No Honor in Killing – Making Visible Buried Truth

hi iam asif siayl from khaippur mirs sindh
i come on this web sithe b.cause tammrow is debate at khp mirs of / i want say if any talk with a girl or meet with a girl why people think wront if they are wront they think wronk

Dear writers and readers in other countries,
I have learned a lot this evening. I have learned from some of you that YOUR country is much better than your neighboring country, YOUR political party is much better than other parties, YOUR people much cleaner, more intelligent, more moral than people in ANY other country in the world, and YOUR religion the only right one.
So that must mean that people are waiting in line to move to your beautiful country. People do vote with their feet. Pay attention to which countries people leave and to which countries people want to go. Are people trying to leave your country or trying to move into your country? Why or why not?
Think about this too. The very act of blaming someone else for something that is wrong, is your way of admitting that you see with your own eyes that something IS wrong in your own country.
If your country is good, then it would be unnecessary to look for someone to blame, as there would be nothing to blame them for.
Again, by the very fact that you are looking for someone to blame, it means that you see what needs to improve in your own country.
You can't have it both ways. Either things in your country are GOOD (and other countries are bad), or things in your country are BAD (so you need to blame someone).
So instead of looking around the world for what is wrong with EVERY other country, why not work to improve your own country?
Or is it actually your own life that makes you unhappy? Do you feel unimportant and powerless? Do you want your ideas to be appreciated by others? Then you need to delve into your own life and learn why it is so important that others agree with you. It is not political, it is personal, and almost assuredly, boils down to how much love you are receiving and how much you are giving.
If you had lots of love in your life this very moment, you (and I) would be busy having fun with them, learning with them, making plans with them, taking care of them instead of sitting in our little rooms at night using our time to write to strangers on the computer.

All the talking in the world, all the arguments and ideas, would not be necessary if people followed the one simple rule that appears in every country and every religion:

Treat others the way you want others to treat you.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

May we all be forgiven and forgive others.

Dr Jawwad@neo
colonial dual education system.

The Madir Pider azad class children,their upper chamber is empty.They only idealise and think how to throw away their parents money and factories.They are parasites they eat their own parents.The only harm is when they come to assemblies.They do not like to see other progress.They are the users.Most of them are exported abraod .

Their is another set of schools between Private schools(like Grammar ) and government schools ,they are producing children of middle class ,this is our cream.They know the poor class and rich as well.They go to take up civil service ,engineering,medicine etc.

Government schools are not producing only clerks,they are the most hard working children and are extremely inteligent.
Their life is hard but what I like about them is they do not dream about getting millionare over night.They are the ones who persistently work hard to improve their lives ,they create oppertunities for themselves ,their life forces them to do so to survive and thus they become quite successful in life.
If they are able to carry on study.I have seen excellent stories like a boy who left school and started to work as a carpenter but today he owns a furniture shop.
Another boy after Intermediate was forced to take up a job as a photocopier assistant ,today he runs his internet cafe.
Another boy just after fifth class was forced to (by circumstances )to work as a senitary fitting ,he owns his own bathroom fittings and hardware store.
I mean where there is a will there is a way.

I only feel bad that not much government initiatives or fascilities are available for these people to expand.

cerebral420!
i don,t want you to go madrisa because monkeys should be in the jungles or in the zoo.

On a serious note, Dr Jawad Ji, you want us all to go to madrassas then?

I don't know what's happening to me! I'm eating monkeys from a crate marked with the Star of David! The Zionists are doing this to me! They have injected their evil agenda in liquid form into my bananas!

SAVE ME, DR JAWAD JI O GREAT WARRIOR OF ISLAM! CRUSH THESE ZIONISTS!

*eats bananas and swings from trees*

i said no monkey business.

Yes, in fact, all this is a grand conspiracy by Dr Jawad. Because if there is true Islam, he will have nothing to complain about!! What will he do all day?!

Oh man! Think about it: could it be that the evil Zionist hand is trying to bring about true Islam in Pakistan just to make sure Dr Jawad is bored all day?

well said farrah!
don't you think that dual education system is also responsible for that.
the system for elites is entirely different from the system for general populataion.
one system produces marijuana addict, arrogant, english speaking smart pants. Who later become guardians of this neo colonial system.
and other produces flattering expert "baboos" of clerk mentality. no matter what they do in their lives they can not make any difference.
now there is additional trend of international school,where they are taught to be international citizens. these schools produce student who have no interest in pakistan its history religion, traditions. etc
for me the biggest threat for pakistan is its neo colonial dual education system.

Dr Jawaad
Barrister AKC and rest are not comming out of ideology.They are following the crowd.Like Sherry Rehman and Mr.Rehman but these people have no real roots or vision.
This wave of anti Islamism is nothing but just a reactionary wave against Islamisation fo Zia.

I do not like when people become Muslim in reaction .Because it is temporary ,this modernism is temporary as well.
Real nation or progress will appear when economy will change.

Between Dr.Jawwad and Cerebral

The misunderstanding is that actually Dr Jawwad could not believe in his luck at the honesty and truth of Asma.
This is the tragedy,there is so much lie and deception around us when someone really approaches us with truth we cannot accept that it is real.

Monkey game? I have simply called you out for your hypocrisy in calling others conspiracy theorists while claiming yourself to be the real enlightened one. Whoever Asma is, I'm sure she will agree. We Muslims get a bad name because of confused and angry people like you.

thanks farrah!@readinglord@baristerakc
but what about

and others who are not young teenagers.
i believe these elements are as hostile as any israeli sodiers could be against islam and muslims.
why there is sudden upsurge of violent anti islam with in pakistanis?
this phenomenon is quite amazing for me.

"thanks farah"
"Sorry, message got truncated"

@asma or @cerebral316 or @whatever

did you realize how moron you are?
grow up! do not play the monkey game with others>
especially when do not know with whom you are playing.

Sorry, message got truncated. Thanks Farah, for highlighting that there is no real difference in position. It is about the interpretations of doctrine, and that is what drives differences among a certain faith. That is why I find it laughable that this Dr Jawad decided to call Asma's post a conspiracy.

thanks farah

Asma
I agree with your overall message ,share and restrict your life to your husband and wife respectively.

On another issue though ,when I was in the university in Pakistan it was co-education.We never were inclind to any of the boys we studdied with.We come to know their auqaat.

In my work life as well I work with men ,I hardly care to look at their face or put any effort into me looking good.
Most of the time they try to speak ,I say yes,get to the point.

What I do appreciate as part of my upbringing is I went to girls School and college upto Graduation.Looking back I apprecaite it.There is more freedom and fun in the absence of boys.

Dr Jawwad!
On "ideological abberation of many pakistani youth"

I do not feel threatend by it.It is just a short spell of teenage phase as teenagers grow up they come out of it.
Our core values remain the same.The goal of Pakistani teenager is to fall in love,to get married and have children.

Home is a responsibility ,otherhalf ,parents ,children they keep telling us what is wrong and thus we come together collectively as a responsible society.Please exclude MADIR PIDER Azad children of politicians ,they are not in their right senses.

Haha! This is amazing! The fundos on this post have started calling each other conspirators! OMG! EVERYTHING is a conspiracy! Where are the Zionists, Jews, Hindus and other assorted infidels?!?! They're missing the party!

dr jawwad, are u questioning my faith? plz be open if u are. y else wud you call my words conspirasy?

hey @asma!
right now your post seems to be a conspiracy.
i never heard those arguments you have given.
it seems more taunt than a belief.
why is so? tell me if i am wrong.

There is only 1 factor: evil zionist and hindus. youth lisen to them when they shud only listen only to guidence of allah taala and nabyekareem hazrat mohammad sallallahoo alayhay wasallam.

stupid pakistani boyz and girlz listenig to music, wich is haram, watching movies, which is also haram, meeting na mehram, also farbidden. boyz and girlz shud be separete, and shud only meet after nikah. like maulana tariq jamil said; they r like petrol and fire.

this is why islamic marrige is best, husbadn and wife only meet aftr nikah. the west and zionist masters have done propaganda that thre shud be love and understanding. that shud only be in marriage.

as mmuslim woman, it is nt my job to have fun, but to serve my husband and care for home and children, as stated in quran paak and hadees. and my husband is my master. it is said in holy quran about women that they r created for the believing men, not tha other way round.

that is why the zionist-hindu-western conspirasy to destry islamic values is nonsense. muslim women shud respct their limts as prescribed by holy quran and sunnah and shud follow believing men.

@ farrah!
what is your analysis on the ideological abberation of many pakistani youth?

is it only because of extremism or some other factors are also involved?

@farrah k raja!
hummmmm! very clever

Dr.Jawwad
Of course not:)

It was a debate and you advocated it from religious point of view,I do not see your personal views there.

@farrah k raja!
"How do i do that ?Because I am a woman"

are you taunting over my remarks on honor killing. :)

:'(

Pakistan is achieved those who think it is going to disintegrate are dreaming .
We have political (democracy,feudalism Martial rule),social,economic and regional differences but this is the sign of healthy society.
Internet is the biggest blessing and blogging is a wonderful experience we can communicate share and move forward.
Most importantly I learn from it ,where else can I find such to the point facts apart from Asad Ali .I like posts by Yassir they provide food for thought and a lot of laughter and of course Dr Jawwad who takes arguement as seriously as I do and of course Awab who puts up with us.
Thanks Awab:)

Thank you Dr.Jawwad
How do i do that ?Because I am a woman?

On The question:
today you raised a question which made me realy sad.

To be honest I am extremely pleased ,change doesnot take place in one day.We really have broken free of many Hindu traditions.

It is only because of Pakistan that we have this oppertunity to discus and to evaluate our history our prejudice our fears .Our freedom ,our values,our religion.

No,people of Independent state of Pakistan are a mature Nation and we are a Muslim Nation and we are emerging.

@ Haripasand, is not aware of why, there are

450 millions of Dalits,killed religiously everyday.
320 millions of minorities burned alive everyday

the genoide of Kshmiris that he ignores, and he has
the balls to teach others " morality " famous Hindu
killer instinct morality ? if he is not a hindou,
so what? hindouism in coming out of him.

@ my observations,

harpasand, your education is based on Bajrangdal
and shuddhi movement, your" morals" are as white
as a grey donkey, as false as Salman Rushdi's
honouring Sir to a donkey. Please learn to have
clean thoughts and not hatemongering between the lines.
that is crook !!

today you raised a question which made me realy sad.

"I would like to think ,when rest of the people in the world are accepting Islam,what is it that is turning people away from Islam in Pakistan"

you know why???
because it is pakistan.
every one wash here.

@farrah!

not shocked but surprized.
it really need a lot of energy.
you are really a amazing woman.
how do you do that?

Dr Jawwad
Come on,it does not matter ,if one is Hindu or Muslim or Secular or liberal,look at the arguement.if someone is Muslim it does not mean we will allow them to get away by saying anything.
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Harpasand Ji
My fellow bloggers are shocked today to see my out put in words today I am taking extreme pleasure
See I am a women who want to take revenge of silence of women.You entered at wrong time:)

Harpasand
We are having dialogue ,it is not making sense to you .You are making judgements .
We make perfect sense among ourselves.
You have to be Pakistani to understand what we are talking about.
Killing does not happen in our cities neither it happen everyday,none the less it does happen and we re trying to establish ,where it is feudal based socity prejudice,where it is law ,where it is religion which interferes?
So far I am convinced it is not religion it is the GHAIRAT
which has been infused into Fuse brain of men because of living in a culture which was deeply biased against women.
The biggest gali is Ghairat orientated,WOH SIKH KAI SAATH NIKLE GAYEE.
WOH MUSLAI KAI SAITH PHIR RAHEE THEE.
Iskai totai kardo is not Islamic,it is cultural.
Islamic is Shariat and thus we have discussed that in detail.
Unwaan daikh ker muzmoun nahien bhamptai

sorry dear i took you wrong.
may be because you all look same to me.

Mr Harpasand@therefore
AOUCH!!!so quick to take offence;
you respond by insulting hindoos ?

No!!!
I am just saying my post is not aginst muslim men I am saying my protest is against all Asian men,be they Chinese,Bengalis,Indian,Iranian ,Nepalese,Sri Lankan be it my father a born muslim taking pride in Rajputism.
My protest is against all of you.
Isnt it Sita though who had to walk through fire???
At least in this opperession I do not segregate on the basis of religion becuase religion has been used by all men for the subjugation of women.
I cannot allow any man to hijack my plea just because his name is Tom,Jhon,George,Tango,Amrit,Dalip,Ajeet , Xin Yang,Tong ,Pong ,lee ,Vankataramayan,Southananan,Tipu ,Taimur or Shaikh something XYZ

This is unbelievable!!!

You guys are so clueless, insecure and lack even basic intelligence to present a credible defence of your own arguments. All you can do is insult another religion and culture to defend the barbarism and wrongs of your own?

I could care less about hindoos, they have their own problems, they are probably no better and no worst then us. Stop using them and their problems as excuse for your own crimes.

Why is it so hard to admit that honor killing is WRONG and it is the worst kind of MURDER and that it happens in our society IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. Rather then spending your efforts and energy to STOP it you want to defend it and find FALSE and dubious basis for it in Islamic history ?

ummm.....are you implying that I am hindoo, therefore you respond by insulting hindoos ? That is effing laughable and pathetic.

But for the sake of argument let me indulge you. So you are defending your brother/father's brutal murder of your daughter/sister in the name of THEIR family honor by showing us that hindoos would have done the worst to you? If that is all you have to offer in defense of your brother/father's murder of your daughter/sister then I truly truly truly feel sorry for your own daughters. Shame on you. Utter shame on you.

PS: For the sake of record, I am a practicing Muslim.

S.harpasand!

"The really ironic and telling part is that the Maulana Maududi article these “defenders of honor” are referring to again and again actually start off by talking about how the “enemies” of Islam act belligerently and disrespectfully towards Muslims in arguments by using foul and vulgar language to shut up the Muslims"

how can you understand that?
what make a muslim got so much offended by derogatory remarks against thier exalted prophet(pbuh)?
how can you undertsand that?
may be because you do not have that prophet(pbuh)

and what make you give us bhashan on any thing?
you belong to that country where people practice worst kind of abasement of humanity..... yes! cast system which is not existed any where in the world world never.
india where 2000 people messacred with out any level of sorrow,grief and slightest remorse.
and not a single person is convicted.yet the main culprit is enjoying the status of a chief minister?
have a look at these pic and ask urself, that are you really in position to give any one a bhashan?
http://www.urdunet.com/gujarat/gujaratphotos.htm
may be because no body told you people are the biggest joke on planet earth.

I am so glad ,I am a Pakistani girl and not Indian .I am a Rajput and who else can know the curse of Indian society better than me.False pride and flase ego and naam kai musalman.
I am so glad I am born in a muslim family at least half of my pain is gone .Only if my father was as understanding a Muslim as I am.
He is too proud on his Rajputism which I hate.

Harpasand
Maybe if these “honorable” Muslims will stop killing their unarmed sisters and daughters then they will be able to improve their own lot and fight the real enemy.
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Look who is talking.See your face although worshipping KAALI ,as a goddess,out of house you have made women a sex symbol,selling in the name of religion and Kama Sutra.
Satte is Indian religious ritual.
Daughters are killed with the sands ,girls terminated in the wombs.
Women cannot get married without a dowry and burnt alive even after a dowry.
Humiliated degraded like an animal ,women has to touch your feet,What are Men in your culture ,BHAGWAN.
I prefer Muslims at least they are human and not gods.

Any way
I am a happy person because I am a woman.Because we are women we can forgive you .Because we are mothers ,daughters and sisters ,we do take pride in you and because our world is so incomplete without you ,we tolerate you.
If you cannot be good companions women do not need you.
You who cannot tolerate hate in your son's eyes look into the eyes of your daughter .
What are you if as a mother,as a wife as a daughter ,as a sister I do not love you.Respect that.

If you are shocked to read the above and if you feel bad than you are the nice one.:)

This is beyond funny. Just a quick glance through above comments shows that the so called "defenders" of the Prophet's and Islam's honor are using the most foul and vulgar language and calling obscene names to those who are raising, right or wrong, questions about history of Islam or Prophet's marital practices.

The really ironic and telling part is that the Maulana Maududi article these "defenders of honor" are referring to again and again actually start off by talking about how the "enemies" of Islam act belligerently and disrespectfully towards Muslims in arguments by using foul and vulgar language to shut up the Muslims. The comments of this post show complete opposite. I do not see a single sentence in above comments where the so called "zionists", "neo-cons","anti-Muslims" etc etc called any obscene names or used vulgar language towards other commenters.

No wonder these so called Muslims are the most backward and humiliated people on the face of earth today. Pickup any newspaper anywhere and you will find how they are getting their a&& kicked in every corner of the world. I hope the dude who is shouting death to Zionists and Americans etc etc realize that while he is busy shouting death to everyone its mostly Muslims who are DYING around the world in hundreds and thousands.

Maybe if these "honorable" Muslims will stop killing their unarmed sisters and daughters then they will be able to improve their own lot and fight the real enemy.

Mr.Yassir
Where is your blog ,Do not work too hard?Just provide the link I will right for you ?
And I am Farru Appa not Farru only.

Asad
Your comment is very valid and actually thanks for writing all these ,these are my reasons that I am a Muslim women and I take pride in it.

@ doctor Jawwad
secondly read the para again it is simply a blasphemy."

I noticed that in first instance and responded to him.He did not persue it.

Out of matrimony it is upto his mind what he wants to drive.Matrimony is for sex and children.No denying the fact ,Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did married Hazarat Ayesah.
Barki thinks it is wrong,Muslims do not think so,neither do I .

@Momin DEATH TO ALL EXCEPT TRU MUSLIMS!
momin sahab aapka naam tu momin hai
Baaqi kahan jain?

Dear Pakistani men
The Rightiest and the leftiest,the moderate,the moderns,the liberals and the secularist.
Today when I stepped out of my office I was a very happy woman .Just a normal day at work.
While my journey home I started to think why no women has commented on the post.Actually why women do not post on the blog.
And I realsied if I would have been in Pakistan I would have not commented.
The fear,the darkness engulfed me,this pain is unbearable.
You do not know this pain because you are men.It is your world it is your society,it is your law,it is your Quran and woman is your property.
I could not stop but cry helplessly thinking about those women who have been murdered ,who keep saying they do not know anyone,they have no affairs and they have no boyfriends.Nobody listens to them.
You men will always be right because you are men.You have to decide if I can have medical attention or not because you are the bill payers.You men have to decide weather I should have education or not.
You men have to decide if I can have a computer or not.You have to decide if I can use a computer,can I admit,I know English,you men have to decide can I type or would it be a challenge to your pride or ego.
You men,I have to explain to what I was doing when you were away ,how much time I spent on cooking,why I am wearing this colour,why I want to speak to my friend,why I want to visit my neighbour,you men have to decide who I am going to marry?
You men have to decide how corrupt which women is?The wrong is not in me.It is in you.
I cannot ask you why?How ?Please?You have the self acclaimed right to hit women without realising how much it hurts.
You who do not allow married women to see their family.You men I try to please you since the day I am born.Please my father,please my brother,please my husband ,please my son ,always scared...........yuo sit in the court rooms and your judge and I cannot say a word,it is insult to your pride to consult a woman you have to speak to my father,my brother.
Do you know this is your real face.This face is not only Pakistani men,this face is face of Muslim men,this face is face of Asian men and this face is face of Some European as well.
You take pride that God has made you superb and strong than you must know He has made you so to defend the weak ,not to become the opperessor.Do not use the women as a punch bag she is a human and it hurts.
Women do not say anything,because what ever they say is a crime,an evidence recorded in your memory.
Think sympathetically I am a woman ,I am a human,I can tell th etruth,respect me I can guard myself and help me I need your help and advocate for me because even when I shout ,your voice is louder than me.
When would I be forgiven the crime of being born as a women.
You remember all the qoutes and Shariat on killing you forget very conveniently how Prophet Muhammad loved Fatimah.
You forget it was Hazrat Khadejah who proposed Prophet Muhammad.
I was born free as a Muslim woman it is you the men who has interprestted Islam as per your convenience.
Why women are so quite at least they could murder you on the blog but I do not know they let you go and I am one of them.

Thank u 4 ur commentz, brother jawwad. also, u hve really taught this infidel pig a leson! i luv how u called him shit of pigz! lol

thanks also 4 da link, i hv read many books like this. islam is truly a wise religin that teaches respct, mercy and peace.

DEATH TO ZIONIST PIGS!
DEATH TO GR8 SATAN AMERCA!
DEATH TO ALL EXCEPT TRU MUSLIMS!

@ Danial Burki,

Prophet Muhammed (SAW) marriages with various ages
of women was a procedural devine orders and
intructions, (Jesus born without Father) Quran !
that is why
- Prophet Muhammed reformed the entire status for women,
- removed polygamy and limit down to tetragamy,
- Established legal Statut of a wife, without age
distinction.
- Established women's right to heritage ( first time in
human history)
- Established marriage contract
- Her obligatory consent for a marriage !
- Possession of her wealth and belongings to herself.
- Onwnership, partnerhsip and proprietorship rights,

and many others,
would I be an idiot to refuse a young wife 20 years
younger than me,

you sound like a fake secular hidden behind Qadianism,
as a mubaligh ! I might be wrong, but Dr JawwadKhan
would certainly fall alerted !

9 or 11 years old girl is aware of everything,
particularly an 11 years old girl from Islamabad
interviewed by CNN reciting amazing poetry against
Talibans and honored by winning a title of
"Taliban Slayer" check website "changinguppakistan "
Mr.Burki
World Biggest Industry is Weapon's Industry, you know
which is the second one ? Child pornography,
and the third one is Religious sects, all non-islamic.
300.000 only in Christianity, 30.000 only in USA.

you better relax.