't get why all these people are so blatantly anti-CJP and pro-Mush. Musharraf scuttles A. Q. Khan's satellite program making it so India now has spy sats and Pk doesn't have anything to compete, hands over innocent Pakistani citizens like Dr. Afia Siddiqi to please the US, was so over-eager to please that the US still operates bases in Jalabad and drones lift off from inside Pakistan, bomb mud houses in Waziristan, and all. Goes house-shopping in the US with US state-department officials, and he's still a saint.

The CJP didn't stand up to Mush on the PCO issue eight years ago, but so far, he's allowed petitions questioning the validity of the NRO(which is another "gift" from Mush to Pk), he's given the families of missing persons hope, so far he's done alot of things right. This meeting with Holbrooke is a wait-and-see thing, we shouldn't jump to conclusions with incomplete and inadequate information. Time will tell whether the CJP is sincere or not. People in this MTV instant gratification culture of ours are very impatient and frustrated.

Holbrooke-Iftikhar meeting was approved by Foreign Office

Tuesday, June 09, 2009
By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: The meeting of US Special Envoy on Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke with Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry was held following advice of the foreign office to the Supreme Court’s registrar.

While the meeting led many tongues wagging with some drawing their own conclusions and raising questions that in cases stretch out to the limits of conspiracy theories, it was neither a one-on-one meeting between the two nor anything bypassing the government’s foreign ministry.

Foreign Ministry sources as well as the registrar office of the Supreme Court confirmed to The News after the Supreme Court registrar received a request from the US embassy for Holbrooke’s desire to call on the chief justice of Pakistan, the matter was referred to the Foreign Ministry for advice.

The Foreign Ministry in its advice said the chief justice in his convenience could meet the visiting US special envoy and his delegation.The Foreign Ministry also deputed its two senior officials to be part of the Justice Iftikhar-Holbrooke meeting which, besides these foreign office officials, was also attended by Supreme Court Registrar Dr Faqir Hussain from the Pakistani side. Holbrooke was assisted by the US ambassador and members of his delegation.

Sources said Holbrooke told Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry that the purpose of his call was to pay a courtesy visit to the top judge of the country, who led a successful judicial movement in Pakistan.

Holbrooke, a foreign ministry source said, also disclosed to the chief justice US Secretary Hillary Clinton, who herself was a prominent lawyer, wanted him to meet Chief Justice Iftikhar during his visit to Pakistan. Holbrooke said he had come to the chief justice to pay his respect to the man, whom he had once watched on the television screen waving to the people after his release from house arrest last year.

Holbrooke said he has also been reading a lot about the efforts at ensuring speedy justice in Pakistan. During the meeting, Holbrooke also inquired about the judicial system of Pakistan, relationship between the judiciary and executive, the application of Islamic and common laws, etc.

The chief justice informed Holbrooke about the salient features of the recently-implemented National Judicial Policy and said the country’s judiciary is today independent. He also emphasised the need of separation of the judiciary from the executive and said the independent posture of the judiciary is a must.

Justice Iftikhar said the judiciary’s foremost effort is to end the backlog of cases and ensure quick justice for which the recently implemented National Judicial Policy is the first major step. The chief justice was also of the view that an independent judiciary is imperative for good governance, economic growth and development of the society.

Foreign Office sources said nothing regarding any particular case pending before the Supreme Court, including that of the missing persons or the NRO, came under discussion in the meeting.

Source: http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=182...

@unaiza baji!
good point.
men to aapko sirf MQM wali baji hi samjhta tha.

Without Justice, no country could survive. Justice should be transparent and speedy. Likewise, who are there to disseminate the justice must be transparent too.

fauji PCO se sayasi PRO (PERSONAL RELATION ORDINANCE) tak..

Chief tere dost yaar

mulk ke andar, mulk ke bahar!

aur woh ju thay tere jaan nisaar

Better become now pardadaar!

See Awab, I am bitterly against CJP Chaudhury, and I have always criticize your support for him. But here, I would differ. Though CJP is just another clown in the whole circus, but here there is no point of pointing fingers at him. The US official met him in HIS chamber, CJP didn't go to see him in the US Embassy. Ideally anyone can see the CJP at his office regarding any legal matter. At least here he didn't break any rule or law. What was the purpose of meeting is a separate story. That can be discussed if we get the facts.

technically speaking what was the reason for the meeting. The same discussion could have been done through phone as earlier. before the meeting they had successfully implemented on the plan to remove mush. was there any meeting before that drama?
I would like you to visit this link also.

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/lawyers-m...

and

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/pakistans...

This is a worrying thing, but time will tell what happened in there, based on what comes out of this. The CJP had refused to meet Zardari after getting re-instated in March, even refused to attend events in which Zardari was the chief guest, because there were appeals against the NRO(which effects Zardari) pending in his court and it would have been improper for him to meet Zardari.

What business does holbrooke have going to meet the CJP though, I wonder what he said to make the CJP go to meet Zardari at the presidency. In protocol, the person who's house you go to has the upper hand. If zardari had come to meet the CJP at the supreme court building, the CJP would have had the upper hand. In the picture of their meeting that dawn put on it's front page, the CJP's expression looks a little stricken, and his hands are fidgety, while Zardari's sitting with his arms and legs open like he's da big boss. Time will tell whether the CJP bends though, he didn't bend in his meeting with Musharraf.

Uh-oh. The "khuda nakhwasta" comment did go through. Ah, never mind!

If someone kidnapped a family member (or, rather, a pet cat), God forbid, I will talk to them. The last thing I'd expect is to tell the kidnapper, "Listen, I don't care to have a word with you. Get lost. And give our cat back to us!" Actually, when will I say, give our cat back, if I'm not talking?

Why are we always so angry at everything? Why mustn't we engage? If only to get what we want and how we want it? Does the world really bow to angry, disgruntled children? Not in homes, and not on the global political arena.

Let's talk.

If someone kidnapped a family member, God forbid, I will talk to them. The last thing I'd expect is to tell the kidnapper, "Listen, I don't care to have a word with you. Get lost. And give our ______ back to us!" Actually, when will I say, give our family member back, if I'm not talking?

Why are we always so angry at everything? Why mustn't we engage? If only to get what we want and how we want it? Does the world really bow to angry, disgruntled children? Not in homes, and not on the global political arena.

Let's talk.

I am intrigued. Why must we live in a "nobody should talk to nobody" world? How does not talking change things?

An Urdu couplet:
"Tumhain nafrat hu saaray jahan sey
Nayee duniya koi laye kahan sey!"

[Clumsy translation: "You disapprove of the entire world! Who can provide a parallel world for you?"]

In the last days of Mush Era US media were publishing reports that Mush was actually double crossing USA, so US need to get rid of the man who double crossed them and need someone to be use against Mush so that they can easily get rid of Mush, So the US used Media, Political Parties including PTI and offcourse Mr Chaudhry, The person legalized the Mush Actions including Coup, Including Election wearing Uniform and took Oath on PCO twice.

The meeting of CJP with Hallbrooke is very disgusting and i wonder why PTI, Jamat e Islami PML N, Lawyers are others who actually took part in CJP restoration are quite why no hue and cries why no march against this meeting ???

CJ is a very practical person - self preservation is the name of the game...
He is not alone to be blamed - he was made "him" by the actions of others....

Judiciary is under control by Plutocrats aka Oligarchies. Judiciary system of the whole-world is a farce which spawned terrorism.
Under a thin veneer of Law, we are governed by a secret network of traitors, pedophiles, luciferians and criminals masquerading as prominent lawyers and judges, politicians, businessmen and police chiefs.
All Masons and Freemasons hold Top Judicial seats and they apply Murphy's Laws in courts.
http://british-columbia.ca.human-rights.org/Tale2l...

"Even the issue of encroachment of Pakistan’s sovereignty, and drone attacks in violation of the same and of our basic rights, can come up for hearing at the Supreme Court."

B*****ks - matter is not justiciable. It does not follow that for every wrong there is a remedy. Judges can't resolve everything if society is itself completely f**ked.

Altho CJ should not have met Holbrooke. That was wrong. Who will make Freedom of Information request for meeting notes or file petition?

i think this meeting should not have been taken place,cj has lost his strong position in the eyes of general public.

Why are we so worked up about this meeting? The CJ was simply meeting his bosses to thank them for his restora(ion. if he had cared about judicial propriety he wouldn't have gone to meet Zardari before the latter became president to condole about his wife. He would taken another suo moto action when the govt reduced petrol prices by just dhai pc against his order of thirty pc. What azad adlia? It's a joke.

cj is not pakistan ambassodor or foreign minister. he is a judge and it does not become him to discuss a subjudice matter with a foreigner tht too somebody he believes is a party to the case. the correct way was to call or summon the gentleman in court and get his statement under oath as is the legal procedure.

baat deal ki karni thi tou ab judicial reforms k bahanay.
we do not need an azad adlia jo america ki ghulam ho bhut sadly judge sahib bhi america k kehnay par hi bahal huway hain. as far as missing ppl are concerned musharraf ki boht si batein ab sahih sabit ho rahi hain

...swat,waziristan operation is now being supported by all parties including nawaz sharif.
*** lal masjid par molvis k double standards bhi ab molana burqa ki khamosi sai sabit hain.
*** he was correct about the judge also because na petrol sasta huwa na kuch aur.

till now no judicial reference against corrupt judges has been brought forward by cj.
if judicial policy is to be implemented some rotten eggs must be thrown out.

i believed that case of missing persons is the reason behind this meeting.

yes i also believe in azad adlia but azad adlia does not mean ONLY IFTIKHAR CHOUDHARY.

lets c the azad cheif justice starting ehtisab from his own house.funny thing is judiciary in pakistan is among the top 3 corrupt institute.
common sayin thanedar ko rishwat na dou judge kareedo....and nawaz sharif proved it correct.