Open letter to citizens of Sri Lanka

Islam is a constipation in the tummy of satan. Muhmad was a paedophile and mass murderer..i feel world would be a better place if all muslims died!

It wasn't done by any Muslim or a Talibaan. It was done by a stupid group of cults. We see such events in India too. The destruction of "Babri Mosque" was done by cults not by Hindu/Christian/Muslims. If anyone puts the attack at Sri Lankan cricket team on a Muslim or anything known as "talibaan" then let we quote a verse from Holy Quran(Holy book of Muslims):

"If any one kills a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed the whole of humankind: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of humankind."

Therefore those who did can never be Muslims no matter how much they insist...

f*** off!

Dear SM Imran H Zaidi,
U are just wasting your time & energy on wrong people. They have read just the offical version of Islam which was fabricated during the era of Mawia & his aal (Lanat Ullah alay). Even a non Muslim can distinguish by just reading this piece, the Intectual level diffence & the difference between obtaning the information through the right path i.e the Door, or fabrication & twisting of facts on the other side.
To tell them all "over faith is that There is only one Allah, & after him is no Else but Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH), & after Allah & Prophet (PBUH) there is no one else but Hazrat Ali(A.S), & any one who has caused any sort of pain or sorrow to Prophet(PBUH) or Ahl-e-Bayt is Lanti & Tabra on him or her is wajib on every Muslim. & to sum up all the discussion about sayings of Prophet, I just want to inquire who was this Anu Huraira who has quoted thousands of sayings, so much so that I beleive that he has spend all the time days & nights with Prophet (PBUH) where as on the other hand Maula Ali (A.S) who has been described as the door to all knowledge by the Prophet(A.S) & other Ahl-e-Bayt have not collectivelly quoted so many sayings.
And just to refer about Wahabis, what they have done with our Holy Places, they are worst than jews or Hindus.

@Yousef

Well yeah it is useless for you to argue with me because you are so blind not to see the references from your own books; not replying to my questions and venting your anger against shias and the maraje by calling them rafizi.
I am sorry but the enemity of the Ahl-e-Bayt is a disease which you are suffering from; and will make you end up where you dont want to.
We do not blindly curse anyone like you do; we have reasons to do so; reasons that you deny as that which did not happen. You dont even see your own books; let alone ours and take all of your knowledge from anti-shia sites. At least we have the balls to open your books and see what
they say.

I havent gotten any answers about fidak; muta or taqayyah yet; or are you just ignoring it...?

@Yousef:

You arent reading the posts; rather just coming and venting your anger. The post i made for wasey about the "Condition of Deficiency" surely applies to you too.

You are again spreading lies and slander. We hold the Imams above the Prophets; but not the Prophet SAW. It was the nur of the Prophet SAW and the Ahl-e-Bayt that was the first creation of Allah SWT.

We dont have a problem with Hamza; we do have a problem with khalid bin waleed; and Aisha who fought a battle with Imam Ali AS.

Have you even read about our view on Taqayyah? We do not lie each and every second of the day about everything. Taqayyah is only lying about the faith if you fear the loss of life or limb. You are disregarding the incident of Ammar bin Yasir and the Ayats from the Quran.

Situation: I have a random rabid wahabi holding a gun to my head in parachinar who says that if you dont curse the Ahl-e-Bayt i will shoot you. Although i'd rather die a shaheed by announcing my Hubbe-Ahl-e-Bayt; i'd live another day to screw the wahabi bastard who asked me to curse the Ahl-e-Bayt in the first place.

Twisted the ayats? Explain the ayats regarding muta and taqayyah if you will if you have a better explanation. Dont just come here and vent your anger against shias.

About the ahadith; most of your ahadith were fabricated in the time of muawia which was about 40 years. He ordered seb on Ali AS from the mosques at the start and end of each sermons. You claim you have hubbe Ali AS; prove it by denouncing the seb of Ali AS done by muawia lanti.

We absolutely reject ahadith which do not comply with the Quran; as the Prophet SAW said that if you find any hadith which does not comply with the Quran; "rudduhu alal jidar" throw it against the wall.

Again you are spreading your wahabi propaganda. Putting AS at the end does not imply that we are holding them as messengers.

About considering the Wives of the Prophet SAW as the Ahl-e-Bayt; have you read the previous 3 posts? Blindly coming and posting again eh?

SM Imran HZ,

Its useless to argue with you, you can lie and "earn reward" for it, there is no point because your rafzi clercis can do the same.

You didn't respond about the
10.) They say Imaams are higher in status than the Ambiyaa including our Nabi(S.A.W.W)

Ref Ibid / Al Hukumatul - Islaamiyaa - 52 Khomeni. Hayaatul Qutoob Vol 3, P10 /Ibid Vol 2. P787. Footnote

Jawwad, not only they have problem with Hazrat AbuBakar(RA), Hazrat Umar (RA) they have problems with Hazrat Hamza(RA), Hazrat Khalid Ban Waleed (RA).

They don't consider the wives of Muhammad (S.A.W.W) as his household.

They would even deny the existence of daughter of Hazrat Ali(RA) who was married to Hazrat Omar(RA).....

How can you argue with these people they have twisted the ayats and don't accept tha ahadith.

Their sect came out of hatered for Sahaba and Ayesha(RA).

See them using AS for Fatima(RA) and Ali(RA) as if they were messengers of Allah too.

Here is another authentic variation of "The Tradition of Cloak" which is related to Safiyya who was another wife of the Prophet (PBUH&HF). Ja'far Ibn Abi Talib narrated:

When the Messenger of Allah noticed that a blessing from Allah was to descent, he told Safiyya (one of his wives): "Call for me! Call for me!" Safiyya said: "Call who, O the Messenger of Allah?" He said: "Call for me my Ahlul-Bayt who are Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain." Thus we sent for them and they came to him. Then the Prophet (PBUH&HF) spread his cloak over them, and raised his hand (toward sky) saying: "O Allah! These are my family (Aalee), so bless Muhammad and the family (Aal) of Muhammad." And Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, revealed: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a thorough purification (Quran, the last sentence of Verse 33:33)".
Sunni references:

al-Mustadrak by al-Hakim, Chapter of "Understanding (the virtues) of Companions, v3, p148. The author then wrote: "This tradition is authentic (Sahih) based on the criteria of the two Shaikhs (al-Bukhari and Muslim)."
Talkhis of al-Mustadrak, by al-Dhahabi, v3, p148
Usdul Ghabah, by Ibn al-Athir, v3, p33

Although the majority of traditions on this issue show that the last sentence of the verse 33:33 was revealed in the house of Umm Salama (as quoted earlier), the above tradition implies that it might have been revealed in the house of Safiyya. Based on the opinion of the Sunni scholars including Ibn Hajar, it is quite possible that the verse was revealed more than once. In each occasion, the Prophet repeated his action in front of different wives so that they all realize who his Ahlul-Bayt are.

The testimony of three wives of the Prophet (Aisha, Umm Salama, and Safiyya) leaves us no room but to believe that the Ahlul-Bayt at the time of the Prophet were no more than five individuals: Prophet Muhammad, Lady Fatimah, Imam Ali, al-Hasan, and al-Husain (Peace be upon them all).

The fact that the gender in later part of Verse 33:33 is switched from feminine to masculine, has led the majority of Sunni commentators to believe that the last part was revealed for Imam Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan and al-Husain, as Ibn Hajar al-Haythami indicated:

Based on the opinion of the majority of (Sunni) commentators, the saying of Allah :"Verily Allah intends to ... (the last sentence of the verse 33:33)" was revealed for Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, because of the usage of masculine gender in the word "Ankum" and after that.
Sunni reference: al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p220

Narrated Aisha:
One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33).

Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of the virtues of the Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1883, Tradition #61

Are you satisfied with the references about Muta and Taqayyah?
You have not answered questions I raised about the legitimacy of the mizyar system so called "friendship marriage" in saudi arabia which does not have any basis in Quran and Hadith; and why majority of the sunnis keep turning a blind eye to this blatant biddat in the deen of Muhammad SAW while condemning Muta as zina nauzubillah which is supported by the Quran itself?

@Jawad:

One would not curse the Ahl-e-Bayt; as it would directly put them out of the fold Islam. The point I am trying to raise is that many people try to undermine the status of the Ahl-e-Bayt by spreading wahabi propaganda.

Answering why the Ahl-e-Bait does not include the Wives of the Prophet SAW. It does but in a different manner.

The term "family of the prophet" can be applied on three kinds of relationships:

Those who are related to the prophet by blood or marriage ties only.
Those who are related to the prophet by soul and spirit only.
Those who are related to the prophet by blood or marriage ties as well as by soul and spirit

The first group is only physically related to the Prophet but not spiritually, like the son of Prophet Nûh or the wife of Prophet Lût or Abu Lahab, the Prophet's uncle. Allãh clearly says to Prophet Nûh about his son: "Innahu laysa min ahlik - He is not of your family." (11:45-46) That is, he is not one of your spiritual family; he is only physically related to you. Lût's wife and the Prophet's uncle, Abu Lahab, both are counted as people of the Hell-Fire.

The second category is considered "Ahlul Bayt" only in a metaphorical sense, not in the real meaning; for example, Salmãn al-Fãrsi about whom the Prophet said, "Salmãn is from us, the Ahlul Bayt." This leaves us with the third group.

Many people were related to the Prophet both by blood and marriage as well as by soul and spirit. But the term "Ahlul Bayt" as used by the Qur'ãn and the Prophet does not apply to all of them. We see that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) clearly applied the Qur'ãnic term "Ahlul Bayt" to four people: Fãtima, 'Ali, Hasan and Husayn (peace be upon them all).

The first verse (33:33) is of purification (tathír):

"Verily Allãh intends to keep away the abomination from you, O the Ahlul Bayt, and purify you a thorough purification."

No Muslim would question the inclusion of Fãtima, 'Ali, Hasan and Husayn in the "Ahlul Bayt". The disagreement arises in the inclusion of the wives and other Hashimite relatives of the Prophet among the "Ahlul Bayt". For example, during our time, a book has been published in Saudi Arabia entitled as 'Allimu Awlãdakum Hubb Ãl-i Bayti 'n-Nabi (Teach Your Children the Love of the Family of the Prophet) by Dr. Muhammad 'Abduh Yamãni in 1991.[77] The order in which Yamãni talks about the Prophet's family is very interesting: he first talks about Khadija, then Fatima, 'Ali, Hasan, Husayn, Zaynu 'l-'Ãbidyn, and then ends with the other wives of the Prophet.

Wilfred Madelung makes the following observation on the verse of purification: "Who are the 'people of the house' here? The pronoun referring to them is in the masculine plural, while the preceding part of the verse is in the feminine plural. This change of gender has evidently contributed to the birth of various accounts of a legendary character, attaching the latter part of the verse to the five People of the Mantle (ahl al-kisã'): Muhammad, 'Ali, Fãtima, Hasan and Husayn. In spite of the obvious Shí'ite significance, the great majority of the reports quoted by al-Tabari in his commentary on this verse support this interpretation."[78]

From the many reports that the Sunni sources narrated, here I am just quoting one as an example. Abu Sa'íd al-Khudari quotes Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet in whose house the incident of Kisã' took place. She says: Jibra'íl came with the verse of purification; the Prophet called Hasan, Husayn, Fãtima and 'Ali, and he gathered them together and covered them with the mantle. Then he said, "O Allãh, these are my Ahlul Bayt, so 'keep away the abomination from the Ahlul Bayt, and purify them thoroughly.'" Umm Salama (may Allãh be pleased with her) said, "Am I with them, O Apostle of Allãh?" The Prophet said, "You stay in your place, and you are virtuous."[79]

Since this verse is situated right in the midst of the verses addressed to the wives of the Prophet, some Sunnis use its position to include the wives in the "Ahlul Bayt". But the problem with their interpretation is the difference in the pronouns: the sentences before and after the verse of purification have feminine plural pronouns whereas the statement itself has the masculine plural pronouns. This is internal evidence that the statement of purification was an independent verse that was revealed on its own in a different event unrelated to the wives.

In spite of the great majority of reports by Sunnis supporting the view that this part of the verse was a separate revelation that was later attached to the rest, Madelung has difficulty in accepting it as such. In his interpretation, he has tried to apply the term 'Ahlul Bayt' primarily to the Bani Hãshim and then, in the second place, to the wives. But he has failed to explain the gender difference in the pronouns used in the whole passage.

The Shí'ite and Sunni reports clearly apply the term "Ahlul Bayt" in the statement of purification to the Ahlul Kisã', excluding the wives of the Prophet. And the gender difference in the pronouns was to show the contrast between the "Ahlul Bayt" and the wives. In words of Mirza Mahdi Puya, "While the address in the beginning of the verse is in the feminine gender - there is the transition here in the address from the feminine to the masculine gender. While referring to the consorts of the Holy Prophet, the pronouns also are consistently feminine. For a mixed assembly of men and women, generally the masculine gender is used. This transition in the grammatical use of the language, makes it quite obvious that this clause is quite a different matter used for a different group other than the previous one, and has been suitably placed here to show a comparative position of the Ahlu 'l-bayt in contrast to the wives of the Holy Prophet

Another important verse of the Qur'ãn that talks about the Ahlul Bayt is 42:23 in which Allãh, subhãnahu wa ta'ãla, says:

"(O Muhammad) Say, 'I do not ask for any reward for this (bringing of Allãh's message) except the love for the near kinship.'"

The fact that this verse was revealed concerning the Ahlul Bayt, the family of the Prophet, is beyond any doubt. Imam Shãfí'i, the founder of the Sunni Shãfí'í school of law, has explained the meaning of this verse in a poem:

O Ahlul Bayt of the Messenger of Allãh, your love,

Is a duty from Allãh, mentioned in the Qur'ãn.

In your honour, it is sufficient that one's prayer,

Is incomplete without praying for blessings on you.[81]

The Sunni polemicists have tried to reject the Shí'a point of view by the following arguments: (1) This verse was revealed in Mecca when Hasan and Husayn were not yet born, so how could it be applied on the Ahlul Bayt in the sense of Ahlul Kisã'? (2) Since it was revealed in Mecca, it is addressing the Quraysh by asking them 'to love Muhammad because he is from their kinship.' (3) Some say that it refers to all the Hashimites, and not just the Ahlul Bayt in the Shí'i definition.

First of all, the commentators of the Qur'ãn overwhelmingly state that even though chaper 42 is a Meccan surah, its verses 23-25, 27 were revealed in Medina. This makes the first and second arguments mentioned above baseless.

Secondly, the commandment asking for "love of the kinship of the Prophet" cannot apply to all of his kin because there were good as well as evil people among them; and so one has to restrict the import of this verse to those who were physically as well as spiritually connected to the Prophet. And no one can argue that 'Ali, Fãtimah, Hasan, and Husayn were not among those who were physically as well as spiritually related to the Prophet, even though he might extend this title to other members of Hashimite.

Finally, there are many reports in Sunni sources in which the Prophet applies this verse to the Ahlu 'l-Kisã'. For example, when this verse was revealed, the people asked the Prophet: "Who are these near kin of yours whose love is obligatory upon us?" He replied, "'Ali, Fãtima, and their two sons." He repeated this three times

Abu Sa'íd al-Khudari quotes Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet in whose house the incident of Kisã' took place. She says: Jibra'íl came with the verse of purification; the Prophet called Hasan, Husayn, Fãtima and 'Ali, and he gathered them together and covered them with the mantle. Then he said, "O Allãh, these are my Ahlul Bayt, so 'keep away the abomination from the Ahlul Bayt, and purify them thoroughly.'" Umm Salama (may Allãh be pleased with her) said, "Am I with them, O Apostle of Allãh?" The Prophet said, "You stay in your place, and you are virtuous.

So the wives are the Ahl-e-Bayt but in a different manner as written at the top of the post.

This is almost half the article. Could not post due to its length. The whole article is listed here with references.

http://www.al-islam.org/wilayat/6.htm

W.Salam

tell me why ummul momineen hazrat aaeysha siddiqa(ra) is not included in your definition of "aehl e bait"?
tell me is there any logical definition of aehl e bait?

why hazrat usman(ra)is not included in aehle bait. while he married two daughters of Nabee e kareem(saww)?

tell me why ummul momineen hazrat hafsa(ra) is not included in the definition of "aahl e bait"?

can you please tell me the definition of aehl e bait?

"why is there a hue and cry from the sunnis when we put up ayats in praise of Ali AS which have been confirmed through sunni sources as well?"

again the perception.
tell me how many sunnis are in pakistan or any islamic country have the belief like "tabarrah".
how a muslim can curse on aehl e bait?
its beyond my imagination.
there are people who certainly support yazeed and hazrat ameer muawiyah(ra) against hazrat ali(ra) and hazrat imam hussain(ra) but no body curse them. and tell me how many people are they? you can count on fingers. i know just two of them.but they also do not curse aehl e bait.
and can you tell me why the concept of aehl e bait is reserved for "aal e ali(ra)". there were 11 umhat ulmomineen(ra), there were "aal e aqeel" there were "aal e jaafir"
can you please tell me why such a big group can not be labeled as "aaehle bait"

@Jawad:

We would not have such a problem with the particular sahaba if they would not have been the ghasibeen of the huqooq of the Ahl-e-Bait.

Also; why is there a hue and cry from the sunnis when we put up ayats in praise of Ali AS which have been confirmed through sunni sources as well? As much as you love your sahabas; we love the Ahl-e-Bayt too. As you have ahadith praising them; so do we in praise of the Ahl-e-Bayt. Confirming the source and the validity of the ahadith is a totally different issue. You do not accept our sources while we do not accept yours; that is a matter of debate among people who have more knowledge than you and me; but to come and provoke people; spread slander and lies relating to us shias from wahabi/salafi/nasibi propaganda websites and issue takfirs and insulting the maraje who by the way are more far more knowledgeable in Islam than the ones insulting them have spent most of their life striving for Islam. What Yousef and Wasey and the other guy did really shows the level of information the sunnis hold about shias.
What is really more sad that these kinds of people totally discredit the shias from absolutely everything and spread lies about the start of shiism (with reference to the wahabi concoction of abudullah bin sabah). It is really sad and shocking.
They downplay Iran as aides of the Israelis (Yousef was the first one who provoked this discussion in the first place). They and their children (Hezbollah) have kept the Americans and the Israelis at bay. Why cant sunnis accept the fact that shias are majority in these countries (Iraq, Iran, Bahrain and soon Lebanon)? Their hatred for Shias and Iran is due to pure jealousy.

Also; the main points of contention with us shias lies in some basic points which are used by the wahabis in generating propaganda and have websites like shia.islamicweb.com which is a well known anti shia site; which almost every sunni debatist uses. If you want information regarding us; why dont you ask us? Referring to anti shia websites and blatantly copy pasting it on public forums will lead to a flame war; just like what happened here.

1. Wilayat and the Successorship of Ali AS
2. Masumiat of the Ahl-e-Bayt
3. Muta
4. Taqayyah
5. Tabarrah

Wilayah and the insistence of the Masumiat is a topic on its own and as I previously said that writing 4 or 5 lines does not do justice to the subject. Therefore I have included a link so that you could read and make up your own mind. We do not force our views down your throats like the wahabis (taliban) try do with shias and non-muslims; rather let you make up your own mind about it.

Wahabis generally regard muta as zina (nauzubillah) while they have a system of their own called mizyar in place in saudi arabia. Why is that they have altered the deen of Muhammad SAW? Muta was considered halal at the time of Holy Prophet SAW and has ayas in the Quran and ahadith supporting it. It was in the time of Umar that muta was declared haraam. Why did he change the shariat? You accuse us of making changes in deen.

Tabarrah is another issue; we do not regard muawia and yazid as khalifas and they were ghasibeen and murdered the grandsons of the Prophet SAW by forcefully asking baiyat from them. Even Allah sends lanat in the Quran. Surah Tauba does not have Bismillah; why? Allah SWT being the Most Merciful says that he is not Merciful for those who have committed and indulged in wrong doings. Yes we do send lanat but do not indulge in dirtying our tongues; lanat is just asking Allah SWT to retrach his mercy from the wrong doers.

I have given you a reference for taqayyah in a post above where Ammar bin Yasir had to lie and hide his faith to save his life. I have even given a reference from Quran which says that that he who is compelled while his heart re­mains steadfast with the faith has nothing to worry. Did Prophet SAW proclaim him a a kafir?
Us believing in Taqayyah does not mean that we shias indulge in lying about absolutely everything everyday. Taqayyah has its rules and is only valid in the matter of faith where you have a fear of loss of limb to your life.

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So my friend; spreading slander and lies doesnt help. Pick up our books and see what they say; its not like they'll brainwash you. Make up your own mind regarding matters of faith.

WSalam.

publicly expression of these beliefs caused some serious problem for shia community.i know there is intense hatred in the hearts and minds of some people and this hatred caused a loss of many lives(mostly shia) i hope shia realize this mistake and refrain theirselves from repeating it.

First abu bakr (ra) and then umar farooq(ra) and what next?
Its seems that you are such a blind folded by your religious prejudice that no one,not even ahadith e mubarika can change your mind.
And You will never realize that the fundamental questions will be always there that:
“ IF HAZART E SHAIKHEN WERE NOT SINCERE THEN WHY ALLAH(SWT) DID NOT INFORMED NABEE E KAREEM(SAWW) ABOUT THAT?
WHY THEY GOT HIGHEST POSITION AFTER NABEE E KAREEM(SAWW)?
WHY THERE ARE SO MANY AHADITH ABOUT THEIR SERVICES AND THEIR HIGHER LEVEL AMONG MOST DEVOTED SAHABA E KARAM?

Well bear! faith is faith.there are billions of people who worship even the aninmal it is there faith. The faith of sunni is based on quran and sunnah.which is supported by history.
Let me tell you about hazrat umar farooq (ra) in the light of history and hadith

"If anyone want to make his children Orphan and wife as a widow, do stop us!".
These are the words of hazrat umar farooq (ra) when he embraced islam.his embracing of islam was one of the most crucial event in Islamic history. ALLAH(SWT) gave NABEE E KAREEM (saaw) the strength by umar farooq(ra)The misHoly Prophet
The mission of RASOOL E KAREEM(saww) was still on initial stages and islam was weak.chiefs of Makkah were against islam.one night Nabee e kareem(saww) stood in front of kaaba and prayed:
Lord! Make islam strong with either of the two men,amr bin hasham or umar bin khattab.it is impossible to mention his services for Nabee e kareem(saww) and islam in just one page

Hazrat Umar Farooq (r.a) earned the title of "Al-Farooq" (the one who makes the clear difference between Right and Wrong) from the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w). He participated in all the battles of Islam with Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w).
History notes that He donated his half of the property when being asked for by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) in the way of ALLAH. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) noted and said many times that it looks, Umar speaks and Quran is bestowed upon. Few examples of ALLAH's rule are; Hijab, offering 2 prayers as "Nafal" at "Baab-e-Ibrahim" in Kaaba, solution for the prisoners of Badr, not to offer Duua on "Munafiq" grave etc.... Hazrat Umar Farooq (r.a) passed his great Caliphate of approximately 10 years after the death of Hazrat Abu Bakr (r.a). His Caliphate is the most popular and memorable Caliphate according to fair and just amongst all others.

Do you know what Prophet Muhammad (saww) said about hazrat umar (ra)

1. I see that devil either from humans or jinn, runs away from Umar. (Tirimzi)

2. I saw in a dream that I was given a bowl of milk which I drunk and remaining I gave it to Umar. (Tirimzi)

3. No doubt, ALLAH has issue truth, on the tongue and in the heart of Umar. (Tirimzi)

4. I saw a dream that I am in the Heaven, there I saw Rameesa (my quilt aunt) and I heard someone's footstep, I asked: who is this?. I was answered: it is Bilal and I saw a palace with a handmaid standing in front of it, I asked: whose palace is this?. She said: Umar bin Khattab's. I wished to see it from inside but, Oh Umar!, I divided my attention from your shame. Hazrat Umar (r.a) said: My father and mother be sacrificed upon You, should I ponder from Your saying?. (Bukhari)

5. If some else Prophet should have been proposed by ALLAH after me, would have been Umar bin Khattab. (Tirimzi)

Its funny to see that you gave so much refrences from Quran e kareem which can not be applied on Hazrat umar farooq(ra)
And hadith you quoted about umar farooq was incomplete I quote it again.

“Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Note: It is apparent from this Hadith that Ibn 'Abbes had witnessed the event and came out saying this statement. The truth is not so, for Ibn 'Abbas used to say this statement on narrating the Hadith and he had not witnessed the event personally. See Fath Al-Bari Vol. 1, p.220 footnote.) (See Hadith No. 228, Vol. 4).

See. How far you went in the enmity of exalted Hazrat e shaikhen(ra).

In last I would like to say you have a bad perception about HAZRAT E SHAIKHEN(RA) a perception which is highly offensive and against quran and hadith.
If you want to remain stuck to your beliefs. Fine! We do not have a problem with that but please do not try to twist the meaning of quran and sunnah for this loathsome goal.
And do not express your belief in public because they are highly reverd and loved personalities after nabee e kareem(saww) I can understand the reason why shia hate some sahaba e kiram(ra) but sunnis can not tolerate the derisive and derogatory approach against these people.
Ihope

Rather than taking your knowledge from wahabis about us; why dont you take information about us from us?

We are not people of those types who go rabid when they see shias; like wasey...

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Peshawari Nights: Debate b/w shias and sunnis.
http://www.al-islam.org/peshawar/toc.html

Alrite; probably my browser wasnt working because of the length of the post.

@Yousef

shia.islamicweb.com is a wahabi propaganda site which has a clear bias against shias. They have fabricated references which arent even there. Bring me something from www.al-islam.com otherwise you will be just spreading lies and slander; which is not befitting for the status of a muslim.

Muta was permitted in the time of the Prophet SAW; it was Umar who banned it. Why did he change the shariat of Muhammad SAW? Why are the saudis running a parallel system of mizyar then?

It is nowhere written in our books nor do we believe that the Imams can change the deen or change the halal haram of the deen of Muhammad SAW. This is only propagated by your wahabi filth who have nothing but hatred for shias.

I have written about taqayyah in the above post. Was Ammar bin Yasir held to be a kafir by the Prophet SAW? Did you even take the time to read it or just came and blindly made another comment using prewritten notes saved in your pc under the names of "Propaganda against shias"?

About wilayat; i wouldnt do justice by writing a few lines
Read:

http://www.al-islam.org/wilayat/

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"Wilãyat," derived from wilã', means power, authority or a right of certain kind. In Shí'a theology, "wilãyat" is the authority invested in the Prophet and the Ahlul Bayt as representatives of Almighty Allãh on this earth.

According to the late Murtaza Mutahhari, wilãyat has four dimensions:

The right of love and devotion (wilã'-e muhabbat): This right places the Muslims under the obligation of loving the Ahlul Bayt.

The authority in spiritual guidance (wilã'-e imãmat): This reflects the power and authority of the Ahlul Bayt in guiding their followers in spiritual matters.

The authority in socio-political guidance (wilã'-e zi'ãmat): This dimension of wilãyat reflects the right that the Ahlul Bayt have to lead the Muslims in social and political aspects of life.

The authority of the universal nature (wilã'-e tasarruf): This dimension reflects universal power over the entire universe that the Prophet and Ahlul Bayt have been vested with by the grace of Almighty Allãh
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Cant add comments; probably limit is reached...

SM Imran HZ,

Now deny these, taken from your own books

Taqiyyah (essentially means to lie to hide the truth)

1.) The believe in Taqiyya.
2.) This means 'Holy Deception'.
3.) To believe in something but express/ say something else.
4.) They say 9-10th of Deen is Taqiyya.
5.) They say, he who has no Taqiyya has no deen.
6.) There is a great reward in Lying.
7.) They say the great Imams Practised 'Taqiyya'.
8.) They say Alli (R.A), Hassan (R.A), Hussain(R.A) practiced 'Taqiyya'.
9.) They say Hussein (R.A) practiced 'Taqiyya'.
10.) Perorm Jamaah salaat with Sunni's.
11.) Visit their sick .
12.) Perform their Janazah Salaat.

References:
(1.) Usul -e- Kafi. (2.) Ibid. (3.) Ibid. (4.) Ibid. (5.) Ibid. (6.) Ibid. (7.) Islaamic Goverment P35/ 133 .(8.) Ibid. (9.) Ibid. (10.) Usul -e- Kafi. (11.) Ibid.(12.) Ibid

1.) They believe in 12 Imaams after Rasulullaah .
2.) First being Ali (R.A).
3.) Last being the 12th Imaam
4.) Who is in a Cave 'Surra - Man- Raa'.
5.) Imaams they believe are Masoom- innocent.
6.) They can make Halaal- Haraam and Haraam - Halaal .
7.) They can change Deen- Sharia.
8.) They are born of their mothers thighs.
9.) They have the knowledge of the Unseen.
I told you about this one too. My shia friends did mention this too.
10.) They say Imaams are higher in status than the Ambiyaa including our Nabi.

11.) No concession regarding Wilaayah- (absolute necessary belief).
12.) If one does not accept Imaams then one is a Kaafir.

References:
(1.) Usul -e - Kafi. (2.) Usul -e - Kafi. (3.) Usul -e - Kafi. (4.) Usul -e - Kafi. (5.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225 / Kafi - Kitaabul Hujjuah. (6.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225. (7.) Ibid. (8.) Ibid /Haqqul Yaqeen P126.(9.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225. (10.) Ibid / Al Hukumatul - Islaamiyaa - 52 Khomeni. Hayaatul Qutoob Vol 3, P10 /Ibid Vol 2. P787. Footnote. (11.) Usul -e- Kafi Vol 2. P278. (12.) Usul -e- Kafi Vol 1. P225.

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Mut'a (temporary marriage, legalised prostitution)

1.) "It is disliked but permissable to have Mutah with a prostitute, especially( it will be more enjoyable) if she is famous for her prostitution."
2.)One time 'Muta' reward is Jannat.
3.)When the couple sit in Solitude, angels protect them.
4.)Their Speech is Tasbeeh .
5.)When they touch hands, sins fall from their fingers.
6.)When they Kiss, reward of Hajj and Umrah for both.
7.)On bathing - every drop from each hair brings reward of 10 Thawabs, 10 sins drop, stages raised by 10 fold.
8.)From every drop of water, angels created to make Tasbeeh till Qiyaamat.
9.)'Muta' with believing women is like 70 times journey to Ka'aba.
10.) Contractors of 'Muta' will cross the 'Pul Siraat' like a flash of lightning.
11.) After making muta Once - The stage of Hussain is reached. After making muta twice - The stage of Hasan is reached. After making muta thrice- The stage of Ali is reached. After making Muta Fourth- The satge of Rasulullaah is reached

References:
(1.) Tahrirul Wasillah Vol-2 P292. (2.) Ujul - e- Hasana P15. (4.) bid.( 5.) Ibid.( 6.) Ibid. (7.) Ibid. (8.) Ibid. (9.) Ujul - e- Hasana P16.(10.) Ujul - e- Hasana P17. (11.) Tafseer Mianjajus Sadiqeen 1:356.

Go and research these, either you don't know these are you are simply doing Taqiyyah

If you want more material find from the following source:
http://shia.islamicweb.com/

For AbuBakar, we don't need your approval or your ratings, the place where he is lying now is good enough for us

@Jawad

About Taqayya:

Ammar bin Yasir
In the very beginning of Islam, the Quraishites brutally martyred Yasir and his wife Sumaiyah just be­cause of their faith. They were the first martyrs of Islam. When the parents were killed, Ammar pretended to re­nounce Islam, and thus saved his life. Someone told the Prophet that Ammar had become kafir. The Prophet said: "Never; verily the flesh and blood of 'Ammar is saturated with true faith." Then Ammar came to the Holy Prophet bitterly weeping that he had to utter evil words against Islam so that he could slip away from the clutches of the infidels. The Prophet asked him; `How did you find your heart?" Ammar said: "Steadfast in Faith". The Holy Prophet told him not to worry and ad­vised him to repeat those words if the infidels again asked him to do so.

And it was not only the Holy Prophet who liked the choice of Ammar (ra). Even Allah confirmed his ac­tion in this verse:

He who disbelieves in Allah after his belief in Him (is the liar) except he who is compelled while his heart re­mains steadfast with the faith (has nothing to worry). But he who opens his breast for infidelity, on these is the wrath of Allah, and for them is a great torment. Quran (16:106)

All commentaries of the Qur’an narrate that it was re­vealed concerning the above incident of Ammar.
(a) as‑Suyuti, Tafsir ad‑Durru 'l‑manthur, vol. 4, p. 132;
(b) ar‑Razi, Tafsir Mafatihu l‑ghayb;
(c) az‑Zamakhshari, Tafsir al‑Kashshaf, Beirut, vol. 2, p. 43c).
Practically all books of Tafsir describe this event under this verse.

Let not the believers take the disbelievers as their friends rather than the believers; whoso shall do this then he has no relation with Allah except when you have to guard Yourselves against them for fear from them; but Allah cau­tions you of Himself for unto Allah is the end of your jour­ney. Say, whether you conceal what is in your hearts or manifest it, Allah knows it; and He knows all that is in the heavens and all that is‑in the earth; and verily Allah has power over all things. Quran, 3:28‑29

The Prophet SAW has already warned us:

I shall arrive at the Pool before you, and he who passes by me will drink, and whoever drinks from it will never feel thirsty. There will come to me people that I know and they know me, but we shall be separated, then I shall say, "My companions". An answer shall come, "You do you not know what they did after you". Then I shall say, "Away with those who changed after me."

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Page 585 "English Version"

For you Wasey:

The Condition of Deficiency:

Simple Ignorance: This disease is caused by a deficiency of the Power of Intellect in the individual, and is said to exist when the individual lacks knowledge and learning, but is aware of his ignorance. This is in contrast to `compound ignorance'-a state in which one not only does not realize his ignorance but considers himself to be knowledgeable.

It is obvious that the treatment of `simple ignorance' is easier than that of `compound ignorance'. In order to cure `simple ignorance' all that is necessary is to examine the evil consequences of ignorance, and realize the fact that man's distinction over the rest of animals lies in knowledge and learning. In addition to this, he should note the importance of learning and knowledge as attested by reason and also Revelation. The consequence of such contemplation and reflection would be an automatic desire for learning. He must pursue this desire with the greatest ardour, and not allow the smallest speck of hesitation or doubt to enter into his mind.

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Were you born with knowledge? Stop acting like the Quran was brought down on you nauzubillah and gain something from this discussion.

@Wasey:

If you are not able to answer basic questions which I have asked from you by giving references to your own books; dont open your filthy trap which just tends to portray the type of education or the lack of it you have got from your parents. You're making your parents proud i presume.

It is a well known fact that abu bakr burnt down the door on Fatima AS. Read up your books; if you know how to read that is.

You are not worth discussing issues we have in our ummah. Did i in any manner say you are a kafir? You and yousef were the ones who insist that shias are kafir. Shias never called sunnis kafirs not even once. We are only against the takfiri wahabis who spread propaganda against us and have perverted Islam is such a way that forced a bastard from denmark to make a film called fitna.

At least Jawad is of a better calibre than you are; who doesnt indulge in name calling.

SM Imran HZ Rafizi,

Quote me the hadith from Saha Sitta books that Abu Bakar burned down the door of Fatima (RA)(not from your books of lies)

and then also quote me any hadith from Saha Sitta that Ali(RA) cursed AbuBakar (RA) or Omar(RA) (again not from your books of lies, which your rabi have written.)

If you are so sad about parachinar, then have you worn "Chorian" or are you Khachhar? go ahead fight them. No you are like your rabi with monh-kee-bawaseer.

@Jawad

Do not hate shias eh? Why not condemn the genocide against us parachinar and dg khan? Has your insaniat died? Not once in this whole discussion have you condemned the killings.

Hmm i wouldnt validate the website you have taken references from. It is a wahabi site full of misinformation and wrong references from nahjul balagha and other shia books. You're better off taking references from www.al-islam.org

I shall prove to you that Umar turned his back on the Prophet SAW and that Fidak was the property of Prophet SAW and was gifted to Fatima AS

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Surah Mujadilah verses 12-13 "Perform Salat (Prayer), give Zakat and Obey Allah and his Prophet"

Surah Nur verse 54 "Obey Allah and his Prophet and if you dispute, then on him is what is imposed on him, and on you is what is imposed on you; and if you obey him you are guided aright; and there is no duty on the Prophet save the clear delivery".

Surah Aal-e-Imran verse 32 Say, "Obey Allah and the Prophet, but if they turn back, then verily Allah does not love the disbelievers"

Surah Anfal verse 20: "O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak)."

Surah Anfal verse 46 "And obey Allah and His Messenger and do not quarrel�."

Surah Nisa verse 80 "He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds)

Surah AL-AHZAB, verse 36: "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path"

Surah Nisa verse 65 "But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."

Surah Nisa verse 59 "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination."

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Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:

Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise.

See Fath Al-Bari Vol. 1 Book 3, Number 114

Long story short; Umar turned his back to the Prophet SAW and did not give the Prophet SAW a pen and paper to write his will.

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WHAT WAS THE STATUS, ACCORDING TO SHARIA, OF FADAK?

"Ghanimah is that property (or money), in which Muslims had worked to get it, while Fay is that property (or money), in which Muslims didn't have to ride the horses and camels."

Tafseer Kabeer, v8, p125, and Tafseer Muraghi, under the commentary of Surah Hashar (sunni sources)

i.e. was the land of fadak either "fay", or was it "ghanimah"?

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[59.6] And whatever Allah restored to His Apostle from them you did not press forward against it any horse or a riding camel (for example fadak, which was won without fighting) but Allah gives authority to His apostles against whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things.

so...fay is something which is won without fighting.

WHAT WAS FADAK AND HOW WAS IT WON?

"When the Prophet (s) returned from Khayber, he sent Muhisa bin Masood to propagate Islam to the people of Khayber. The leader of the Jews of Khayber at that time was Yusha bin Nun. The people of Fadak refused to accept Islam, but offered to give them half of their Land of Fadak. The Prophet (s) took half the land and allowed them to live there. This half Land of Fadak was property of the Prophet (s), as the Muslims didn't ride horses over it".

History of Tabari, v3, p1583 (amongst others)

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WAS FADAK OWNED BY THE PROPHET, OR WAS IT PUBLIC PROPERTY?

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4347:
It has been narrated on the authority of Umar, who said: The properties abandoned by Banu Nadir were the ones which Allah bestowed upon His Apostle for which no expedition was undertaken either with cavalry or camelry. These properties were particularly meant for the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him). He would meet the annual expenditure of his family from the income thereof, and would spend what remained for purchasing horses and weapons as preparation for Jihad

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DO PROPHETS LEAVE INHERITANCE?

[17.26] And give to the near of kin his due and (to) the needy and the wayfarer, and do not squander wastefully.

now, shall we see if the prophet gave fadak to bibi paak while he was alive, as a gift, proving that abu bakr confiscated fidak from Fatima AS

"Abu Saeed al Khudri and Abdullah Ibn Abbas narrate that when the verse relating to giving rights to kindred was revealed, the Prophet called Fatima Zahra and gifted the land of Fadak to her".

Tafseer Dur al-Manthur, Vol. 4, page 177

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I have shown you through your own books that fidak was the property of the Prophet SAW and abu bakr usurped the land from Fatima AS and called her a liar.
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@danial burki!
i do not hate shias.i just want to convince them with the reason.

@SM imran HZ!
what are you trying to tell that these ahadith are false(nauz u billah)? or
Nabee e Kareem(saaw) was cheated (nauz o billah) by His companions who were dearer to Nabi e Kareem(saa) whom they trusted, who passed toughest tests,ALLAW(swt) took.

please do not try to dodge the issue.say it loud and clear.

"Fadak was neither inheritance nor a gift. This was exactly the position of Hazrat Ali(ra). When he became the Khalifah he did not treat Fadak as the estate of his deceased wife Sayyidah Fatimah, by taking a quarter for himself and distributing the remaining three quarters between , Husayn and Umm Kulthum according to the rule “to the male twice the share of the female”. This is an established fact of history. Why is Abu Bakr execrated for something which was also done by ‘Ali? In fact, Sayyid Murtada (known as ‘Alam al-Huda) narrates in his book on Imamah entitled ash-Shafi, that when ‘Ali became the khalifah he was approached about returning Fadak. His reply was: “I am ashamed before Allah to overturn something that was prohibited by Abu Bakr and continued by ‘Umar.” (al-Murtada, ash-Shafi fil-Imamah, p. 231; and Ibn Abil Hadid, Sharh Nahj al-Balaghah, vol. 4)

see the detail discussion on:
http://shia.islamicweb.com/

yeah; clearly visible from the genocide of the shias in parachinar and dg khan...

Haha, nice to see that the fundos not only hate the infidels, but other Muslims too.

@Jawad:
Pulled a nerve didnt I?
I did not manipulate any hadith; i have given references by your own books regarding fidak and the iman of abu bakr; if they were shia books you could have raised a valid point that i am biased. Do you deny the existence of ahadith i mentioned in your books?

All of your ahadith dont change the fact that abu bakr burnt down the door on Fatima AS and stole fidak which was the property of Muhammad SAW which was meant as a gift for Fatima AS and called her a liar; and umar denied the dying Prophet SAW a pen and paper regards to which i even referenced an ayat that you should not turn you back on the Prophet SAW. Make up your own mind; ill not waste more of your time.

@Wasey:
You back your claims from jewish websites; do you even take your fiqh from them? You should probably move to haifa or telaviv.
We war against Islam? Last time i checked your respected yazid lanti and muawia lanati were the ones who forcefully wanted baiat from Imam Hussain AS. They are nothing but ghasibeen and your sahaba paved the way for them and are their accomplices.

dr. Jawwad,

These shias are reaping the fruits of war against Islam. I wish sunnis knew their real face.

They are back-stabbers to the core. They would deny Quran and ahadith and follow the fabricated stories of their retarded Sistanis and Khamnaees and grave-worshippers.

They fabricate lies upon lies and in this dajjali fitna, they are becoming the Heroes and the heroes are now termed as villains.

They are the children of Abdullah bin Saba, who pretended that he embraced Islam just to divide the Muslims. Their sect started based on hate for Sahaba, hypcracy and back-stabbing. So what can we expect?

SM imran HZ!
I did not want to post further in this issue but i was shocke to see how cunningly and sacrigiously you mannipulated the Quran e kareem aahadith e mubarika.
also amazingly i found you master in mixing up different issues. like fadak, namaz, and hazrat abu bakr siddiq (ra).can't you just pick a particular subject and discuss it? one issue at the moment?
what made me compelled your derogatory viws of the most exalted person after Nabee e kareem(ra).
its shocking to see that you gone so far in the enmity of sahaba e kiram (RAs) that you couldn't hold yourself from twisting and manipulating the Quran and Hadith.

please do not go so far and allow me to present some Quranic verses and Ahadith mubarika in the highness of Hazrat abu bakr siddiq (ra)

There are many Qura'nic verses about the exaltation of Hazrat Abu Bakr (R) one is in chapter Tauba: "Verily, Allah gives him support, when infidels expelled him."

About a verse in chapter Zammer: "And who brought forward the true verse and that when believed it truth those are pious," Hazrat Ali (R) said that prophet (PBUH) is indicated by words 'who brought forward the true verse and the one who testified it is Hazrat Abu Bakr (R)."

Among all the people, he was called "Al-Atiq," the most pious, delivered from the punishments of the fire.
Besides, there are many Hadiths in praise of Hazrat Abu Bakr (R). The Prophet (PBUH) said:
"Had I made anyone my friend except Allah, I would have chosen Abu Bakr (R).

"What ever Allah poured into my heart, I poured into the heart of Abu Bakr."

The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said:
"Whenever I offered Islam to anyone, he always showed some reluctance and hesitation and tried to enter into an argument. Abu Bakr (R) was the only person who accepted Islam without any doubt or hesitation, and without any argument."

"Allah will show His glory to the people in a general way, but He will show it to Hazrat Abu Bakr (R) in a special way."

"Never was anything revealed to me that I did not pour into the heart of Abu Bakr."

"There is no one to whom I am obligated and have not repaid my debt except Abu Bakr, for I owe him much for which Allah will compensate him on the Day of Judgment."

"Hazrat Abu Bakr (R) does not precede you because of much prayer or fasting, but because of a secret that is in his heart."

Bukhari narrates from Ibn Umar, who said: "In the time of the Prophet (PBUH) we were not recognising anyone higher than Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (R), then Umar(R), then Usman(R)."
He freed seven slaves before leaving Mecca. He not only spent large amounts to buy them freedom but he then took them into his own household and educated them.

the holy Prophet had the Miraj of Ascension. One night the angel Gabriel came with the word that Allah the Almighty wanted the holy Prophet to come all the way up to the highest heaven. The holy Prophet undertook the journey.
In the morning, after the ascension had taken place, the holy Prophet talked to people about the Miraj. This drew the jeers of his enemies.
"Look!" the howled out, "what nonsense he talks! Surely, now his followers too will laugh at him. Who is going to believe in such a midsummer night dream?"
The talk was going on when Abu Bakr came up. "Do you know, Abu Bakr, what news your friend has for you in the morning?" said one of the mean. "He says he was on the highest heaven last night, having a talk with Allah, the Almighty. Would you believe it?" "I would believe anything that the Messenger of Allah says," replied Abu Bakr When the holy Prophet learnt of this, he at once said, "Abu Bakr is the `Siddiq'." `Siddiq' is a person so sincere of heart that doubts never mar his love. Abu Bakr earned this title because of his faith was too strong to be shaken by anything.

By using your analogy; i could also say that there are no shia mosques in makkah and madina. Why is that? What are the wahabis scared of? Human rights my ass. Wahabis are at the forefront of destroying the image of Islam. Women arent even allowed to drive or take part in government. Islam was supposed to uphold the status of women. Worst of all; ale saud sleep with the americans; building up petrodollars and funding jihadi mentality. Al Qaeda; lashkare jhangvi; laskhare taiba; sipah sahaba; all the illegitimate children of the saudi ale saud lanti regime+american cia; just to kill shias. Its because of wahabis; Islam is now spitted upon in the whole world.

While we shias fight the americans and israelis and show our resent for them (shoeing of bush was by no other than a shia); you people are busy killing muslims in nwfp and all over pakistan and have your hands blood stained with the thousands of shias killed in pakistan and iraq; to top it off you dont even condemn the killings; but rather indulge in comments which clearly portray your nazi-fascist mentality and your resent for Iran and the maraje which also show that your sahaba have not taught you manners. Oh yeah; they called stole the property of the Prophet SAW and called Fatima AS a liar nauzubillah; so i guess they wouldn't know manners...
See; i can even indulge in hate speech :)

You saw abubakr leading the prayer; but you did not see Muhammad SAW holding ALI AS on his shoulders on the day of ghadeer saying "Man kuntu Maula fahaza Aliyyun Maula". Your sahabas came and said "Bakhin bakhin laka yabna Abi Talib". You deny that? The Prophet SAW stopped the whole Ummah for what? Just to tell that Ali AS is your friend? Whenever the Prophet SAW does or says something it is only by the command of Allah; as said by the Quran. After that the ayat of Alyoma akmaltu came down. Deen was made complete by the Prophet SAW announcing the successorship of Ali AS. You deny what the Quran has to say?

@Yousef

Dear God; now you resort to telling lies :D

When do you say Bismillah in namaz; enlighten me
When do you say durood on Muhammad SAW in namaz; enlighten me...

You are refuting ahadith from your own books; please go and have a look at what your books have to say about the Iman of Abu Bakr rather than emotionally writing paragraphs in his praise. I have given you references from your own books by imam bukhari and tafseer ibn e katheer; please take the time to read them through.

Abu bakr will go to heaven after stealing the property of the Prophet SAW and calling Fatima AS a liar? Think again, this is blasphemy on the highest level condemnable by death; but then you cant think; so thats fine by me if you dont understand.

Yes we are proud and do matam everyday to protest against the ghasibeen of the huqooq of the Ahl-e-Bait. You deny Ghadeer which is supported in the Quran; what legitimacy do you have for your faith in the sahabas?

Baqi still exists; but do they allow people to visit? Where is your so called basic human right gone now? Recently shias were murdered by the wahabi biddat force in madina because these people wanted to go inside.

Abdulah bin Sabah is nothing but a demented concoction of your wahabi/salafi/nasibi/jewish masters to degrade shiism. Did you forget Dawat-e-Zul-Ashirah? Please read some history about the start of shiism.

Nuseris have nothing to do with shiism; they are purely kafirs who have elevated the status of Ali AS; and Ali AS himself ordered these people to be thrown into the fire.
You are committing the same mistake by elevating your hellbound sahaba to the status of the Prophet SAW.

muawiya tere jad pe lanat; beshumar...

SM Imran HZ,

and if there was no Omar(RA), Iranian today would be worshipping fire...

Muslims opened the door for Islam in Iran under the Khilafah of Omar(RA)

But your sistanis and khamnaees are ahsan faramosh, back stabbers

Is there a single capital city in the world without a Sunni mosque, with the exception to Tehran -the capital of the Shi'ah-, which has forty Christian churches and a cemetery for the Baha'is .

Whilst we are living in the twentieth century, we find a third of the population of a nation deprived of their most basic rights. Is there any other country on the face of the earth which prevents its people from choosing names like Umar, A'ishah, Hafsah, Abu Bakr, Zubair...

The double-faced regime was able, through raising the banner of Islamic unity, to fool many Muslims outside Iran as they ask them to attend their conferences, and transform their way of thinking within a short period of time.

Sunnis in Iran were forced to convert to Shia
more details at http://shia.islamicweb.com/

SM Imran HZ,

You said:Matam is nothing but a protest against the ghasibeen of the huqooq of Ahl-e-Bait.

Protest by bleeding your self? Please do it every day. Do you have the sorrow for only one day? why don't you devout your life to it, or may be kill yourself once and for all. Sistani aur jhotastani have given you the permission. Please continue this protest and instead of small knives why don't you guys cut yourself with swords.

You said: Why have you excluded Bismillah from your namaz?
Why dont you send salawat on Prophet SAW in namaz? Does it not reach him?

Your retard clerics who told you this are liars as usual. We do say Bismillah and we send duroon on Muhammad S.A.W.W. You and like of you live in dark ages, come to light and see the beauty of our religion

You said:If you are so keen not to visit graves; why dont you raze your graveyards like the lanti ale saud did with baqih and burn your dead instead just like the hindus?

Just another lie that your retarded cleric told you. Go to Madinah, janat-ul-baqee still exists. Yes we sunni don't make Mazars (a money making spot of Shias and ahle-e-bidat)

You and your retarded clerics who waste their both lives, deny the ahadith when Muhammad S.A.W.W gave glad tidings of Jannat to 10 sahaba

But since AbuBakar (RA) and Omar (RA) were in the list you guys deny the existence of such a hadith

When Muhammad (S.A.W.W) was sick near his death, AbuBakar(RA) lead the prayer and Muhammad S.A.W.W approved it.....I'm sure you and your sick sistanis and khamnaees would deny it

The problem with Shias is that they deny every hadith which credits AbuBakar (RA) and Omar (RA), where as messenger of Allah, Muhammad(S.A.W.W) said who ever loves my Sahaba, loves me and whoever hates them infact hates me.

The truth is Shiaism was invented by a yahudee, Abdullah bin Saba to take revenge from the Muslims. He started to divide the Muslims and this sect then later took the form of Shiaism

In early stage a majority of Shias were led to believe that Ali(RA) was to be worshipped. But Ali(RA) denied it and told those Shias to jump in the fire and they did and died. Some of them got to the right path and it seems some of them didn't just jump in the fire, but kept the belief.

Damn man; you sound like a broken record...

I have answered your question.

Matam is nothing but a protest against the ghasibeen of the huqooq of Ahl-e-Bait. It exists only to slap yazidis of your sorts who piss their pants everytime they hear the name of Ali AS from the mimbar.

Dont you have anything better to do; like wife; parents and kids? I have asked so many questions; you havent come with one refutation to save your blasphemous sahaba. Dont waste my time and yours. You look like a fool not answering any of my questions which btw have sunni references. Are you ready to refute your own books? I could go on like this for ages with you not bringing a single piece of evidence; proving that you are the most incompetent pile of crap ive ever debated with.

And before attacking the maraje again; talk to me when you have a better standard for your clerics.
We have a very high standard for a cleric to give fatwas; our clerics spend their entire life studying Islam in howzas and are still not permitted to give fatwas. Whereas your clerics just study in a random wahabi nasibi salafi fascist cum jewish madrassa which teaches nothing but that shias are kafirs; and killing one is a sure path to heaven; and are able to give fatwas within 2 years of studying. Great standards of clerics you have my friend.

SM Imran H Zaidi,

You didn't answer again.

Tell me if Fatima (RA) did do matam?

Tell me if Ali (RA) beat his chest and bled himself at the death of Muhammad (S.A.W.W) or at the death of Fatima (RA)?

Thats another proof that you do not have any thing to do with Ali(RA) and Muhammad (S.A.W.W)

Wasey;

One liners again :) Lets try again.

Nobody prayed namaz with their hands folded; this was a biddat introduced by umar when he saw captives with their hands in chains folded praying namaz.
Why do the malikis pray with their hands by their side? because he was the only one who lived near to the Prophet SAW and the rest of your imams did not even come close to living in madina; they were scattered in or around bagdhad.

Did Prophet Muhammad SAW pray namaz with his hands folded?
Why have you excluded Bismillah from your namaz? Even Allah makes up for one less Bismillah in Surah Tauba by adding it in Surah Nahl. What makes you think your namaz is accepted without Bismillah? Why dont you send salawat on Prophet SAW in namaz? Does it not reach him?
Why dont you believe in the divinity of Prophet Muhammad SAW? He was not illiterate and misguided; rather his nur and the nur of the ahle bait were the first creations by Allah AlMighty. Oh right you thought that Abu bakr cant go upto his status; lets bring Muhammad SAW down by saying that he is like us. Amazing.
If you are so keen not to visit graves; why dont you raze your graveyards like the lanti ale saud did with baqih and burn your dead instead just like the hindus?
Why do you reference jewish websites to back up your claims against shias?
Mutaá was allowed in the Prophet SAW time until Umar biddati banned it. Your books approve of the fact. Why did he change the shariat of Muhammad SAW?

Thats proof you have nothing to do with Prophet Muhammad SAW and Islam; let alone Ali AS and the rest of the Ahlul Bayt.

Matam is nothing but a protest against the ghasibeen of the huqooq of Ahl-e-Bait. It exists only to slap yazidis of your sorts who piss their pants everytime they hear the name of Ali AS from the mimbar.

Oh and you havent answered these questions yet.

1. Why you are permitted to pray behind a person who has committed fornication?
2. Refute the hadith that shirk was crawling inside Abu Bakr; ive given you references from your own books.
3. Why do you hide the fact that Abu bakr and your other sahabas were the ones involved in breaking and burning the door and Fatima AS?
3. Why did Abu Bakr steal fidak from Fatima AS? Also accept the fact that Abu Bakr caller her a liar. Was Fatima AS not the daughter of the Prophet SAW? How dare he even utter such blasphemy?
4. Why do you support the mizyar system of wahabis; which legalises prostitution?
5. Why do you turn a blind eye to Ghadir? The message by the Prophet SAW was as clear as day and even Quran has ayas supporting it.

SM Imran H Zaidi,

Tell me if Fatima (RA) did do matam?

Tell me if Ali (RA) beat his chest and bled himself at the death of Muhammad (S.A.W.W) or at the death of Fatima (RA)?

Thats another proof that you do not have any thing to do with Ali(RA) and Muhammad (S.A.W.W)

@ Jawad
You mean to say that we believe that the Quran wasnt descended upon Prophet Muhammad SAW? For once, try to stay away from wahabi nasibi cum jewish propaganda sites and stick to your sunni books. Last time i noticed you were the one not believing in the divinity of the Prophet SAW.
Do some more research about the satanic starter of wahabi fitna who ended up dying head first into the crapper.
You havent answered me the question about the permissibility in your fiqh of a imam(leader of congregation) who has fornicated and drinks alcohol. Explain the Saudi Mizyar system too if you will.

@Wasey
You just came up with one-liners; typical sunni culture :)
Take the time to read my post; as it contains references from your sunni books.

Surah Nisa verse 59 "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination."

Who is the Allah refering to by asking to obey the ones with "authority among you"? Allah commands us to obey the ulil-amr from us. Dont tell me its your sahaba. Being a companion of a Prophet does not mean they are automatically purified.

Surah Anfal verse 20: "O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak)."

Surah al Maidah verse 92 "Obey Allah and Obey his Prophet and worry, and be warned that the Prophet's duty is only to deliver the message clearly"

This is for your sahabi who turned away and did not listen to the Prophet SAW; with regards to the pen and paper hadith.

Your particular sahaba are nothing but ghasibeen who stole Fidak from Fatima AS and even called her a liar. How can your sahabi go to heaven if he calls the daughter of the Prophet SAW a liar?

WHY WAS ABU BAKR KEEN TO KEEP FADAK?

- the income was used for military expenses.

"Umar was angry with Abu Bakr and said, "If you give Fadak back to Fatima, where the expenses for army and defence will come from for at present all the Arabs are fighting against you. He then took the papers of Fadak from Fatima , and tore them into shreds".
Insanul Ayun fi Seerah al Halbeeya, Vol. 3, Page 487 & 488

WAS FADAK OWNED BY THE PROPHET, OR WAS IT PUBLIC PROPERTY?

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4347:
It has been narrated on the authority of Umar, who said: The properties abandoned by Banu Nadir were the ones which Allah bestowed upon His Apostle for which no expedition was undertaken either with cavalry or camelry. These properties were particularly meant for the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him). He would meet the annual expenditure of his family from the income thereof, and would spend what remained for purchasing horses and weapons as preparation for Jihad.

[38.30] And We gave to Dawood Sulaiman, most excellent the servant! Surely he was frequent in returning (to Allah).
[38.31] When there were brought to him in the evening (horses) still when standing, swift when running.

"Imam Abu Hanifa said that Iblis and The Great Truthful one Abu Bakr were equal in Iman".
Tareekh Baghdad Vol.13 Page 373

And one Hadith by Prophet SAW himself:
Shirk is moving inside you, like the crawling of an ant.

Source
Tafseer Durre Manthur, Volume 2 page 54
Kanz al Ummal Volume 2 pages 98-99
Izalathul Khifa Volume 1 page 199
al Adaab al Mufraad page 234 (by Imam Bukhari)
Tafseer Ibn Katheer Volume 2 page 465
Fathul Majeed Sharh Kitab Tayheed page 63
Hayaath al Haywaan Volume 2 page 80

All these are your sunni references.

Your precious sahaba are nothing but ghasibeen of the huqooq of the Ahlul-Bayt and will end up nowhere but the deepest pits of hell Inshallah.

Ghadeer is an incident which you all deny; why did Prophet Muhammad SAW hold Ali AS on his shoulders infront of so many muslims while returning from Hajj? Prophets SAW actions are not his; but Allah's actions himself as said by the Quran. You just turn a blind eye to the day of Ghadeer to legitimise your sahaba's ghasib rule.

About extreme forms of tatbeer; they only exist in asia; you will not see any other person outside asia indulging in that; it is not acceptable in the fiqh of many marjas including Ayatollah Seestani.

SM Imran H Zaidi,

You didn't answer Yousef's questions and started to yell, typical shia culture.

Tell me if Fatima (RA) did do matam?

Tell me if Ali (RA) beat his chest and bled himself at the death of Muhammad (S.A.W.W) or at the death of Fatima (RA)?

Thats another proof that you do not have any thing to do with Ali(RA) and Muhammad (S.A.W.W)

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As comes from Dr Jawwad's post, if the followers of Muhammad (S.A.W.W) can go astray you think that followers of Ali(RA) can not go astray?

The truth is your clerics have gone astray and you are following their footsteps. It doesn't harm Allah a bit, nor does it harm Allah's religion, but what they are doing is preparing their own hell fire.

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@SM Imran H Zaidi

"Dialog between a Muslim Scholar and Shia students"

Remember that the only sect that is saved on Judgment-Day is the one that strictly adheres to holy Quran and authentic Sunnah, You find today so-called "Islamic" sects which claim that they embody true Islam. However, those sects do or say something that is totally against Quran or Sunnah. “Ibathiah” which is the main sect in Oman, believe that the holy Quran is created rather than descended upon prophet Muhammad ( ). This is totally contrary to the Quranic verse: “We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)” (9:15). Shi’ites also believe that the Imam is impeccable, that is, he can never go wrong, and that he knows about the future. Can anyone know about the future other than Almighty Allah?!! This belief of theirs contradicts the following verse: “"He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make anyone acquainted with His Mysteries,”(26:72).

Scholar Salman Al-Odah (may Allah release him from the prison in which he has been unjustly thrown because he spoke out about religious contraventions in Saudi Arabia) met in the US Shi’ite students from Bahrain and the Eastern province of Saudi Arabia and the following dialogue took place:

Scholar: Tell me your opinion of the Khomeni of Iran?
Students: He was a great Islamic leader.
Scholar: Tell me your opinion of his revolution?
Students: His revolution prevailed over Kufr and scooped the Islamic Ummah from the mire into which it plunged.
Scholar: Do you think Khomeni put his trust in wrong places, that is, some of his followers who assisted him in his revolution were not worthy of his trust; they were deviant?
Students: Absolutely not! All his supporters were true Shi’ite Muslims who could never betray him; they were true to the Islamic cause.
Scholar: You said that Khomeni was a great leader and that he picked for his revolution the right people who could never betray him, because khomeni is an Imam and Imam can never go wrong. Is that what you said and meant?
Students: Exactly.
Scholar: Now tell me who is better Khomeni or prophet Muhammad ( )?
Students: Prophet Muhammad, naturally.
Scholar: Could the prophet go wrong?
Students: Certainly not.
Scholar: Could he put his trust in people unworthy of his trust?
Students: Never.
Scholar: So why do you disapprove of and slander those sahaba (prophet’s disciples) who were closest to him, like Abu Baker Al-Sadeeq and Omar Ibn Al-Khattab and say that those most righteous people of the prophet usurped khilafah from Ali Ibn Abi Talib. How could the prophet ( ) trust those people whom you think are unworthy of his trust. The prophet ( ) should have known better about their disloyalty.
Students: They were loyal Muslims during the prophet’s life but they went astray after his death.
Scholar: And do you think the matter of succeeding the prophet was so unimportant to Allah the Almighty that He did not tell the prophet ( ) about it before he died?

The Shi’ite were struck-dumb!

There are many sects that consider itself Islamic while it is really not.
Any sect that has among its articles of belief something against Quran or Sunnah, no matter how small, is no longer Islamic.

Remember, brothers and sisters, that while you follow the Quran and Sunnah you may do something or believe in something that automatically casts you out of the fold of Islam. So beware! Stick to the letter to Quaran and Sunnah, no additions, no subtractions and no alterations. In this respect I remember a do’a (prayer) that the prophet used to say: “ O You who can turn eyes and hearts upside down do steady my heart on your religion”.

Salaam

http://shia.islamicweb.com/

@Yousef:
Bravo; you have just confirmed that you are a jew in hiding; and you accuse us shias for aiding the jews. You have discredited yourself from this dialogue; as you are unworthy of any. Rather than answering my questions you have blatantly attacked shiism with wahabi salafi nasibi propaganda; then you have the balls to refer to a jewish website to back your claims. This is a problem in less learned sunnis in common; when they cant answer; they attack the maraje and the roots of shiism. Ali AS did not swear allegiance to anybody; the fact that you deny the incident of Ghadir says it all. Refer to your sunni books before ranting on public forums; rather than taking up fights on topics which have been fed into your brain by your wahabi salafi masters. By denying Ali AS the successorship of Prophet Muhammad SAW; your beloved sahaba; the specific ones; had become ghasibeen from day 1...

@jawwad
Couple of links for you...

A dialogue between a 12ver and a Sunni on the Caliphate containing references from highly regarded Sunni books as well as shia books.
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=...

Differnet views on tatbeer by sunnis and shias
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=...

Did Prophets sin? Views of sunnis and shias on "masoomiat"
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=...

Pity you did not say anything against the taliban and the genocide they are commiting against shias in Parachinar and DG Khan. Zalim ke zulm ko dekh kar chup rehne wala us ke zulm me barabar ka shareek hota hai...

I feel that this discussion is over...
May Allah guide us all to the Siratul Mustaqeem;
WSalam...

SM Imran H Zaidi,

Why don't you spell out the names of those sahaba, who your retarded clerics term as ghasibeen where as Ali (RA) swore allegiance to. This again proves that neither your khamnaees nor you have any thing to do with Ali(RA).

You guys are the children of Abdullah Bin Saba, the founder of Shiaism in Islam.

You can deny the Sunni Ulema, but look what your fathers have to say about Abdullah Bin Saba...
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view_page.jsp?ar...

Why don't you simply answer where this whole 'Matam thing' came from. You guys have closed your eyes to your decieving clerics. Who are nothing more than Bhaands.

Tell me if Fatima (RA) did do matam?

Tell me if Ali (RA) beat his chest and bled himself at the death of Muhammad (S.A.W.W) or at the death of Fatima (RA)?

Thats another proof that you do not have any thing to do with Ali(RA) and Muhammad (S.A.W.W)

while answering your post i didn't say any thing in the support of taliban.
i just wanted to repent for what you said against Sahaba e kiram rizwanullahe taala ajmaeen. becuase your comments were obnoxiously poisonous against those exalted people who were loved by ALLAH(swt) so much that they were given the glad tidings of heaven in their lives.

@wasey: you are another salafi nasibi wahabi i guess...
how many people does it take to take down a shia? here im 4 against 1 and you people cant even answer some basic questions i asked; rather you just come up with one liners when you have no answers. You are are a disgrace to the islamic ummah. There are sunnis better than you who acknowledge that they are wrong in some places. What are you doing here? you should be in swat fighting with the taliban.
@Sam:
When we have people like wasey; yousef and jawad in Pakistan; how come do you expect retaliation against the taliban? These people support them because the taliban act against the shias. These people support the killings in DG Khan where shias are killed and then plant bombs in their funerals too. Our country is full of these sadistic people.
Our country is paying a hefty price for lying in bed with the USA; americans cant do shit to stop the taliban because they are working with them; so obviously one has to talk them down; otherwise these sadistic people will take over islamabad in no time due to the inept government we have.