Misogyny, Patriarchy & Imperialism

@dr jawwad khan

I will advise you to read 'Inquiry Report' by Justice Munir on the anti-qaadyaani riots of 1953. According to this Report the so called jayyad ullema failed to arrive at an agreed definition of 'Muslim'. The challenge is still open.

There is an ineresting couplet of Josh Malihabadi about momin and muslim. He said:

"Momin nah kare sajidah to Muslim nah rahey
Aarif jo karey sajidah to 'kafir' ho jaaey

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@dr jawwad khan

Legal definition of 'Muslim': Is there any? Its news for me. Will you please let me know this as what I have come to know so far is only a negative one, i.e., who is not a Muslim.

Again, Muslim and Momin is not a question of gradation but a qualitative difference. Iman means belief only and the 'Muslim' means submission, i.e., practice without believing - verse 14 Sura Hujrat (49).

It is perhaps why the Mullah uses the term Muslim only.

muslim is a legal definition while the word momoin represents the high quality of islam which someone practices.only Allah(swt) can decide who is momin and who is not.
submission of one's free will for the Allah(swt) is a nobel and hardest thing one can do.
yeh shahdat gahey ulfat men qadam rakhna
log asan samajhtey hen musalan hona

muslim are fortunate that they have the glorious asset.but at the same time they are most unfortunate because they are not willing to be benefited by this prescious gift.

submission of free will for the Allah(swt) is quite different from engaging in some extremist activity.
for example Allah(swt) prohibited and warned from killing innocent person therefore a true follower always refrain himself taking innocent life. while extremist does that happily.
best regards

@dr.jawwadkhan

you say:

"you have already quoted the definition of “muslim” and every one is agreed on it.
problem arised when we try to mark the boundries of islam.
only because people want to cross every line meanwhile want to be known as muslim."

Do you want to be a 'Muslim' meaning 'submitter (maghloob) without Iman'?

For your information, Shias generally like to be called 'Momin' and others as 'Muslims' ( Submitters to Yazidi Islam, perhaps). Pakiies are today veritably submitters to sectarian Islam (deen-e-fassad) of the Mullah.

Someone asked about convicted fraudtser Saifee Durbar whereabouts, my information is that he currently rents a flat somewhere near Brook Street, London. Saifee Durbar evading prison sentence in France for the second time. I hear Saifee Durbar is a rapist & has previous arrest warrant outstanding in France for sexual assault and downloading child pornography. If my friend wants any more information on this crook Saifee Durbar log on to the Diligizer Blacklist website of financial fraudsters.

@ Chris Hayes,
you did'nt mention the 20 millions killed by Stalin
inand outside goolags ?

How many millions Red Indians were killed by Americans ?
Americans have killed 1.2 Iraqians
Americans have killed 900.000 Afghanis women and children
Vietnam how many ?
Americans are hated because they are the worst people
of Book for other fellow people of book,its evil.
Well, China, Russia, were communist anti-religion, it is
undertood, but, which part of American body is evil ?
the balls or the f...g brains ? Have Neocons succeded ?

The full article can be viewed at

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/20/afghan...

Here are a few extracts.

When the Soviet Union finally collapsed, the chessboard was passed to the Clinton administration. The latest mutation of the mojahedin, the Taliban, now ruled Afghanistan. In 1997, US state department officials and executives of the Union Oil Company of California (Unocal) discreetly entertained Taliban leaders in Washington and Houston, Texas. They were entertained lavishly, with dinner parties at luxurious homes in Houston. They asked to be taken shopping at a Walmart and flown to tourist attractions, including the Kennedy Space Centre in Florida and Mount Rushmore in South Dakota, where they gazed upon the faces of American presidents chiselled in the rockface. The Wall Street Journal, bulletin of US power, effused, “The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace in Afghanistan at this moment in history.”

In January 1997, a state department official told journalists in a private briefing that it was hoped Afghanistan would become an oil protectorate, “like Saudi Arabia”. It was pointed out to him that Saudi Arabia had no democracy and persecuted women. “We can live with that,” he said.

The American goal was now the realisation of a 60-year “dream” of building a pipeline from the former Soviet Caspian across Afghanistan to a deep-water port. The Taliban were offered 15 cents for every 1,000 cubic feet of gas that passed through Afghanistan. Although these were the Clinton years, pushing the deal were the “oil and gas junta” that was soon to dominate George W Bush’s regime. They included three former members of George Bush senior’s cabinet, such as the present vice-president, Dick Cheney, representing nine oil companies, and Condoleezza Rice, now national security adviser, then a director of Chevron-Texaco with special responsibility for Pakistan and Central Asia.
Peel the onion of this and you find Bush senior as a paid consultant of the huge Carlyle Group, whose 164 companies specialise in oil and gas and pipelines and weapons. His clients included a super-wealthy Saudi family, the Bin Ladens. (Within days of the September 11 attacks, the Bin Laden family was allowed to leave the US in high secrecy.)

The pipeline “dream” faded when two US embassies in east Africa were bombed and al-Qaida was blamed and the connection with Afghanistan was made. The usefulness of the Taliban was over; they had become an embarrassment and expendable. In October 2001, the Americans bombed back into power their old warlord friends, the “Northern Alliance”. Today, with Afghanistan “liberated”, the pipeline is finally going ahead, watched over by the US ambassador to Afghanistan, John J Maresca, formerly of Unocal

Certainly there is a strong arguement for America dooming the world (climate change is one), but I don't think you can support it through deaths. China currently leads the 20th century tally with a bare minimum of 50 million in the civil war in the 1930's. Deaths from Mao are harder to calcualate. But I guess if you look at who killed the most number of different nationalities America is hard to beat, tending to act in multiple countries rather than concentrating on one.

Still do Muslims really beleive America - lets be honest the most religious western country and one of the 'people of the book' religions at that - can destroy Islam? Certainly its hard for people in the West to see why America is hated more than say the Chinese who are godless communists (okay, no longer communists now straight authoritarians) when both sides prop up regimes persecuting muslims around the world? Indeed I would hazard a guess that supporting the Sudanese government has pushed the tally in China's favour, not to mention of course the differing treatment for Muslims in each country.

"I must say after viewing many peoples comments on many threads it seems Islams biggest enemy is Muslims"

right.completely agreed

but if you read the history of 20th century you shall realize that america is the biggest enemy of the humanity.
millions of people were slaughtered to maintain the status of super power.

I must say after viewing many peoples comments on many threads it seems Islams biggest enemy is Muslims.

the poetry which Quran and hadith referred is quite different from the poetry after “baasat” like “naat” and “hamd” which is also liked by Nabi e kareem(saww).
naat was started in his(saww) life. really i couldn’t understand you.on one side you persistantly give us the refrence and names of the books which according to you, are in your library on the other hand you start the discussions like this.i am really confused [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

Reference please

Sir, Allama Iqbal had rejected Hadith of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] regarding Prophet Jesus [PBUH] and Mahdi's arrival.??

The Prophet said, “It is better for a man to fill the inside of his body with pus than to fill it with poetry.” [Muslim]

more than half century ago when telephone first installed in saudia.mufti aazam of saudia gave the fatwa that it is haram and evil because only a devil can bring the voice from the box.
this case was presented to late king abdul aziz.
he called him for meeting with the telephone set in the room.as planned after few minutes of arrival of mufti azam, phone rang.king abdul aziz picked the phone and ask mufi e azam to listen.mufti was reluctant to listen as he believed that only devil can speak on the phone.but king was in no mood to listen him.he pushed him and make him to listen.as he put mouth piece on his ears than some one spoke:
"la ilaha illal la ho muhammed ur rusool ullah"
this incident made him convinced that a devil can not say those words and took back his fatwa

the poetry which Quran and hadith referred is quite different from the poetry after "baasat" like "naat" and "hamd" which is also liked by Nabi e kareem(saww).
naat was started in his(saww) life.

really i couldn't understand you.on one side you persistantly give us the refrence and names of the books which according to you, are in your library on the other hand you start the discussions like this.i am really confused

i am unable to believe that you are such a simpleton,that you do not know why allama iqbal promoted astruggle for the separate islamic country? Allama iqbal have two phases of life like any other great leader in the world.his poetry also reflected the two phases of his life. just simple is that [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

Why I am being condemned for being simpleton when as per our Khadim Hussain Sahab in another thread of teethmaestro was saying that Jinnah was guided by two Rafizis like Isphahani and Raja Sahab Mehmoodabad???? We had quite a collection of Quaideen - Leaders who were easily duped up, living in phases, First Quadiyani Foreign Minister, Rafizi Mover of Pakistan Resolution in Sindh Assembly.

And last but not the least we have a Poet Iqbal [as a Pakistan's National Poet] who denies Correct and authentic not Shia but Sunni Hadith that Prophet Jesus [Peace be Upon him] will not appear before Judgement day [but Sunni and Pakistani Muslim reject Iqbal on this] Allama Iqbal also reject verified, authentic and correct Sunni Hadith not
Shia Hadith, that Mehdi will not arrive before Judgement Day whereas Pakistani Sunni Muslims [who say that Taliban are correct and true Pakistanis] reject Allama Iqbal's False Belief [Allama Iqbal was Fasidul Aqeeda]

EVIDENCE OF ALLAMA IQBAL FALSE AQEEDA AS PER HIS OWN LITERATURE:

Second Coming of Prophet Jesus [PBUH] and Hazrat Imam Mahdi is proven through detailed and repeated Hadiths and Iqbal deny both. I wonder if you would still call a Childish Debate when I quote Quran and Hadith???

Allama Iqbal has a very saying about Mehdi’s Image.

thay tu woh aa’ba tumharay tum kya ho
haath per haath dharay muntazir-e-farda ho

Iqbal,

howi jis key khudi pehlay baidar, hay wohi mehdi
i.

He wrote in a poem in Armaghan-e-Hijaz

“Is the son of Mary dead, or does he live?

Are Divine attributes separate from God, or one with His Person?

Is the Coming one the Nazarene Jesus, or a Mujaddid having the son of Mary’s qualities?

Are the Divine words created, or pre-existing from eternity, In which belief does lie the salvation of the Ummah?

Are not sufficient for the Muslims today, These Lat and Manat [idols] carved out by theology.”

One of the letter of Allama Iqbal from Iqbal Nama has this text:

“I can only tell you what I believe. I consider the Hadith reports about the Mahdi, the coming Messiah, and mujaddidiyya, to be derived from Persian and non-Arab conceptions. They have no connection with Arab concepts or the true spirit of the Quran.”

In Baqiyat Iqbal, p. 451

“Look for the descent of God upon the minaret of your own heart,

And give up waiting even for the Mahdi or Jesus.”

In Khutba-e-Madras

“As far as I understand the meaning of this movement, the Ahmadis believe that Jesus died the death of a mortal human being, and the return of the Messiah refers to a person who bears spiritual similarity to him. This belief gives this movement a rational appearance.”

Dear Jawwad Sahab,

SWAT flogging was a right thing to do as per Quran and Hadith. I love that Genuine Flogging Video

I will just quote Quran and Hadith on Poets and both of them condemned Poets and Iqbal was a Poet:

Since you are very fond of Islam and also of poetry so lets see how the ultimate source of Islam i.e. Quran views Poetry and Poets and please include Poet Iqbal in this category as well as mentioned in Quran:

“Shall I inform you upon whom the devils descend? They descend on every sinful, false one. They listen eagerly, but most of them are liars.As for poets, the erring follow them. Hast thou not seen how they stray in every valley, And how they say that which they do not? “[Verse 221-222-223- 224-225-226 Chapter 026 AL-SHUARA (THE POETS)]

And We have not taught him (Muhammad) poetry, nor is it meet for him. This is naught else than a Reminder and a Lecture making plain, To warn whosoever liveth, and that the word may be fulfilled against the disbelievers. [Chapter 36 Verses 69-70 YA-SEEN (YA-SEEN)]

That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger. It is not poet’s speech - little is it that ye believe! Nor diviner’s speech - little is it that ye remember! It is a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds. [Chapter 69 Verse 40-41-42-43 AL-HAAQQA (THE REALITY)]

Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:

The Prophet said, “It is better for a man to fill the inside of his body with pus than to fill it with poetry.” [Muslim]

@amir mughal!
i am unable to believe that you are such a simpleton,that you do not know why allama iqbal promoted astruggle for the separate islamic country?

Allama iqbal have two phases of life like any other great leader in the world.his poetry also reflected the two phases of his life. just simple is that

allama iqbal once said: aata hey sultani e jamhoor ka zamana
jo naqsh e kohan tumko nazar aaey mita do [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

No doubt late Iqbal was a good poet and learned philosopher but would you like to define this confusion of Iqbal's Mind and his poetry as well:

Please find Pakistan in the following Rant of Iqbal and if you succeed in finding Pakistan in the Rant then what happened to Islam. And If Iqbal was for Islam then what was the need of that Cock and Bull Story of the Dream of Pakistan by Poet Allama Iqbal which we have been taught at School, College and University level and that too Ad nauseam ...If the Watan [Homeland] was Kafan [Funeral] for the Religion [Islam] then what was the need of Pakistan and if Watan [Homeland] was not Kafan [Funeral] for Religion [Islam] then what was the need of this Verse.

1 - In Taza Khudaon Mein Bara Sab Say Watan Hai. Jo Pairahan Is Ka Hai, Woh Mazhab Ka Kafan Hai

If the Watan [Homeland] was Kafan [Funeral] for the Religion [Islam] then what was the need of this rant by Iqbal

"Saray Jahan Say Acha Hindustan Hamara" (Iqbal)

Another contribution to this Darul Islam and Darul Harb Theory is the demented and Fascist poetry of Iqbal and I leave it to you to decide:

Iqbal on Spreading Islam in West:

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/zarb/...

Iqbal Hindi Islam:

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/zarb/...

Iqbal on Ijtihad [Reinterpretation]

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/zarb/...

Iqbal's Anti West Poetry:

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/zarb/...

Iqbal's Anti Democracy Poetry [what the hell he was doing all those years in the West]

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/zarb/...

Iqbal against Secular Politics

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/zarb/...

Iqbal's poetry against Women Education:

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/bang/...

Religious Fascist type poets, Religion, Mullahs, Mosques and Religious Rituals should be under strict government control and and religious rituals should only be allowed within the boundary walls of Mosques, Imam Bargahs and Community Centres. Loudspeakers should be banned forthwith except for Azan [prayer calls].

Dear Jawwad Sahab,

Read more attentively the Baloch and Urdu Speaking posts, I had just replied Mr Ahmed Quraishi of GEO TV [offensive comment on Baluch Community was of him] I just corrected some historical facts. Please leave comment on these two posts which you were wrong because I want myself to be corrected. So correct me!

Leaving Police was not because of Corruption that's why your Salute is not needed

Regarding:

if you start bulldozing the graves people adhere to their bida’at more strictly. [Dr Jawwad Khan]

Dear Jawwad Sahab,

Then what was the need of this Preaching by Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and what was the need of these acts. I wonder should we discard these Hadith immediately or what with the following Quranic verse as well:

Those unto whom they cry beside Allah created naught, but are themselves created. (They are) dead, not living. And they know not when they will be raised. {Verse 20-21-Sorrah Al-Nahal- Bee- XVI}.

Nor are the living equal with the dead. Lo! Allah maketh whom He will to hear. Thou canst not reach who are in the graves. {Verse 22- Soorah Fatir – The Angels-XXXV} .

And who is further astray than those who instead of Allah, pray unto such as hear not their prayer until the Day of Resurrection, and are unconscious of their prayer. {Verse 5 – Soorah Al-Ahqaf – Wind-Curved Sandhills- XLVI}.

And (remember) when Luqman said unto his son, when he was exhorting him: O my dear son! Ascribe no partners unto Allah. Lo! to ascribe partners (unto Him) is a tremendous wrong [LUQMAN (LUQMAN) 031.013]

As per Islamic Sahriah praying or offering Salat Namaz is allowed anywhere in the world except in the graveyards, beside a grave and toilet {You cannot ask for any favour from those who are buried in any tomb, grave and you cannot even ask favours from the grave of Holy Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]. The thing and pray which is allowed near graves are:

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} said: Whosoever desires to visit the graveyard, must do so, because it reminds us of the Hereafter. {Muslim}

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} used to visit graves {Jannatul Baqeeh Madina} and recited this pray, “Peace be on you, O’ abode of the believing people. What you have been promised with has come to you. You are tarried till tomorrow and certainly we shall reach you if Allah wills. O’ Allah, forgive the inmates of the Baqi ‘ il – Gharqad. {Muslim}

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} passed by graves at Medina. He turned his face towards them and said: Peace be on you, O’ inmates of graves. May Allah forgive us and you, you have preceded us, and we are following. {Tirmidhi}.

Only above is allowed near graves.

What is not allowed:

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} said: It is better that one of you should sit on live coals which will burn his clothes and the heat should mark his skin than that he should sit on grave. {Muslim}.

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} forbade that the graves should be plastered or they should be used as sitting places (for the people) or a building should be erected over them. {Muslim}.

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} said: Do not travel for any mosque except Mecca, Medina and Al-Aqsa. {Bukhari and Muslim}. Mean you cannot make journey for the tombs, graves and Saints for worshipping.

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} said: Do not make my grave a place for festival you just recite Darood as Allah conveys your Darood to me. {Nisai}.

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} had cursed those women visit graves. {Masnad Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal, Tirmidhi, and Ibn-e-Maja}.

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} prayed: O Allah! Don’t let them make my grave an Idol lest it be worshipped. Then said Curse of Allah descended upon those who turned the graves of their Prophets {PBUT} into mosques. {Mauta Imam Malik}.

Holy Prophet Muhammad {PBUH} said: Be warned of the practice of those people who used to turn the graves of their Prophets {PBUT} and Saints {RA} into mosques I forbade you. {Muslim}.

It is mentioned in Sahih Muslim vol. 2 pp 459-60, No. 2116-2118

“Jabir said : Allaah’s Messenger forbade that the graves should be plastered or, they be used as sitting places (for the people), or a building should be built over them”

[Also in Sahih Muslim vol. 2 Hadith No. 2114 (also see 2115)]

I heard the messenger of Allaah commanding (us) to level the grave. 'Abdullaah Ibn Sharjeel Hasanah said:

"I saw ‘Uthmaan Ibn ‘Affaan order the leveling of the graves. So it was said to him: 'This is the grave of Umm ‘Amr the daughter of ‘Uthmaan!' However, he commanded that it too should be leveled."

[Related by Ibn Abee Shaybah in al-Musannaf (4/138) and Aboo Zur‘ah in at-Taareekh (22/2) with an authentic chain of narrators]

From Abul-Hayyaaj al-Asadee who said: "‘Alee Ibn Abee Taalib said to me: 'Shall I not send you for what the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) sent me? That you deface all statues and pictures and that you level all elevated graves."

[Related by Muslim (3/61), Aboo Daawood (3/70), an-Nisaa‘ee (1/285) and others]

Jundub Ibn ‘Abdullaah al-Bajalee said that he heard the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) say – five days before he died: "Verily those before you took the graves of their Prophets and righteous people as places of worship, so do not take the graves as places of worship. Indeed I forbid you from this!" [Related by Muslim (2/67-68), Aboo ‘Awaanah (1/104) and others]

From Aboo Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: "O Allaah, do not turn my grave into an idol. May the curse of Allaah be upon those who take the graves of their Prophets as places of worship." [Related by Ahmad (no. 7352), Ibn Sa‘d (2/241-242) and others. Its chain of narrators is Authentic]

Aboo Burdah said: "Aboo Moosaa al-Ash‘aree advised us before he died, saying: 'You should hasten with my janaazah…and do not put in my lahad (a cleavage in the side of the grave where the body is placed) anything that will come between me and the earth, nor build anything over my grave. So bear witness that I am free of those women who shave their heads, tear their clothes or beat their cheeks.' They said: 'Did you hear anything about this?' He said: 'Yes, from the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam)!'" [Related by Ahmad (4/397) with a strong chain of narrators]

'Abdullaah Ibn Sharjeel Hasanah said: "I saw ‘Uthmaan Ibn ‘Affaan order the leveling of the graves. So it was said to him: 'This is the grave of Umm ‘Amr the daughter of ‘Uthmaan!' However, he commanded that it too should be leveled." [Related by Ibn Abee Shaybah in al-Musannaf (4/138) and Aboo Zur‘ah in at-Taareekh (22/2) with an authentic chain of narrators]

From Abul-Hayyaaj al-Asadee who said: "‘Alee Ibn Abee Taalib said to me: 'Shall I not send you for what the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) sent me? That you deface all statues and pictures and that you level all elevated graves.'" [Related by Muslim (3/61), Aboo Daawood (3/70), an-Nisaa‘ee (1/285) and others]

So if we cannot construct anything on the grave then how can Mazar exist, and when there is no existence of Mazar, where is the question of visiting it. Most of the Muslim Kings who invaded India were disciples of several Sufi Orders [which is itself a Bida'at (innovation) e.g. Mughals were disciples of Naqshbandi Order (their practices are worst kind of polytheism).

Imam Shafai’s thought on graves:

It is forbidden {Gunah-e-Kabeera; sin of the highest degree} to turn the graves into Mosques {Shrines}, to light Lamps or candle on Graves, to worship the graves, to circle the grave like Kaaba, to kiss the grave and offering Namaz in the direction of graves. [Kitabul Aam]

Imam Abu Haneefa’s thought on grave:

Forbidden to add anything on graves mean making it solid or making building over the same or even construct the mosque near it. [Fiqh Al Akbar, Al Mughnisawi and Kitab Al Asar]

Imam Malik:

Forbidden to do any of the above things. [Mawata Imam Malik]

Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal:

Forbidden if there are such mosques, which are built on graves such mosques, be razed to the ground. No Namaz is halal in such mosques.[Tabaqat-e-Hanabala by Ibn Rajab Hanbali]

http://rupeenews.com/2009/04/06/manufacturing-cons...

pious? me? ...lolz .appearence is deceiving.my friend
allama iqbal once said:
aata hey sultani e jamhoor ka zamana
jo naqsh e kohan tumko nazar aaey mita do

people are deviant not the polyetheist they are just deviant.if you start bulldozing the graves people adhere to their bida'at more strictly.
also there will be other huge counter productive outcome because of this act.
dawat o tabligh is the only answer of this problem along with good education along with the educations of the fundamentals of islam.

i visited your blog once and i saw the material which is little offensive against baloch and urdu speaking people.part of that was right and part is wrong.i am an urdu speaking person i believe that i should not say or write any thing (right or wrong) about the punabis,pashtoon,sindhi or baloch.because it only causes damage.its a sensitive and complicated issue.

if you have resigned the police job because of corruption in that department, then i must salute you.
best regards

barhey bhai! would you like to tell us who you really are?
[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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For your satisfaction. I am a Retired Police Officer and resigned in 2001.

barhey bhai! would you like to tell us who you really are?
[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,

In one of your post in one of the thread in this very blog, said, that my blog sucks. I had replied no ofeence but if you want to know me than read my profile on my blog [I dont lie and I thank Allah for that] and read my posts on Hindu Extremism, Israeli Extremism, Ameircan Butchery, Persecution of Sikhs in India and particularly read my posts on Khomeini and read my posts on Shias as well.

Dear Hamed Sahab,

Check my posts above I have already given the link and address of the Publication House of Daarul Isha'at of Justice Taqi Usmani [The Deobandi - Issued Fatwa to make Usury - Sood Halal for Mizan Bank].

Dear Jawwad Sahab,

By the grace of Allah I am a Muslim [not pious (Muttaqun) like you but still a Muslim]. I support Shariah wholeheartedly but question is would you like to support me to raze [read bulldoze] the Thousands of Plasterd Graves and Shrines of alleged so-called Saints [Sunni - Pirs] from Karachi to Khyber particularly in the presence of Barelvi Grave Worshippers [Professor Ghafooor and Mian Tufail should quit Jamat-e-Islami] because they went to Data Darbar for laying Floral Wreath [Read Chadar] during 1977 PNA Movement against Bhutto to exploit the Barelvi Crowd to get quci result. There is no permission of Pucca Graves in Islam. If you wholeheartedly believe in Islam then please take the bulldozer and start from Jinnah's Shrine [He is worshipped in Pakistan like Laat, Manat and Hubal].

This is my stand. Are you with me.

@Amir mughal!
barhey bhai! would you like to tell us who you really are?
no human can be a machine.every one naturally adheres to some ideology or life style.no one can be suspended in the air.tell me about the ground you are standing.
why don't you convince others to believe what you believe rather than teasing others.

I have no trouble of acquiring books, there is library too.

Can you send me link to post where I can find all sources?

Haha! Holy shit! Aamir Mughal provides rock-solid proof that Islam not only discriminates against women; but does so on the basis of the idea that they are inferior to men.

I hope the apologists for Islam can now take a hide.

Thanks, Aamir Mughal.

Also why don’t you complain about Gujrat, Kashmir and Palestine?You still haven’t quoted me the page and chapter numbers. I guess you don’t want to do research before accusing someone else. [Hamed]
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Dear Hamed Sahab,

Check my posts again because I have given the publication House from where you can get the book and please go through my blog wherein I have specific posts on Caste System, Gujarat Carnage, Hindu Extremism, Israeli Extremism, Sikh persecution and History of American Butchery. Do read then comment.

@readinglord!
you have already quoted the definition of "muslim" and every one is agreed on it.
problem arised when we try to mark the boundries of islam.
only because people want to cross every line meanwhile want to be known as muslim.
islam is not an identity its like a club with some rules which every member has to follow.

@readinglord!
you have already quoted the definition of "muslim" and every one is agreed on it.
problem arised when we try to mark the boundries of islam.
only because people want to cross every line meanwhile want to be known as muslim.

Also why don't you complain about Gujrat, Kashmir and Palestine?

You still haven't quoted me the page and chapter numbers. I guess you don't want to do research before accusing someone else.

There is country wide protest for lashing because some people want to create rift between brothers in NWFP and their implementation of Shariah. Since yesterday there have been 3 children killed in Lahore, spouse killed by husband before committing suicide, spouse nose chopped off in Lahore, one killed in honor killing in Islamabad and one in Afghanistan.

The whole country is complaining about flogging video, which is fake and without any credible source.

I guess, Jahil has another name today, its called “Amir Mughal”. You and your disgusting ideas. So you want to keep women Jahil so that Jahil man can do what ever they want. Its people like you, who follow cultural Islam, where jahil man can twist Islam according to his will. [Zaki]
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Dear Zaki Sahab,

I like the girl flogging vey much and I love to follow this which you have [mistakenly] termed Jahil and Cultural Islam:

Allah says:

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If I were to command anyone to prostrate to anyone else, I would have commanded women to prostrate to their husbands.” [Tirmidhi]

It was narrated that Abu Umaamah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are three whose prayer goes no further than their ears: the runaway slave until he returns, a wife whose husband remains angry with her overnight, and a imam who leads the people in prayer when they object to him doing so.” [Tirmidhi]

It was narrated from Mu’aadh ibn Jabal that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No woman offends her husband in this world but his wife among the hoor al-iyn says, ‘Do not offend him, may Allaah kill you, for he is only with you for a short time and soon he will leave you and come to us.’” [Tirmidhi]

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible for a woman to fast when her husband is present except with his permission, or to allow anyone to enter his house without his permission.” [Bukhari and Muslim].

Aamir Mughal,

You said:
Farhat Hashmi and co is so busy in Preaching Islam amongst the women in the Elite area of Pakistan that Men of the House often found that they dont have anything to eat when they reach their houses after day long labour becaue their Female Family Members are out on DAWAH. First responsibility of Wife is to make happy her husband and rest of the thing comes much later.

I guess, Jahil has another name today, its called "Amir Mughal". You and your disgusting ideas. So you want to keep women Jahil so that Jahil man can do what ever they want. Its people like you, who follow cultural Islam, where jahil man can twist Islam according to his will.

@dr.jawwadkhan

Can you or anyone else give a definition of the term 'Muslim', on which according to the famous 'Munir Inquiry Report' the so called Ullema had failed to agree?

According to Quran, Muslim means the 'submitter' who is not yet a 'Momin'- vide verse 14 of Sura Hujrat (49).

@"Comment by hamed on April 6, 2009 @ 10:16 am

Video is fake... Making video is also prohibited. All evidence is against this video being legitimate."

The video of the girl flogged by Taliban in swat is showing the true face of the Talibani Jahalat and barbarism. As it is, it is immaterial whether the video is real or fake. It, in fact, represents the epitome (Lab-e-lubaab) of the Talibani Islamic Sikha-Shahi in video form.

It is like 'Udhar tum idhar ham', an audio epitome of a Zab's speach in Urdu, displayed as an headline of an Urdu daily though the speaker had never uttered these words.

What can we do now but appeal to the civilized world to save us from this barbaric sharia of the Taliban in the name of Islam as our government seems to have become totally irrelevant in this respect.

For e.g. the Farhat Hashmis, the increased segregation. [Abira]
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Dear Abira,

Ms. Farhat Hashmi [if she is of Al Huda] and her husband Idrees Zubair is another Calamity upon Pakistan and they are the cases of Mullah Hypocrisy, they have left Pakistan and living in Canada. I ask where the hell [accursed Terms Daarul Harb and Daarul Islam which these exploit] have gone?? These Term Mullah and Mullanis use when they preach Islam and when they see something good [what is bad in the West?] in the West then suddenly all is forgotten.

Women = Daughters, Sisters, Wives, Mothers as per Islam should look after inside affairs of Family [Imran's Khilafa Model Islam doesn't allow women to go out].

Farhat Hashmi and co is so busy in Preaching Islam amongst the women in the Elite area of Pakistan that Men of the House often found that they dont have anything to eat when they reach their houses after day long labour becaue their Female Family Members are out on DAWAH. First responsibility of Wife is to make happy her husband and rest of the thing comes much later.

Wives cannot fast [except in Ramazan] and cannot offer optional prayer [Nafil] if her husband is calling her to bed for Legal and Allowed Mating. This is Islam and PTI should enforce this immediately and should sent back all the Lady Doctors working in Shaukat Khanam Memroial Hospital to their houses to serve their family first. Membership of PTI should not be given to any Shia because Taliban in Swat dont consider them Muslims and if there is any Shia in PTI then he should be sacked.

I hope Imran Khan will follow this version of Islam because Videos of Flogging were not genuine and Talibans are most saintly people on earth so they must be followed...

Dear Abira,

Thank you for your response. I appreciate and agree with your call for a comprehensive feminist movement that addresses legal, social and economic handicaps that Pakistani women face.

Your clarification of your opposition to facile anti-Americanism and to evasion of our responsibility in this mess is also appreciated. Perhaps the problem lies in that you talk in your response about a "true analysis" of the history and politics behind the crisis but offer only insinuations and generalizations both in your article and your response. Your article, especially your section "Our reaction to the video", is full of vague questions all of which hint that America, which you imply is the enemy Pakistanis condone, is responsible either for the terrorists or the war against the terrorists. You do not talk about our involvement at all. Through your vagueness all that comes through is your anti-Americanism. This may not be your intention but this is how the article reads.

But from your response I gather that the main bone of contention between you and me is that you oppose the use of any form of violence to reign in the militants while I see no other alternative. We have sat down and talked to militants repeatedly over the past six or seven years. The peace deals have all ended in failure. After this video I am sure you agree that the Swat deal falls into this category too. Negotiations and discussions can only be conducted when we are in a position of power. If we go to the negotiating table now when the militants have exposed the state in all its powerlessness we will have no leverage and will end up ceding more land, more Pakistanis to their control. We have to defeat the militants militarily first and then negotiate. This is no time for bleeding heart pacifism when every day the militants kill more Pakistani, take control of more of our country. These people have rejected to work within the bounds of the state and have taken up armed struggle; they must be brought to justice if the legitimacy and sovereignty of the state is to be preserved. We must bring Baitullah Mehsud and Fazlullah before our judiciary instead of letting them form their own. This requires force not pleading.

Shayan,
you say:

"evade confronting the new threat,...."
"conveniently deflects responsibility..."
"minimizes the injustice ..."

Abira's position does none of that but in fact quite the opposite. She says, "Its time we conflated issues. The analysis does not stop at the flogging"

Which is actually a call to link all the issues you seem to indicate up above as being marginalized in lieu of anti-americanism. Its a call to not just be shocked, stop analysis and have knee jerk reactions to atrocities.

You say, "The only connection I see is that America is determined to defeat the very militants we condemn."
Really? Thats the only connection you see between what is happening in Swat with the Taliban and the American role in creating grounds which not only give birth to the Taliban but is providing active fuel by continuing a war directly through bombings and indirectly through the Pakistan State and army.

And I am not saying we should not be condemning, fighting, resisting the Taliban.

Dear Shayan,

The reality is complex and involves a historical analysis of ISI and American collusion to create mujahidin in the 80s to the current day militant mafias and their operations in Waziristan versus Swat and so on, and actual American interests such as channels, oil, coal, etc., role of other state actors such as Saudi Arabia, the role of the Pakistani state, the role of profit and weapons industries in general,...we want to work together to gain better understanding of the ground reality, and are not resistant to understanding it al all..to answer your comment about foregone conclusions of anti Americanism.

A true analysis would not be simply to advance anti Americanism and hence lead to an evasion of our own responsibilities...but it would be towards seeking real and viable solutions that are home grown and do not involve bombing whether by us or them, or compromised local solutions which are dictated entirely by foreign donors with vested interests...rather than negotiation and discussion..

And yes, Mawdudi and Zia have done much to turn back the clock on human rights - which is why I mentioned that there is a softer version of extremism that we have experience through the 80s. For e.g. the Farhat Hashmis, the increased segregation. But, also part ad parcel, is the labor and class analysis - women suffer tremendous oppression of economic and health - and this suffering is increasing due to the flawed economic policies of our government. There is a larger struggle for labor rights and education that goes hand in hand with a struggle against unfettered soft extremism..

I believe the flogging is a misogynist act - equivalent to a state sanctioned gang rape, and affirming that war's worst vicitms are women. Just today there are reports of 3 NGO workers killed in Mansehra. I am unequivocal in the condemnation of the flogging. I simply think that Zarina Marri's case was equally horrific (she was held a a sex slave in a military prison)and there needs to be a holistic analysis, exposure accountability of the terros of our government and the united states in the war on terror.

Also, in PR we had to fight to gain acceptance that it was OUR OWN bombing we were against...rather than simply the drone attacks. It was too easy to gain acceptance for the latter position. Harder for the first because people feel the militants have to be dealt with and perhaps the PK military knows best.

Hope this clarifies.

Abira

Dear Hamed Sahab,

You are wrong about Mawdudi because in the very begining several leading Founder of Jamat-e-Islami quit Jamat-e-Islami e.g. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, Maulana Manzoor Naimani, Maulana Masood Alam Nadvi and Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi. And Mawdudi was refuted by Mawlana Abdul Majid Daryabadi before partition in a book called "Kharjiyat-e-Jadida"

Following books are also avialable in Daarul Isha'at of Justice Taqi Usmani [A Deobandi Scholar] and please try to defend these books through Quran and Hadith and you wont be able to defend these Deobandi Books through Quran and Hadith.

MUSLIM BOOKS THROUGH WHICH THEY TEACH HOW TO USE QURANIC VERSES IN AMULETS {ALMOST A KIND OF BLACK MAGIC as per Islamic Sharia such sciences and practices are considered highest degree of polytheism rather infidelity {Shirk aur Kufr}.

1- Aeyna –e- Amliyat by Sufi Azizur Rehman.

2- Asli Jawaher-e-Khamsa by Shah Mohammad Ghaus Gawaliyari. {One of the most dirtiest and treacherous books on objectionable and blasphemous recitation of Holy Quran and polytheists recitation for ulterior motives. May Allah save every Muslim from using or even reading this book}.

3- Asli Bayaz-e-Mohammadi by Sheikh Mohammad Thanvi.

4- Aamal-e-Qurani by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi {a book containing such shameful and blasphemous practices using Holy Quran and its Holy verses for ulterior motives. May Allah save every Muslim from such books}.

5- Maktoobat wa Bayaz-e-Yaqoobi by Maulana Mohammad Yaqub {mysterious and blasphemous recitation of several polytheist wazeefas}.

6- Shamsul Muarif Al Kubra by Abul Abbas Ali Boni {the most shameful book ever written on Black Practices like Magic and Amulets through Holy Quran}.

Dear Jawwad Sahab and Hamed Sahab,

These books are available at Daarul Ishaat a publication house owned by Justice Taqi Usmani [A Deobandi Scholar] and following books are also their [try to prove these books through Quran and Hadith]

For page number of the excerpts which I have given above check this website and the owner of this site also send hard copy carrying the photos copy from the Original Deobandi books

Website of Maulana Masooduddin Usmani [He was not Shia]

http://www.emanekhalis.com/

Do read Ghar Kay Chiragh on Deobandi Scholars and its also available in English

I think this all is happening every where, where ever ISLAM N MUSLIMS are...

For the sake of Sanity
Is it a matter of Shiat,Sunni or Wahabi or is it a simple case of ignorance and using the name of Shariat law to suit ones own needs?
please for God sake the incidents have no relevance to Islam.
Torture and fear are the tools of ignorants to rule the masses.
Recognise it.

Abira
I agree with you hundred percent .I do not know how many times I have to die,but I share the same pain of helplessness and sorrow,tears rolling down and big lump of pain which makes even hard for sliva to go down the throat.
I cry endlessly ,seeing this brutality.
How sad is my life.It is voilence after voilence.Women burried alive,women murdered,women raped and tortured and publicaly flogged ,in the name of Islam.
But you know I appreciate the dumbfounding silence of Swattee crowd than idiot scholars of Pakistan.
Silence at least means they are victims as well ,they cannot react.
But what the educated masses are doing for the sake of political gains or so called defending Islam is shocking.

To even consider that the actions of these ignorant idiots have any relevance to Islam or Sharia is the height of ignorance.

"I am not a Shia, Sunni, Deobandi, Barelvi or Salafi. I am
just an ordinary Muslim"

i am unable to believe that because disgustingness for one thing is a result of the affiliation and connection with other.simple is that. like a laws of the physics which tells us that every action have equal and opposite reaction.
for hatred you need love. because with out love for one thing you can not hate the other thing.

Mawdudi was respected for his way of writing but later on there were many incorrect he quoted and was rebuked by Deobandi scholars.

Coming back to original issue of demonizing Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi, you are just beating about the bush quoting random things.

Can you quote page or chapter numbers?

"Calling oneself by any name other than Muslim is Sin and negation of the following verse of Quran where Allah has given us the title of Muslim"

it is also a sin to spread the hearsay as it is forbidden by Nabi e Kareem (saww).