Baluchi women in military torture cells, sexual slavery, Musharraf accused
Asian Human Rights Commission has in early January published a report which reveals a shocking trend in Baluchistan, women who have been struggling for the greater autonomy of Baluchistan have been arrested by state agencies and have been forced into sex slavery under the custody of the Pakistan Army.
AHRC had earlier also published another report accusing General Pervaiz Musharraf of running these military torture cells during his tenure. The report initially originates from a Baluchistan Liberation Front activist Munir Mengal who in 2006 was trying to launch a Baluchi TV channel but as coincidence would have it, the Pakistan Army was dead-set in uprooting the Baluchi uprising which resulted in the assassination of Nawab Akbar Bugti.
The report can be read in its entirety on the AHRC’s website but a few shocking sections are reproduced here. A close look at the incidents that have been quoted range from 2005 to 2007, the Musharraf era. Though we cant be sure that if these cells still do exists or have been dismantled at the fall of military dictatorship in February 2008, and sincerely hope that such heinous crimes are not still being orchestrated by our democratic government. But it seems that Ms. Zarina Marri is still missing and suspected to be held hostage against her free will.
AHRC - Ms. Zarina Marri, a 23-year-old schoolteacher from Balochistan province, was arrested in late 2005, and has been held incommunicado in an army torture cell at Karachi, the capital of Sindh province. She has been repeatedly raped by the military officers and is being used as a sex slave, to induce arrested nationalist activists to sign state-concocted confessions.
Mr. Munir Mengal, the managing director of a Balochi-language television channel, was arrested on April 4, 2006 from Karachi International airport by the state intelligence agencies and transferred to a military torture cell in Karachi for nine months. He narrated the story of the forced sex slavery of the young teacher Zarina Marri whom he encountered in a military cell. Mengal says that, “a young Balochi woman, Ms. Zarina Marri, was used as a sexual slave by the officers. They even once threw her naked into my cell. I did not know what had happened to this mother of a family who was arrested by the army in our province.”
Another Balochi nationalist (name omitted by request), who was arrested by the military intelligence agency twice and kept in military cells in different cities, has confirmed to the AHRC that there were young Balochi females seen at those two torture cells, naked and in distress. The prominent Balochi nationalist leaders say that they know fact that young Balochi women are being arrested, either during or after protest demonstrations on the disappearances and are missing. They also know about the women are sexually abused in the military custody but they cannot say so publically because of their sanctity and harassment of their families.
Mr. Munir Mengal was also tortured and his penis was severely injured when he refused to have sex with Zarina Marri. He told RSF, “on 27th January, 2007 at 6 pm Major Iqrar Gul Niazi (Military Intelligence) called me in his office and showed me some nude pictures, and laughingly told me that you have been a director of a TV channel so certainly you have good relations with actresses.”
When he returned to his cell he found porn pictures strewn all over it. Around 12 pm a low-ranking military officer called Subedar brought a female there. She was trembling and weeping. “He threw her on my body and told me, ‘You know what to do with her. You are not a child we have to tell what to do with her.’” Mr. Mengal says after half an hour the officer returned, and seeing them sitting apart, abused them and forcibly took off their clothes. Mengal said he was stunned when the woman began praying in the Balochi language. She told Mengal her name was Zarina Marri and that she belongs to the Kohlu area, headquarters of the rebel Marri tribe, a scene of a bloody insurgency that begun in 2005. She said she was a schoolteacher and that the army personnel had abducted her along with her one-year-old.
“They accuse us for spying for the Baluchistan Liberation Army,” Zarina Marri said. She begged Mengal to kill her. “I have been undressed several times for them.”
Mengal said on the refusal to have sex, the intelligence officials inflicted cuts on his private parts. “I thought I would lose my manhood,” he said. Ms. Zarina told to Mengal that she has seen some females in the torture cell but was not allowed to talk with them.
The Asian Human Rights Commission has already reported that 52 torture cells are run by the Pakistan army, Karachi was stated to have three military torture cells.
Pakistan is the signatory to Convention on the Elimination of All Forms Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) but women are being used as sex slaves in a gross violation of the Convention by army officers.
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ohhhh,
It is so shamefull that the military personnel done with zarina mari it is really highly condemnable thing,
If she was spy of BLO it never means that u behave like this and u make her sexual slave........
These officer are not above the law and constitution,these military officers should be accountabe and answerable before the law and before the nation of pakistan.
we love pakistan but same time we love to baluchi people because they are being vitimized since 11971.
The time has come that we will have to listen baluchi people and their demands, If their demands are within the constitution and law we will have to give them incentives
because we dont forget that baluchi are also pakistani...
............... be muslims.. if one say i am baloch , i am punjabi, i am pathan or sindi etc... its means u are fighting with your loard... ALLAH ALMIGHTY..
bec the land is only of ALLAH.. not of baloch nor of punjabi, pathan or sindi....
u d'nt have the authority to stop any one..............
...... Pakistan zindabad... balochistan Paendabad......
One thing is obvious. There are some psychological ways to discourage insurgency. Being in Baluchistan I know MS MARRI IS NOT ONLY women that has been picked by ISI , there are few others too. But interesting observation that I came about is all most all of them are either from marri tribe or from bughti tribe. This is simply way to discourage revolting tribes. Therefore this story seems crediable. The raping that took place in east Pakistan(Bangladesh) further lend credence to credibility to this.Simply this story is true.
is this site a podium for greater balochistan or a raw sponsored baloch seperatist advertisement? i dont think tht this blog aims an honest discussion.the only aim seems to be magligning and bringing the army to distribute...shame on u teeth
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"the innocence of those 700 people and your claim that woman was handed over for gang rape has to be verified and proven..."
yes......it should be according to the law,through the courts,the justice should be dispensed.in guantanamo bay even you can confess the assacination of IBRAHAM LINKON.
regarding that "woman" i am laughing at you arguments.
just open the google search engine,type dr afia siddiqi and...... enjoy
this govt is nothing but the continuation of pervezi govt this is the obvious fact....no i don't say that these bipeds are american stooges but i must say that these are the pawns in the great game plan.actually they are the profligates,like street criminals.unfortunately came in pak politics and used by mushaffaf first and then by americans.
we were not talking about politicians,media or taliban/alquaida we were talking about ordinary pakistani citizens and the obnoxious role played by some of us.
i believe we need a genuine REVOLUTION.
this whole god damn system is gaurded by many many defence lines.
sometimes perceptions are greater than reality...the innocence of those 700 people and your claim that woman was handed over for gang rape has to be verified and proven...the acts of the past govt cannot be associated only with the army,despite musharraf being the head of state.today we have a political setup still drone attacks continue.would u term all politicians/civillians as unpatriotic or american stooges? all politicians regardless of the political divide have american connections.this includes many taaliban leaders including osama bin laden.so the definition of innocence , faith and reality need to be crystilized.even the so called free media , local or international follows an agenda of discrimination and highlights issues for its own agenda.
i don't know the credibility of this story but i do know that pakistan army is capable of any thing.
if this army can sell their 700 citizens.
if this army can handover an innocent woman for gang rape,then why this army can't rape the pakistani women by itself?
Dear teeth,,,,
I cannot understand ur blatant disregard to moral or ethical norms on fairness and reason .u state that these so called women,should b tried b4 being called anti state ,but u have convicted the army on the basis of an ahrc report.the army has representation from all four provinces , it had a baloch chief i.e kakar.their have been othe baloch gens too,so ur malicious suggestion does not hold.ironicaly even the nationalists have representation in the army sen sanaullah baloch frm bnp a known nationalist has his real brother in the army.the accusations against the army come from only one quarter i.e raw and all those who want to destabilize Pakistan.but you have displayed your bias against the army in the manner you have framed this discussion and your various posts.
Now coming over to the hrc report…the accusation of rape is based on the narration of one individual that too a known anti state or anti army guy.you don’t want to discuss the merits of these baloch nationals i.e marris and bugtis. Bugti sahib is a self confessed killer of 52 people.the same form of human rights abuse is associated with all feudal s . I wonder why you do not dedicate blogs highlighting these abuses.almost all your blogs are anti army in nature. I will not call u names but your bias is clouding honest opinions.having said that all is not fine with armed forces of Pakistan. The budget and other financial subjects should be more open and under the public eye, your accusation against land grabbing and plots also needs parliamentary investigation.any wrong doing should be punished.army should not be allowed to take over or rule Pakistan every 4 or 5 yrs. But tyranny is wrong in any form. Be it in uniform or out of it. You accuse the army of being pen pushers and of working frm 8-2. Another wrong concept..this maybe true in places like rwp or some major cities which are peace locations.what about troops manning the 1800 kms border with Afghanistan.those guarding us in siachen or along the borders with india. You are also forgfetting troops fighting Indian sponsored insurgency in swat and those involved in freeing the fata areas from foreign militants. But you would call those people “apnay hi log”.wow…journalistic largesse….
Many generals including those for and against musharraf may have been involved in corruption or other illegal activities.some lower ranks also maybe involved in illegalities but this does not give you or anybody the right to call the entire army as a rapist mob….shame on you..
Its similar on believing india that because ajmal qisab was a Pakistani therefore all Pakistanis are terrorist.mengal sahib was afraid of being deprived of his manhood .he has missed out on mentioning why he was spared this indignity…if the army is so bad that it maintains brothels why did it not kill mengal sahib and finish off the witness to such indignity.atleast maintain some common sense….
Your posts are full of allegations and propagandist monologue ….please be reasonable and do put up an objective response this time
I simply can't believe some people who think this is an issue planted by India and oh Army is so great. Think about this:
Even if Baloch leaders are tyrants and 'planted' by indians, still for a moment doesn't anyone think that this could be true?
We love to make it convenient for us and blame everything on india or whatever. This is the exact reason why we haven't progressed. Learn to admit the wrong doings --
This is same army that raped and butchered Bengalis. Just becuase this hasn't happened to your family or someone you know doesn't mean that its not happening.
Thanks Awab for your article and highlighting this.
@ Asian Human Rights Commission is nothing but
an Indian run NGO to hide
- Indian crimes against humanity,
- Gonocide of Kashmiris by Indian Regular Army
of 700.000 only in and around the valley.
- To hide and cover the disaster of:-
450 millions of Dalits butchered by Indu extremists
380 millions of minorities vulnerable to extermination.
Ethnic cleansing of Islands of Indian ocean.
Invading Sri-Lanka with tamil tigers terrorsits,
annexing Sikkim, Bhutan.
Sending Raw Terrorist agents in Nepal.
The Indian human rights violation DOSSIER be
OPENED now !!!
@ Indian Hinduist anti-Pakistan and anti-muslim
blogs are growing up like mushrooms.
They have even hired the services of a French
correspondent of La Figaro, worked in Dehli,
rebuttaled by even 4 historians on French TV2
in 2002, his speciality, rumours and stories
of so called " massacres committed by muslim
rulers since Temur " he was expelled from a
conference due to those lies. He is currently
on an Indian anti-Pak blog called
India underattack.com and
Bengalunderattack.com, see 5th comment on
Geert the Dutch harlot.
@ Abdul,
great job, mate !! our Human rights champions
and their performances are to be judged severly.
SIMPLY RUBBBISH.......WHAT AN EXAMPLE OF IRRESPONSIBLE MEDIA .............TEETH PLEASE WAKE UP
Well !Seeing how Musharraf is recieved in International world and how much say his words have on International level and not a single question about the above story or that people back home think he is dictator?
People of Pakistan must rest their propoganda to peace as well.
Abdul
Thanks for providing research material.
AHRC which has taken up the issue has dubious credentials (leaning) and same has been alleged by HRCP’s Asma Jehangir.
The similarity of views of Munir Mengal and Indian Propaganda Campaign.
The activities of Mr. Andrew Bartles-Smith the much mentioned ICRC representative who allegedly visited Munir Mengal several times have neither been confirmed/ refuted by ICRC. Also, ICRC news and reports on the web do not have any mention of the said visits or disclosures.
The credentials of RSF are also questionable as the site has never raised allegations against Indians in such a blunt manner in case of mishandling/ detention/ missing journalists e.g. Rehmat Ullah Indian Occupied Kashmir (published Daily Rehmat) and Maqbool Sahil are such cases in pt.
The credibility of AHRC reports on Pakistan is also doubtful as three out of its ten members of advisory board are Indians, while one of the directors is also Indian with few others having Indian origin/ Hindus. Amongst the Indians Mr. B. R. P. Bhasker: Reputed Journalist and a Trustee of Vigil India Movement, India is of dubious credentials and suspected to have initiated/ sponsored said story on AHRC forum.
The picture of Zarina Marri, uploaded on www.Gwank.orgis also fake. The picture very clearly bears the name “Arash Khan” which is duly marked on the picture. It is suspected that the picture has been retrieved from some other site and subsequently uploaded as Zarina Marri.
Why the initial Missing list of Marri ladies at “Baloch Voice” website never bore Zarina Marri’s name. However, in the recently updated list of 872 missing Balochis, three ladies ref at serial 74, 75 and 76 bear Shah Gul as father whereas their family names are different i.e Alia Khan, Maria Shah, and Zarina Marri. Surprisingly other two sisters of Zarina Marri are missing since 10 Oct 2006, whereas Zarina Marri is missing since 10 Oct 2005 i.e a yr prior, exactly on the same date, which clearly speaks of fabrications and falsehood of the concocted tale.
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DICHOTOMIES / QUESTIONS ARISING FROM THE STORY
The sole source of information is Munir Mengal. No correspondent/ agency have bothered to counter check the details from other sources. The name of RSF’s reporter who claimed to have conducted an interview has not been revealed.
The record of visitors of Khuzdar Jail does not have any entry to the effect that any ICRC representative met Mr Munir Mengal. Though a team of ICRC was granted permission to visit Khuzdar/ Mach and Loralai Jails from 30 Jul to 11 Aug 07, no record exist about the said visit to Khuzdar Jail. However, the record of Mach Jail contains entry of Mr Andrew’s visit which is irrelevant.
According to the RSF report she is referred as a 23 years old school teacher from Kohlu, arrested by Law Enforcement Agencies in late 2005 and shifted to Karachi for use as sex slave by some Military Intelligence setup. Whereas as employees record of EDO Education Kohlu, no woman namely Zarina Marri ever existed in the area as school teacher.
According to local Marri tribesmen in Kohlu, using name of a Marri woman is part of propaganda to humiliate Marri Clan. Some Marris’ are of the opinion the issue has been raised as a conspiracy to create unrest and insurgency in relatively calm and peaceful Marri areas and derail reconciliation process with Khair Buksh Marri.
If at all she was arrested by FC or some intelligence agency, why she was shifted to Karachi for alleged use as sex slave? It is not only illogical but absurd as well.
Mr. Munir Mengal has also made contradictory statements regarding his encounter with Zarina Marri:-
He initially claims that the girl was thrown naked in the cell.
Later (after few sentences) he states that when the Subedar returned and found them sitting apart, he torn their clothes.
Marri Itehad has not conceded to Zarina Marri’s conspiracy and has announced that it is trying to find out the credentials of the said woman and her parents.
On 4th Aug 07, he was handed over to Khuzdar Police. Very next day, representatives of ICRC visited Khuzdar Jail and investigated the torture inflicted on Munir Mengal which is a surprising coincidence. ICRC representative Andrew Bartles-Smith’s credentials are also doubtful. He is a UK national settled in Nepal.
He was detained in Khuzdar Jail for just eleven days. During this short time, he claims to have been visited several times by human rights activists while nobody met him in Quetta jail for almost six months.
The initial news regarding detention and ill treatment of Mr. Munir Mengal was broken by RSF on 11 Dec 2008. The Daily Times broke the news in Pakistan with its edition edited on 11 Dec and published on 12 Dec i.e. with in few hours.
The exaggerated version of said report was re-published by AHRC with a gap of 32 days on the AHRC website on 12 Jan 2009 without indicating any source for additional details. This dichotomy was also pointed out by Asma Jehangir ‘Chair Person HRCP’.
Mr. Munir Mengal never had any article to his credit till 3 Jan 2009; to accredit him as a journalists’ status. However; since that date he has written 4 articles within two weeks, which may not be easy to digest and points to sponsorship. More so the spectrum and range of issues discussed in the articles is also pro Indian.
The inclusion of following subsidiary themes in four articles attributed to Munir Mengal on the website “nowpublic.com” appearing after 3 Jan have strange similarity with Indian propaganda campaign against Pakistan. These propaganda themes are, ‘Islamic fundamentalism/ extremism’, Pak support for Taliban/ Al-Qaida, ‘Pak nuclear bomb threat to Christian and Jewish world’ and Anti Hindu sentiment.
These coincidences suggest possible Indian involvement in propagating this issue ----
The emergence of this scandal with in two weeks of Mumbai blast amidst threats from Indian leaders.
Daily times which broke the news simultaneously along with RSF is well known for Indian sponsorship.
Saturday, January 31, 2009
Zarina Marri Case A Foreign Sponsored Conspiracy
Against The Innocent People Of Balochistan
Recently a lot has been written on an innocent woman being tortured and kept as a sex slave in the torture cells of Pakistan Army. A fairy tale legend “Zarina Marri” emerging out of the propaganda campaign being sponsored by RAW and few Pakistani brethren who are mistaken that they are somehow serving the cause of Balochi people.
The tale of Mr Munir Mengal’s arrest and torture by Military Intelligence/ Army had been reported by media during his detention in 2006/07/08. However, re-emergence of said issue after a lapse of 10 months of his release from prison, at the time when Pakistan is already a target of Indian propaganda campaign (on acct of 26/11), is astonishing/ intriguing. Mr Munir Mengal has added spice to his tale alleging that a Baloch woman was offered as sex slave for reasons best known to him. The concocted story has attracted the attention of international media and human rights activists as expected. The whole affair appears to be a malicious campaign to malign the image of Pakistan and its Army/ intelligence agencies in particular.
Allegation of using Zarina Marri as sex slave was first published by RSF web site on 11 Dec 2008. Same news was published on AHRC website on 12 Jan 2009. Subsequently various newspapers published the news each time with additional allegations without mentioning any source or credible evidence.
Mr. Munir Mengal at present is apparently in France from where he is uploading articles on a free Web News Portal “NowPublic.com”. According to the website details, he is member of the said portal since Dec 2008 and has posted 4 venomous articles only after 3 Jan 2009 on various issues aimed at maligning Pakistan and Pakistan Army.
Dr Shazia’s case which sparked the insurgency and counter military operation, occurred on 5/6 Jan 2006. Arrest of a school teacher by Law Enforcement Agencies prior to militancy and Operations by Law Enforcement Agencies is least likely.
Rubbish! Teeth at least behave sensibly. What is this rubbish that you are floating in lieu of so called propaganda based kitchen story of Indian RAW. [Captain Haider]
======================================================
Dear Captain Sahab,
I wonder how would define this? Is this all RAW/CIA/MOSSAD/MI5/MI6....
Baluchistan, Baluch and Myth of Martial Race.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/baluchis...
Ethnic Nationalism, Islam and Fall of Dhaka.
No worries.Misunderstaning do happen someyime:)
i am interested in oiher peoples veiws and opinions, due to some ignorance. it is important to stand for what you may,maile if theres a wil theres always a way. ynot believe,but at what cost?i am interested in why people do say think what they do to try and understand who has the right to say what is true,untrue?nobody knows the answer to that. a figure of speech. a blind man can probably see more than a man with sight, coz then you have to feel & learn? not just be ignorant like most of us. keep safe & happy always smile. if theres a strong will, theres always a way to a solution .people think their free? that to myself is the most terrifying aspect of life and pure blind ignorance,unknowingly too themselves.too be given not only the gift of life, but the most powerful tool of all? that again due too lack of knowledge and understanding is whats so frightening peoples minds.this i feel is possibley the most dangerous deadly weapon of all people take it for granted and dont learn how to use it? eva x
Pakistani neocons and UN sanctions by Khalid Hasan is Daily Times’ US-based correspondent
http://www.khalidhasan.net/2008/12/28/pakistani-ne...
At a meeting with a group of journalists among whom I was present, my dear and much lamented friend Tahir Mirza, then the Dawn correspondent, asked Musharraf why he was not acting against Lashkar-e Tayba and Jaish-e Muhammad. Musharraf went red in the face and shot back, “They are not doing anything in Pakistan. They are doing jihad outside.”
Like bullfrogs out after heavy summer rains, Pakistani cyberspace and the realm of the printed word are full of the croaking of neocons who have convinced the already ignorant that the Security Council sanctions against Jama’at-ud Dawa and certain individuals only came because Pakistani officials were either sleeping at the post or had conspired with the 15-member Security Council to let the axe fall.
These people are not interested in facts. They only have opinions.
One cybercon who answers to the name Ahmed Quraishi writes on December 24, “We have a government with shady characters in key places, strongly backed by the Bush administration, acting and behaving as if they were representing a US occupation government in Pakistan.” Under “recommendation”, he proposes, “We need to start a witch-hunt in Pakistan to cleanse our academia and public life of such self-haters and defeatists who poison the minds of young Pakistanis about their homeland. Such academics and human rights activists should not be allowed to hide behind the freedom of expression.”
The two “traitors” he refers to are Pervaiz Hoodbhoy and Asma Jehangir.
Then there is the Ann Coulter of Pakistan, Shireen Mazari, who writes, “Thanks to the pusillanimity shown by our leaders ever since the Mumbai acts of terrorism, Pakistan is being squeezed by so-called friends and foe alike.” She goes on to predict, “However, let there be no doubt that India is going to carry out surgical strikes, probably beginning with AJK. After all, the extraordinary and unscheduled Envoys Conference can only have been called to contain the diplomatic fallout of such strikes.”
It is pointless to inform her that the envoys’ conference had been scheduled for some time and was not summoned because of Mumbai. Mazari also wrote that “in the Mumbai aftermath, we chose to prevent our allies from rallying around us in the UN Security Council.”
Ann Coulter, I should explain, is a neocon American figure who urged the bombing of Mecca and who wrote, “Liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America’s self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.”
She is also an ardent admirer of the late Senator Joseph McCarthy and his witch hunts.
But to return to the Security Council sanctions, a statement issued by the Foreign Office in Islamabad laying out facts was lost in the din created by our croaking neocons. So let me quote that for the record:
“Action against the JuD and certain individuals was initiated following their designation by the UN Sanctions Committee established pursuant to the UN Security Council Resolution 1267, on the Consolidated List of individuals and entities associated with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The request for enlisting the JuD had been under consideration of the UN Sanctions Committee since 2006… Since this resolution was adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, it is obligatory on Pakistan to fully implement its provisions. Pakistan, as a responsible member of the United Nations, has fulfilled its international obligations.”
On December 9, a day before the resolution, Pakistan’s UN ambassador Abdullah Hussain Haroon said in a statement, “After the designation of Jama’at-ud Dawa (JuD) under (Security Council resolution) 1267, the Government, on receiving communication from the Security Council, shall proscribe the JuD and take other consequential actions, as required, including the freezing of assets.”
This shows that the sanctions were more than expected as was their imminence and the UN mission was not asleep as is being charged by the Ann Coulters and other neocons of Pakistan.
Those who are rising in defence of Lashkar-e Tayba and its mutation, the Jama’at-ud Dawa, perhaps neither know nor do they care to know what the Security Council’s terrorism sanctions committee is. And although these cybercons and super-patriots are beyond redemption and repair, let me nevertheless explain what this committee is and in the face of which Pakistan is accused of having acted pusillanimously.
The Security Council Committee established pursuant to Resolution 1267 (1999) on October 15, 1999, is also known as “the Al Qaeda and Taliban Sanctions Committee”. The sanctions regime has been modified and strengthened by subsequent resolutions, including Resolutions 1333 (2000), 1390 (2002), 1455 (2003), 1526 (2004), 1617 (2005), 1735 (2006) and 1822 (2008) so that the sanctions measures now apply to designated individuals and entities associated with Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and/or the Taliban wherever located.
The names of the targeted individuals and entities are placed on the Consolidated List. The resolutions listed above have all been adopted under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter and require all states to take a number of specified measures in connection with any individual or entity associated with Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and/or the Taliban as designated by the Committee.
And what are those measures? Freeze without delay the funds and other financial assets or economic resources of designated individuals and entities; prevent the entry into or transit through their territories by designated individuals; and prevent the direct or indirect supply, sale and transfer from their territories or by their nationals outside their territories, or using their flag vessels or aircraft, of arms and related materiel of all types, spare parts, and technical advice, assistance, or training related to military activities, to designated individuals and entities.
The Committee is one of three subsidiary bodies established by the Security Council that deal with terrorism-related issues. The other two committees are the Counter-Terrorism Committee and the 1540 Committee. The three Committees and their expert groups coordinate their work and cooperate closely and the Committees’ chairmen also brief the Security Council on the activities of the Committees in joint meetings, when possible.
No one can prevent the action of the committee; nor is anyone invited or told about its proceedings. Normally the first signal is a note circulated to all UN member states.
And now the unvarnished truth.
Since 2006, Pakistan, against better advice and reasons that have been blown sky-high by Mumbai, had kept the sanctions from being clamped with the help of China. However, after the Mumbai attacks, China informed Pakistan that it could no longer block the terrorist group and individuals from being sanctioned. The question the neocons and the super-patriots should ask, but don’t, is: Why was Pakistan blocking sanctions against a terrorist group?
excellent post in terms of information why JUD is sanctioned.although I am quite skeptical if they have links with Alqaeda or Talibaan.
It is a shame that US has passed these resolutions against Muslims.If it was to clamp down al qeeda that was OK.But one by one if they intend to clamp down on all Islamic funds that is something else.
Farrah K. I believe in your words and take my words back. Apologies from my side too.
I am sure BLF / BLA etc. have a very strong presence inside Baluchistan and among Baluch men and women living elsewhere. And they surely are receiving payments and support from various fronts including India, Iran, maybe USA and even Emirates, for various reasons. Everyone seems to have a stake inside Baluchistan. Therefore, killing BLA activists seems a good job, one which all Pakistanis should adhere to.
But raping, if that is happening, women - instead of killing them if they are found guilty - is something different and needs to be condemned at all levels.
Adnan
You have misunderstood my comment.It is sinnister and nerveousness .All my loved ones are in Pakistan and Pakistan itself is my beloved homeland.
What I meant by those verse was ,this was the last thing expected .
I am sorry if you felt otherwise,I can never mean otherwise,please have no doubts that I will be taking any pleasure out of it.
Farrah, I will see how shairs will come out from your side when some drone attack will kill your loved ones.
Rather unfortunate. Very graphic. If one objectively dissects this post, one will conclude that this torture stuff is really not getting the military anywhere. It also gives an impression that the army intelligence guys are very stupid. Some of the details are simply beyond reality.
At the base is the unanswered question why this insurgency and who is supporting it? Why nawabs have resisted development and instead pocketed money. Frankly, I find it to be sensational tautological hubris.
@Capt - I too must agree there should be no grievance. We both are debating our own point of view, but I am sure we both mean well for Pakistan.
My finger pointing to Musharraf was not a creation of my own imagination but AHRC published a report in Jan PAKISTAN: Former President Musharraf and his associates should be held responsible and brought to book for disappearances and the operation of military torture cells
I even hyperlinked the same report in my blog post above.
Though as a frequent reader of my blog you must know my position on Musharraf, sadly I consider him to have deliberately destroyed our judiciary, for his own advantage, and in all this fiasco led us to 'this' democratic government - almost like a ridducling snub on our faces, to leave us in the hands of Zardari as a lesson.
All said - debates and arguments are welcome, and no hard feelings likewise. We all believe in Pakistan, maybe a slightly different point of view, but Pakistan alone is our homeland and we will die for it.... if we have to
BTW, did somebody read that Osama endorses Drone Attacks?
Now I can laugh :):)
Mushkilain itnee parein kai asaan hou gayeen!!!
or
Hamain kiya bura tha murna gar aik baar houta??
Jawwad: Barriester AK47 loves Guns. He was going to fight with Pathans at Sohrab goth with his China Wali T.T :-)
BTW, did somebody read that Osama endorses Drone Attacks?
Captain
You are not out of discussion.Your point is right.We have to be skeptical and we have to stand for our army as well.
The whole point of blogs is not be isolated in the thought sbut to have dialogues and it is a healthy debate.You definitly lifted my spirit .Nothing is black and nothing is white.
We should not disregard Balouchistan,Swat,or Muredke,these are Pakistan issues by putting them under the carpet we will not get anywhere.Pakistan army,civil government and we the people are all not Farishtay ,we are human and we make mistakes,as long as we learn and do not repeat thses mistakes that is the answer.
You do not need to appologise.You are equally hurt and disturbed as rest of the people are.
Keep posting ,I am reading.
Dear teeth no grievances I am out of discussion ,my point was to aware and hinder the topic with reference to current anarchical situation in balochistan and as such ,issues as under discussion, would add to the turmoil and another upcoming heave.
Please omit displeasure between and forgive. Regards
JuD’s Markaz-e-Taiba headquarters at Muridke:
Well people of Pakistan have their own views and reports and government and India and West.
And I am so fed up of all this.Many people will be thinking good extremism taken out.But I am sad.What is Muridke Head quarters?
It seems like bloody KGB headquarters. These are places where orphanage and poor children were taken into care and were provided education of Course Islamic and some technical.
How many of them are Terrorist? How many of them have killed others?
How many of them have got the arms?
Ah! sometimes I feel the most dangerous thing now a days is not atomic bomb it is media.It is the educated people who are sane enough to declare others insane and sent into asylum.
This is systematic abuse of the world and media going on against Pakistanis.
More hatred amongst people, more crimes against humanity ,just after six months see how HRCP will be filled with crimes against these people ,how many of them were innocent.
At that time whom should we accuse.
There is no Terrorism in the world, it is all **** UP .
We have a problem with extremism, how true is it? Immunity for all is the answer. Giving up of arms on voluntary basis is the response. Students or orphans who will be left homeless as a result who is responsible for them?
People who will end up in jail without committing any crime, who is responsible for their life, for their families, if they become extremist tomorrow, I would not blame them.We are told these people are threat to us but have we told them you are Pakistani ,you are part of us,we stand with you.This is your country and we have to stand together for each other. It is people like me who are to be blamed, who saw this happening and thought, what the hell as long as it is not me.
@Teeth
Teeth ,though your remarks were too smart as far as your patriotism is concerned but please do you mind explaining your thinking mechanics while you were selecting the head of this article .
Please check out
Baluchi women in military torture cells, sexual slavery, Musharraf accused
Dear it looks so good when you highlight matters as per your instinct and methodology of thought but the way and pattern of your floating ideas express the point of your focus.
Don’t you think such usage of vocabulary as Sindhi, balochi, Pathan itself explains ethnic flaring so to aware populace that some untoward theme has been or is in conductivity against one single community as above?
Please see same irrational terminology have not been used by AHRC
PAKISTAN: Young women held in military torture cells and forced into sexual slavery
Teeth do not play the game of deceive and dodge.
Intentions comes, a head of action and your action does not needs further definition .regards
We had a protest against BBC yesterday in London outside their London office.They refused to run the appeal for aid for Palestine victims when rest of the channels are doing so.
Injustice small or big do happen around the world.I want to see a day in Pakistan where people will protest against the injustice when it is happening.
This whole post is a healthy picture.If we read all the comments it shows a very healthy society people are aware of their rights and injustices.as long as we raise these voices as long as there are checks against authority,we are a healthy society.
AWAB I am inspired by your courage ,report is right or wrong is one thing ,but you have raised your voice about a concern ,this is what is so important.Not to be afraid.
Pakistan is no more a place where governemnet ,military or civil can keep its people silent.
I think it is a historic acheivement in itself.
@ Farrah dear,
don't you think you have added a O by mistake
to Benazir ?
@ AKC is MQM's undoubtfull Gumashtah. you stink
90 azizabad's gutter !!
@ Captain, please turn your akk towards London based
RAW/MQM brothel.
One sentence which I hate is Punjab army.the second is very calculated budget of the army.
Today operation in muredke people would be happy maybe we are taking terrorists in tomorrow in Human rights reports these people will be shown innocent and victims of state crimes.
The thing is now if journalists want to take action they should now.These are orphange homes ,how many of these people have murdered someone.how many of them have got the weapons.If Lal masjid were victims these are victims too.
Pakistan is a hostage to one word Terrorism,people who want to extend friendship to AHRC and India ,are they able to do anything today.It is media which has said Muredkai is headquarters of LET.Few years back it was just a Madrissah and little by little today it is Terrorist head quarter planning bombs at India.BULLSHIT.
Todays Terrorist are tomorrows victims and ARCP will report the state abuse against innocent.
Jain to Jain Kahan???
Dear Teeth Maestro
I’m appalled at your audacity and liberty taken to besmirch the ‘fair’ image of the Pakistani army. You, Sir, are treading dangerous grounds and if left unchecked could mobilize public opinion which would be detrimental to the probable future of Pakistan as is generally seen now - that of a ‘FAILED STATE’, most likely to self destruct and implode from within, unable to bear the pressures of contradictory policies.
Your highlighting such cases, may just make the people introspect and should they decide to do something about it to right the wrongs, it may very well halt Pakistan’s march to the precipice. However, by perusing most of the comments posted in here, I’m heartened by the fact that you will not succeed as most seem bent on committing hara-kiri. Nevertheless, this isn’t the time to be complacent, hence I still ask you to stop publishing these posts.
For the benefit of the patriotic brigade, please follow the link below. If you need ‘cheering up’ in these times of gloom, this is it.
http://www.balochvoice.com/Army_Operation/Children...
P.S: For those not able to follow the drift, a simple message “Wake Up!”
Asad Ali
Sherry Rehman and Asma Jehangir are the worst enemies
of womanhood.
So true!
Sherry I do not know what she stands for and where she came from?
Asma Jahangir is a bit different.Her struggle is true although she fails at many levels and I do not blame her she represents HRCP so yes her take on the issues change .
I cherished Benazir until she died.After her death I analysied what she gave me as woman.You would be surprised I did not get a single reconciliation from the fact that a woman has been a prime minister of Pakistan twice.The most appauling fact was our Prime Minister and Sherry Rehman episode caught on camera during march.if Benazir could not teach her colleagues how to respect woman what did she do for woman?
Equally appauling is when rape victims are offered money as a compensation infront of press media and this is done most often by Shrief Brathran.
What Awab is reporting is still going on,if it is I am further shocked.Zardari if has anything to have any legitimacy to being President of Pakistan is that he served donkey years in Jail.
How come he is so insensitive to this issue?Benazir herself served detention.She tried to introduce woman police .Good .The thing is in future we can see more woman Prime Ministers Fatima Bhutto or Bakhtawar but will this change anything?How much do they know about common person.As soon as Benazir was put under house arrest media all over the world was alerted.
But did Benazir really thought about a woman who if taken into custody has no one to follow the case for her.Clearly not.
It seems we the people have to stand on our own and Pakistani woman is different and actually excellent they are not greedy in the sense they do not want to work hard and kill themselves for a new brand of car.they like to kill their husbands by TAANAI instead .
It is far easier and better:)
Sherry Rehman Types are 2% in Pakistan .Asma Jahangir Types 5%.Benazir types 100%,yes husband,yes father ,yes brother and yes to whoever.
Capt Raza
I understand your point but I understand Alvi as well.We all are citizens of Pakistan.I do take pride in Pakistan army and do understand the political scenarios in which army had to step in throughout history of Pakistan.
The thing is I am never sure about the victims anywhere in the world unless a trial with evidence is provided.
It is so easy tomorrow I visit Pakistan and taken in or anyone can be picked up for being anti state.Our army has to be extremely careful.
Yes we are dealing with India,Raw and International propoganda against Pakistan but at the same time we cannot allow our own government,millitary ,police to harrass its own people .By the way worst ones are the politicians.
Trial and evidence is so good ,why people have to protest ?Why this has to be a part of AHRC ?Why so much delay?
@Unaiza
for Kashmir attrocities check under India.You will find HRCP reports there.
"So unless they are tried and proven to be Anti-State I beleive they are innocent, and should be released, if the Pak Army cannot prove them to be guilty in three years then I suspect they have no case against them."
Three years is so long.My God it is a life of someone.How many years would it take for these people to healing and take things as normal.Maybe never.These people are not in foreign country.
Three years waiting for a trial is unacceptable.Pakistan police and army the minute they take up a person into the custody they know if they are innocent or true culprits.a speedy trial and human conditions for the punishment.Is it so hard.I do not think so.
If they are not involved into murder I think these people have already served the sentence.
Dear if, you had litigated the issue with reference to musharraf or similar sibling I would have never indicted the subject but here the theme has define manure to be garnished as being floated and intended.
My dear you should and shall responsibly share the truth with essence of credibility and interpreted facts and figure, if at all such facts clarify as qualified to be presented in a platform, where presentation might create havoc.
This is not at all an act of single person as reservation and charge but unintentionally, you are dragging a whole institution of a country that is already under the theme of such irrational propaganda’s and anti state activities by the enemies.
“an abducted women or women’s in the custody of agency being presented to an individual or individuals who were recently or whatsoever released from the detention, vindicate their confiscation by expressing that during unlawful confiscation they were presented with a women name (ABC) to have sex and later for not obeying the unlawful command we and the women were charged and mishandled.
However later these or they were released to ensure and float ideas that may malign, malice, defame and recite events and their memoir to AHRC in the contest of human rights thereby to take the institution and its officers for their act”
What Rubbish! Notion
You must understand you don’t need to ignite this bigotry and present escalated turmoil of balochistan with furnace and fire.
RAW and similar forces are actively participating to marshal the cause of separatist.
With your insane acts of such masala (Recipe) you would simply provide a play field to ensure and boost further reservations among.
My dear support of the enemy to achieve the goal of desire has too many portfolios as rule of engagement and execution.
Negative propaganda through journalism is one. Regards
Dr.Awab @3.30
Fantastic ,keep up your voice these are the checks and balances .Agree that this torture ,voilence and brutality must end here .
@Capt - I fully take your point - and would at times agree to uphold the integrity of our nation. But at the same time I simply cannot bring myself to maintain a stunned silence when inhumanity happens within our own borders.
Call it propaganda, call it Anti-state or anything - but these women and many others who stood up for Baluchistan in 2006 [sponsored/fund or what not] they remain Pakistanis. So unless they are tried and proven to be Anti-State I beleive they are innocent, and should be released, if the Pak Army cannot prove them to be guilty in three years then I suspect they have no case against them.
As far as the credibility of AHRC goes - it can naturally be questioned, they might also be tainted by political motivations - but for now I see them reporting a human rights issue that needs investigation. If the Army is all that innocent then I am ready to put pressure on the Pak Army to cough up Zarina Marri and other women unharmed and untouched - that itself will put AHRC to shame, and easily silence all critics, But until then I choose to worry about these innocent women who are being held in custody.
Capt at the same time I too believe in a trying to uphold the integrity of our nation but I differ with your position ever so slightly as I feel it should never be at the expense of suppressing a lie. Sadly that the lie that keep the goons above us, as we dont have the courage to stand up against them.
@CAPTIN sahib!
this is our problem in spite of correcting our weaknesses we blame each other.
may i ask you a simple question "can our soldire say no to any order given by higher army officers that violate the pakistani constitution ? can he???
if not then why there is bhashans to the civil society?
why not army top brass sit and decide since now on they will not allow any of us to violate the law.
My dear no body is scarring you neither labeling you with representation.
Sketches explain and figure out image itself.
Iatrogenic inflictions are self induced.
What more do you require to induct yourself, as candidate, in the contest of said reservation, when you have already prepared the ground for cultivation of crop, as may be desired by the enemy of Pakistan.
What more other than what you have presented on the platform, can be put in the dictionary of credibility, so to become and declared as a preferred candidate, which may represent them here in Pakistan, hence to achieve the motive of maligning and subverting the state, with the hand of their own.
Do one thing, take a knife and give few cuts so that you may have pain and bleed.
You won’t do it, for sure.
Because! You know it, by interpretation and observation that it pains and bleeds.
My point was simple.
Issues with no known credibility and even though with credible source, are always interpreted and weight against the after effects and in terms of presentation.
This is an anti state activity on this platform.
And I suppose, you have gone beyond limits of understanding and perceive, in the name of journalism and so called human rights activity.
My dear behave maturely.
Do not offer a place to enemy where they can plan, stay and execute their desire of subversion.
My advise to you sir, check out detail of human right report again and again, to see its credibility and source and your immaturity to second such ideas. Regards
and your ak47 idea made me a laugh.that was a brilliant
hahahahhahahahhaha
It is baseless to abuse a woman for being the agent of RAW. To be frank and neutral, the baloch people have been arrested and kept without any reason. everyone knows about the status of the pakistan and many more agencies, and what they did with the Bengali masses.
illegal and ilicit actions of any agency should not be protected. we must stand with truth and face the reality. the balochs are fighting for an independent land because they have tolerated the 62 years tortures by the pakistan govt and agencies, now they can not be kept stave because they have got awareness and status of alive nation. The pakistani must remember that they did not bear the 21/2 years atrocities of Indian Congress so why should the Baloch should tolerate their illicit violence any more?
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