Aalim Online - Inciting murder against Ahmedi’s
Dr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain a famous religious host of a show called Aalim Online which airs frequently on Geo TV has entered some hot waters in the past few days. It is believed that his comments on the show may have incited Muslims to target and kill followers of the Ahmedi sect. Dr. Aamir has been running this show for the past many years and has developed a strong following catapulting him to fame to the extent that many Pakistanis swear by his religious commentary on TV, and remains a highly sought after show specially during the month of Ramadan.
Historically Dr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain has had his taste of controversy which started of from his fake degrees where this blogger had labeled him as Jahil Online back in 2005, he was then associated with MQM for a few years and ultimately had a falling out with the party over a controversial comment he made on TV condemning the British author Salman Rushdie, saying that Salman Rushdie should be killed for blaspheming the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in his book, Satanic Verses, after making this comment Mr. Online refused to retract his statement despite immense pressure from the top London based MQM leadership which ultimately lead to his dismissal and soon he also resigned from his Ministry
Asian Human Rights Watch reports that on 7th September in his program ‘Aalim Online’ the anchor declared the murder of Ahmadi sect members to be necessary (Wajib ul Qatal) according to Islamic teachings, because its followers don’t believe in the last prophet, Mohammad, peace be upon him.
Dr. Amir repeated his instruction several times, urging fundamentalists Muslims to kill without fear. While on air the anchor person also pressured the other two Islamic scholars (from two different sects) on the program to support the statement. This resulted in a unanimous decision among the scholars, on air during a popular television show, to urge lynching with the intent to kill.
This was not a one-off. On September 9, Mr. Hussain answered a query with the comment that blasphemers are liable to be put to death.
According to the information received, at 1:15pm on September 8, 18 hours after the broadcast, six persons entered the Fazle Umer Clinic, a two-story hospital at Mirpurkhas city and two of them went to the second floor and started pressuring 45 year-old Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui to come downstairs to attend to a patient in crisis. Dr. Manan left his office and descended into an ambush. He was shot 11 times and died on the spot. His private guard was also shot and is in a serious condition. A woman was also injured by firing. The killers remained at the hospital until the doctor was declared dead, then they walked out of the building’s front entrance. Police registered the killers as unknown.
On September 9, 48 hours after the broadcast, Mr. Yousaf, a 75 year-old rice trader and district chief of the Ahmadi sect was killed on his way to prayer in Nawab Shah, Sindh province. Yousaf was fired on from people on motor bikes, and sustained three bullet wounds. He died on the way to the hospital. The assailants had taken a route past a police station. No one was arrested.
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js hassan: you want to blame this on the americans too? geo is funding the americans, and now we’re absolved of all the guilt and responsibility of fixing this? wow talk about not jhank-ing in your own giraybaan dude. this is a purely pakistani problem that has been brewing for decades. wake up and smell the miswaak — fundamentalism is everywhere. we don’t need to thank the americans for this, we need to take positive steps to fix it.
Baloch Guys,
I am not a Aamir Liaqat fan. But, did you see the show? Aamir never said you should kill every Ahmedi rather he was just repeating what the punishment is for those who claim to be prophets of Islam after Huzoor (SAWW). He was repeating the what was according to Sharia as well as what Khulfa Rashdeen have done to those who claimed to be prophets. I guess Hazrat Abu Bakr was also wrong in fighting fake prophet of his time. Why we Muslims become so guttless and apologetic that we cannot even defend our faith? We have hide behind all these excuses? What I got from the show was to kill anyone who claims to be a Muslim prophet not everyone who follows them. They actually said that these people were mostly uneducated who followed Ghulam Mohammed during the British time.
As for Asian HR commission they couldn’t even spell Aalim Online let alone have any moral standing to single out this show. They should go after Dutch government who attached 1.2 billion Muslims with those cartoons.
My two cents..
Raheel Astaghfir Allah.Astaghfir Allah.Astaghfir Allah.
jhote par ALLAH tala ki lanat.(AMEEN SUMA AMEEN)
Karachi-Wala hassan Abbas,
Secterian thing is one thing and Muslim and Non-Muslim thing is different. Muslims have always respected non-muslims like Ahmedis and thats why they have places of worship and they live freely and practice their religion.
But whats surprising in this case is there was always a fight between Shia and Sunnis (Sectarian) but there was never a fight between Muslims and Non-Muslims (Like Ahmedis) in Pakistan. Something is suscpicious here….
Bhutto’s govt was the first one to declare them KAFIR.
But the problem is these guys (Ahmedis) they have a problem bug too. From time to time they would raise these kinds of incidents to attract sympathy from their Masters.
hassan Abbas karachi Wala,
The Ahmedis have never been comfortable in Pakistan,the first anti-Ahmedi roits occuring in 1951 at lahore;when the city was placed under martial law!Bhutto’s government was also forced to declare them kafir because it was an awami party and had to respect the voice of the majority!
I personally feel that after officially declaring them Kafir or even non-muslim -no one has a right to kill them-or issues fatwas to kill them just because they don’t believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the last prophet.
After all no non-Muslim believes in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)as the lost prophet -and that includes the majority of the world.So are we justified in killing the rest of the world.No Islam allows that.
Lol!Would you like to get your-self killed just to get some sympathy from some one!Your laugh point shows an alarming mind set!
hassan Abbas js,
Guess how many millions GEO is being paid to show VOA Urdu service Video regularly -and do the other pro-US propoganda and subtle brain washing of Pakistanis.
It is the only Pakistani channel doing this so obviously;not even PTV has stooped that low.
Arsalan Qayyum SHAME ON YOU AMIR…. you were working good for GEO but what you have done here is just shamefull.
no one can punnish you but I belive that Allah will not forgive you now. You will die as horrible death and after death… May Allah Bless you “MR” (i cant use brother for you more) as you have done what, you dont know.
Take Care All
Allah Hafiz
KarimG Free and independent media in a third world country that is a US client…impossible. You can have independent journalists and reporters who will just do enough to keep legitimacy and an appearance of free press but a well financed news group like GEO to be free of influence! I don’t buy that.
You know there is a lot of talk in US about extremism in countries like Pakistan, there needs to be rhetoric from here to feed the rhetoric from there.
And trust me, MUSH who fed real living breathing people to US for their need to keep terrorism in the forefront, would have shut down GEO or any other news organization in 2 minutes if they were not playing their designated roles. When I say shut down basically the news organization changes hands for a very healthy profit, case and point CNN from Ted Turner (a relatively reasonable news organization) to Time Warner where it turned into PRAVDA of US.
I will go out on a limb and speculate that very likely Aljazeera also fits in that profile even if it appears that it is ‘balanced’ and pro-Islamic. So this jerk on TV whether knowingly or unknowingly does serve a purpose, he is there for a reason and it’s not necessarily the ratings!
ahsan My Dear Friends
Dr.Amir Liaqat Ali is wajib ul qatal .. why just tell me if as per every muslim alim and quran and prophets mehdi must come will come before qiymat . is it??? if mehdi come and say to come to me and follow me and do as what i do. because your islam is not real islam its jahil mula and alim`s islam then . an normal muslim what try to do even he is doing as alim teach him grab in his mind to kill that person . if God kill chirstians hindus jewsh and shia they are all living take food everyday God say ist you call them for truth … so the dr jahil mean dr liaqat what should u say now if some body rush to kill the mehdi or mehdi follower is it muslim act??? never say to kill anybody without hatitate if you are in his heart>?? you always kicked shamefully from your party your minstri even your education certificate are not real you are working like a us agent to brain wash the muslims teach terror so us come to pakistan and attack like our south and afghan border
Humzie Syed Dear All,
Specially Baloch Sahib, I respect your point of view, but by giving such comments Mr. Amir has given right to a nation which cannot decide between right and wrong to an act which is highly debatable, For example Mr. XYZ would not be able to defend himself if Mr. ABC out enimity claim Mr. XYZ to be a wajib qatl for committing any such false blaspemous act, Mr. XYZ wont have second to justify himself… got my point. We are not good enough muslims to have such rights… I might be wrong… and please avoid comparing/commenting religous Caliphs and their ability to judge with that of yours.
Regards,
khan There is no excuse for what Liaquat Hussain and his guests did they have blood on their hands.
Please do not fall into the trap that these Jahil Online twist and distort our true faith. The Caliph fought and put to death these false prophets NOT because of their beliefs but because they instigated rebellion and fought the muslims. “There is no compulsion in Religion”. We are own worst enemies when we allow these fake Aalims to lie and distort the truth. If they lie and continue to lie about their fake degrees why give them any credibility. But this timed they went too far and and should be punished and sanctioned by the regulatory authority or GEO.
FizDosani Dear Awab,
if you please clear your intention in above post.either you are protecting Rushdie & Ahmedis.
i am not fan of Geo neither i prefer to watch Amir programme but its a fact that a person who claim himself to be prophet should dead.
Even every Masalak have clear view for Rushdie no matter if you believe in barelvi, Deo Bandi, Ahl-e-Hadees or Shia.They all believe to kill such people.
Please justify your self where you stand yourself???
Aamir This is a fact. When you talk like this on international media the response of that will be like that. This is not Islamic Teaching at all. Islam does not allow to kill people like that.
Shadab Dear All,
Why we always blame americans for every single thing happens around us? because most of us dont THINK and as Allah says that guidance is for those who THINKS. Allah and his prophets has given us the complete guidance for life but we sought our guidance from west. First we dont know whther these killings are directly linked with AOL episode? secondly for those who love their Allah and the prophet would never let anyone to claim false things. What if some one in public abuse our blood relative(father or mother etc), we obviously get furious and tries to take revenge, likewise If we love Allah and his prophet, we can never accept such claims. Dividing muslims in to different sects is a strategy by JEWS as they have done it with christians. So please all Muslims please open your eyes and think ahead of this. We have always been involved in operational matters rather than on strategic. I have seen the episode and in my opinion Dr. Amir has said whatever he should along with the Alims and they agreed on this and who are we to protect all those who are the followers of culprits of Allah.
May Allah help us to think (Ameen)
Teeth Maestro @FizDosani - im neither protecting Salman Rushdie neither am I an Ahmedi - but I believe the act of killing does not and should not fall in the realm of the ISLAMIC religion. I believe in the fact that we are a peaceful religion, and much can be handled with mutual dialog and understanding. If for the sake of religion you choose to annihilate the other humans being believing in other gods than you are probably touting the wrong beliefs. But mind you these are just my own opinions and no scholarly fatwa’s as probably shared by Jahil Online
As far as Ahmedi’s go, it is sad that they were condemned, Pakistan was based on the fundamental belief that all religions can be practiced in this free state, yes the Quran and Sunnah comes first so I am no scholar to denounce the age old decision or open a long drawn controversy.
But I believe in humanity, maybe one day our tolerance and understanding can guide them to our path, but by the use of force / killing / suppression you cannot and will not win the battle.
It is the same stupid analogy with which the Israeli’s attacked Palestine, USA attacked Iraq, Afghanistan and the Talibans in Pakistan - they assume that if you hit and hit hard they will run and disappear, but in reality it reinforces their resolve to fight back.
Hence I believe it is wrong to beat and bash - but instead we should guide them to the right way, some may listen some wont, but that itself signifies light at the end of the tunnel
karachikhatmal as i read the comments, i notice how geo is constantly labelled as an american tool. i am also watching the television where geo is running a cutesy animation of the twin towers collapsing. it has people in my office aghast at its insensitivity. so if i follow the conventional logic here, it seems that someone in the US right now is really pissed about how their money is being wasted.
also, i enjoy how pakistanis seem to believe that the sole purpose for the existence of the US is to meddle in our affairs. its like four score and twenty years ago our forefathers decided to create a country and wait for 150 years for another one to emerge so we could mess with it.
hahaha
once we are done killing rushdie, maybe we should read his book ’shame’. but its incumbent upon us to burn it - and kill all the infidels!!!!
kill kill kill!
Shadab Well my point was we cannot directly link AOL episode to this killing because if u remember 4 or 5 days back all newspapers have full page columns and stories to condemned false prophethood. I dont know the exact date but it was the marking of the day when National Assembly has passed the resolution to call them non-Muslims and almost every author has shared their opinions in Newspapers. Though im not a fan of AOL
Zaman In a program aired on 7 September 2008 the anchor of the religious program ‘Alam Online’, Dr. Amir Liaquat Hussain–also former federal minister for religious affairs–declared the murder of Ahmadi sect members to be necessary (Wajib ul Qatal) according to Islamic teachings, because its followers don’t believe in the last prophet, Mohammad, peace be upon him. Dr. Amir repeated his instruction several times, urging fundamentalists Muslims to kill without fear.
While on air the anchor person also pressured the other two Islamic scholars (from two different sects) on the program to support the statement. This resulted in a unanimous decision among the scholars, on air during a popular television show, to urge lynching with the intent to kill. This was not a one-off. On September 9, Mr. Hussain answered a query with the comment that blasphemers are liable to be put to death.
According to the information received, at 1:15pm on September 8, 18 hours after the broadcast, six persons entered the Fazle Umer Clinic, a two-story hospital at Mirpur Khas city and two of them went to the second floor and started pressuring 45 year-old Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui to come downstairs to attend to a patient in crisis. Dr. Manan left his office and descended into an ambush. He was shot 11 times and died on the spot. His private guard was also shot and is in a serious condition. A woman was also injured by firing. The killers remained at the hospital until the doctor was declared dead, then they walked out of the building’s front entrance. Police registered the killers as unknown.
On September 9, 48 hours after the broadcast, Mr. Yousaf, a 75 year-old rice trader and district chief of the Ahmadi sect was killed on his way to prayer in Nawab Shah, Sindh province. Yousaf was fired on from people on motor bikes, and sustained three bullet wounds. He died on the way to the hospital. The assailants had taken a route past a police station. No one was arrested.
I am writing you to draw your attention to and request prompt action regarding the latest incident of Ahmadi lynchings, as urged on a popular and seemingly unregulated Pakistani television program. The Anchor person, also former federal minister for religious affairs suggested that the followers be killed as punishment for their religious views.
According to the information that I have received, Dr. Amir Liaquat Hussain declared the murder of Ahmadi sect members to be necessary (Wajib ul Qatal) according to Islamic teachings, in ‘Alam Online’, aired on September 7, 2008. Dr. Amir repeated his instruction several times, urging fundamentalists Muslims to kill without fear.
While on air the anchor person also pressured the other two Islamic scholars (from two different sects) on the program to support the statement. This resulted in a unanimous decision among the scholars, on air during a popular television show, to urge lynching with the intent to kill. This was not a one-off. On September 9 Mr Hussain answered a query with the comment that blasphemers are liable to be put to death.
The killings On September 8 at 1:15 pm, 18 hours after the broadcast, six persons entered the Fazle Umer Clinic, a two-storey hospital at Mirpur Khas city. Two of them went to the second floor and started pressuring 45 year-old Dr. Abdul Manan Siddiqui to come downstairs to attend to a patient in crisis. Dr. Manan left his office and descended into an ambush. He was shot 11 times and died on the spot. His private guard was also shot and is in a serious condition. A woman was also injured by firing. The killers remained at the hospital until the doctor was declared dead, then they walked out of the building’s front entrance. Police registered the killers as unknown.
On September 9, 48 hours after the broadcast, Mr. Yousaf, a 75 years old rice trader and district chief of the Ahmadi sect was killed on his way to prayers in Nawab Shah, Sindh province. Yousaf was fired on from people on motor bikes, and sustained three bullet wounds. He died on the way to the hospital. The assailants had taken a route past a police station. No one has been arrested.
It is the responsibility of a government to tackle religious hatred, yet in Pakistan it flourishes. That it can bloom so publicly and has results both bloody and unpunished, is an embarrassment to a country that hopes to be taken seriously outside of its borders. While religious persons can incite murder on mainstream television shows without restraint or legal consequence, a country cannot hope to be considered mature. Neither can its leaders.
In this context I demand that the government of Pakistan take immediate steps to stop further killings by other religious communities and to investigate the two cases reported above. Those responsible for the killings must be prosecuted and punished according to the law. Immediate measures to prohibit broadcasting and spreading religious hatred through the media.
I further urge you to investigate those responsible for instigating murders through media broadcast. I also demand for a genuine and humane effort to be made to reintegrate the Ahmadi community into the social fabric of Pakistan. Their civil, human and religious rights must be protected. The government must take the lead to create a space for dialogue between opposing religious communities in Pakistan there by bringing an end to religious and communal violence in the country.
Faisal.K Aamer should be tried and punished for this reprehensible act, our media in question should be muzzled they have lost it totally in the dream of making news instead of reporting it.
Silence Every citizen of Pakistan……Shia, Suni, Hindu, Ahmadi or kafir/mushrik,,,,,,,what ever enjoys same protection of law and freedom of faith.
If some one dont want to believe our prophet, we can not force him to do so on gun pint…..there is no force in religion (HQ).
Anyone who spreads hatred and issues decree’s of killing is a criminal under the law, constitution and Holy Quran itself.
If Aamir realy did this, then its crime, noting less.
Zeeshan Qayyum Salam, I just want to say that Aamir Liaqat has committed suicide. Yes, the results of his beleives will be destructive for him. In the past, whoever has tried to harm or destroy Ahmadis has come to an end. Examples are Zia-ul-Haq who forced Ahmadis to stop preaching but failed. He tried to throw Ahmadis out of Pakistan but Ahmadis spread in the whole world including about 50 lack Ahmadis in Pakistan. Zia-ul-Haq died in a horrible accident and ever his dead body was not found. Similar is the case with Bhutto who was not solely responsible for passing the bill from National Assembly but came under the pressure of Jahil Moulvis. He was hanged by his own beloved Army Cheif. Similar will be the end of Aamir Liaqat Hussain.
And soon people will realize that whatever people say about Ahmadi Muslims is totally wrong. We are being hated and disliked just as Muslims were disliked by Kufar-e-Makkah and Non-Ahmadi Moulvis are playing the role of Kufar-e-Makkah. Soon truth will be visible to everyone as today the truth of Islam is visible.
S H The problems is this, the Ahmedis claim themselves to be Muslims. They continue to agitate issues with other Muslims and that brings about more problems. Soon as they stop calling themselves Muslims, the Muslims not only in Pakistan but around the world will stop making such statements against them.
All citizens of Pakistan should be given protection for their choice of belief. There is no compulsion in Islam and that is very clearly stated in the Quran.
S H I will add that the Ahmedis are not a sect of Islam, as some are led to believe.
What I would really like to know is this, why is this issue coming up now? Do we not has Pakistanis have enough issues on the table?
Zeeshan Qayyum S H I respect your comments. I’m an Ahmadi Muslim. I’ve a question. When we’ve tried to agitate issues with other Muslims??? Can you please indicate any event??? And secondly you wrote “Problem is this that Ahmadis claim themselves Muslims”. Please tell me that if a person Muslim, isn’t it his right to call himself Muslim??? Just becaue other people will not like it??? How can we get back if we’re from Allah and if we’re the biggest lover of Hazrat Muhmmad (PBUH)??? How can we??? We’re not human made Jamaat or a party. We’re the Jamaat of promissed Messeih of Allah. That Messeih and prophet about whom Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) predicted. And you’re saying that we should stop calling ourselves Muslims??? Just because of the fear that we’ll be killed. How can we fear if we’re true??? Are you serious???
Silence According to Article 20 of Constitution of Pakistan 1973:
Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions;
Subject to law, public order and morality:-
(a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion; and
(b) Every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.
Article: 9
No person shall be deprived of life or liberty, save in accordance with law.
mohsin i want to told all commentator that who give rights to mullah’s to declare who is muslim and who is not. infact these mullahs are the most bad creature in the universe now accoerding to surrah allah almighty says that in last time near by qayamat the baddest creature on the earth will be muslims scholars and mullahs
by the way how these people declare that ahmedi are non muslim when they always says that they are muslim,so why these mullah are trying to declare them non muslim, what type of muslim mullahs are did they not see the hadith of hazrat muhammad (PBUH) THAT ONCE A SAHABA IKRAM WAS NEARLY TO KILL A NON MUSLIM IN BATTLE AND THE PERSON SUDDENLY PRAY KALIMA AND BUT THAT SAHABA KILLED HIM WHEN THIS NEWS REACH HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (PBUH) HE SAID TO THAT SAHABA THAT WHY WOULD U KILL HIM, HE SAYS HAZOOR HE BECAME MUSLIM BY THE FEAR OF DEATH NOT BY HEART HAZOOR SAYS HOW COULD U KNOW RATHER HE IS MUSLIM OR NOT DID U TEAR INSIDE HIS HEART.
NOW ACCORDING TO THAT HADITH HOW COULD THESE MULLAH DECLARE ANY ONE A NON MUSLIM
Silence @SH
Suppose I do not believe in Allah, or I do not believe in Prophet or any part or practice of Islam (Nauz Billah), still call my self a Muslim, still I enjoy the same rights under constitution and it is only Allah who has authority to judge me and my faith.
No person has a right to decide weather I am a less Muslim or more.
The law declaring Ahamid’s is discriminatory and politically motivated, it have nothing to do with religion and constitution.
This is 21 century and as you said we have already enough problems, we need to move ahead of this non sense deciding about others beliefs.
The document which binds us as a nation is our constitution, religion have no place in the agreement to live to gather in a state governed by constitution.
Schayb In retrospect,
I dont find any analogy between the 2 acts..AOL Show and Dr.Amir’s comments and the murder.
Do we have any evidence of these 2 acts being linked in any way?
S H @ zeeshan, if you really wish to know, I can share my views on this subject. I did not say remarks about the founder of your faith and can bring texts from your own books and you can see the deviancy from Islam, of how they are different. It is not a sect issue.
@ silence, you have a right to call yourself as you like. You are confusing the culture with the faith. Only God can judge if anyone of us is a true believer. We can certainly try to be Muslims. Defining what is a Muslim is not set by me. Go pick up the Quran and study the sunnah of the life of Prophet Muhammad (saw) and you can see what a Muslim is and should be.
You are further confusing yourself of what the founder of the Ahmedis thought his people. Go educate yourself a little more. The problem is and will remain that they and other lunatics agitate these issues.
What I find really pathetic and sad here is why are we even debating this issue? Do we not have enough issues as Pakistanis to be concerned over? If it is not this Ahmedis issue, tomorrow it is something else. Why are we always confused?
Musawir Dear Brother in Islam
Asalam-O-Alaikum
It is shame that we are killing innocent people in the name of most beautiful and peaceful religion. So called Aalim who have no knowledge of religion use Islam to promote their evil idiology. This same Mr. Liaqqyat was asking US goverment to release Dr. Affia on the humanity basis and very soon after this humble request he shows his own ungly face. No where in Quran Allah permits you to kill any innocent person and no one can show a single example of this babaric act from the Sunnah of Mohammad PBUH.
May allah guide us to the right path and forgive our sinns. Amen
S H I would encourage those wanting to understand the Ahmediis faith and their beliefs, look a this site:
http://www.themodernreligion.com/index2.html
This is a gentle view on this subject and one learn of other movements as well, that have deviated from the teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). Do some study and come to your own conclusions.
And God knows best.
Farhan it’s just unbelivebale. In an world-wide-aired program, a mullah is calling to kill ahamdis and nothing happens.
has anytime any ahmadi try to kill someone?
the ahamdis are doing more tabligh for the islam then the self called mullahs. ahmadis are building hospitals and schools in africa. translated the quran in more that 60 languages etc.
the mullah are fund-raising money for jihad. look at waziristan, look at swat and peshawar, look at the red mosque…. and that u call islam… but people, who are living peacefully and didnt not harm anyone, the mullah wants the to get killed…
it no wonder, that so many “azab” has come to pakistan, the earthquakes and all the instability… just take care that not allah will punish the whole country becoz of the misleading muallahs
Imran Ali SH - Your comments are laughable. Pakistan is the laughing stock of the world. You say that Pakistan has enough to worry about without Ahmadi issues. I would say the 2 are related. Islamic Extremism. The daft uneducated mullahs who today infact are effectively running Pakistan. They spew their hatred and people like you turn a blind eye because ‘Pakistan has enough problems’. As someone who was born in Britain I say this. This country has has given me far more (allows muslims to practice their faith openly, education, jobs) then Pakistan ever could. If you want Pakistan to progress, I suggest all the uneducated hate inciting mullahs are given a one way ticket to a country of their choice.
Umair Ahmad SH I’ve done all the research on Ahmadiyyat thank you very much which is why I’m an Ahmadi. You don’t need to visit the website to get an idea of Ahmadiyyat. Just watch our 24 hour channel MTA. You might get an idea of what real Islam is and educate yourself. As for deviating from Islam, how often do you visit a pir baba? Also, how will you recognise thr messiah when he comes?
S H @ Imran Ali & Umair Ahmad,
Great! I wish you well, and enjoy your life of ignorance!
In regards to your comment of going to a pir baba, that tells a lot of what I know and understand.
As to the rest of your mumbo mumbo, please try that on an uneducated person.
S H @ Imran Ali & Umair Ahmad,
Great! I wish you well, and enjoy your life of ignorance!
In regards to your comment of going to a pir baba, that tells a lot of what I know and understand.
As to the rest of your mumbo jumbo, please try that on an uneducated person.
Asim Beware of Qadyanis,
They are Meethee Churree, they seem harmless people and mean no ‘physical harm’ to any Muslim yet they corrupt the religion of Islam.
They are the ones spreading ‘Fasaad’ on earth under the disguise of peace-loving mission. Their mission is synonym to operation Freedom-Iraq.
May Allah curse the false prophet Kafir Mirza. His followers are on this forum too, diguising as Muslim and Pakistan lovers.
Asim Farhan,
Ahmedis are not doing tableegh of Islam, rather they are distracting Muslims away from Islam.
There is no Prophet after Muhammad (S.A.W.W) and Kafir Mirza couldn’t even make up his mind if he was Imam Mahdi or Jesus or just a new prophet altogether.
S H Asim,
God alone gives hidaya. Be kind to them for one never knows if they do end up on the right path.
You are absolutely right, there is no prophet after Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Our task is nothing more than to convey the truth, hidayah is in the hands of Allah alone.
They are very good in distorting the facts, Quran and Hadith, and even the writings of their founder to suit their purpose. And finally when you think that you have cornered them in a very logical manner, they simply change the topic.
That is why Allah has said that He has sealed their hearts and ears. One can only pray for them, that they do see the truth.
Verily in the Remembrance of Allah do hearts find peace.
Momen What a shame for all muslims especially the pakistani muslims (so called) how can they claim that killing any human being can take them straught to heaven?????its a clear denial of what GOD and the prophet(PBUH)’God has said in his book Quran. Is this the great religious aalim these stupid people are following???? what a shame
Asim I have never watched Amir Liaqat’s show as I was never a fan of him, but looks like Ahmedis and other naive Muslims want to replace him with Pamela Anderson so that Islam will look cool…
FastingMuslim @Baloch. “They actually said that these people were mostly uneducated who followed Ghulam Mohammed during the British time” Perhaps a flaw in your “highly educated” credentials, but I think you’ll find it’s “Ghulam Ahmad (as)”. In addition, all knowledge comes from the All Knowing, not through self-study. Our Master and Khataman-Nabiyeen Hadhrat Muhammad Rasoolullah (saw) did not know how to read and write. His followers were not the academic elite. Allah (swt) gave them monumental supremacy against all opposition. The Sun of Muhammad (saw) is reflected in the Moon of Ghulam Ahmad (as). He is the perfect follower of The Holy Prophet (saw). But of course, your highly educated. I’ll leave you to make up a more informed decision: http://www.alislam.org
Asim Look what Ahemdis think about regular Muslims.
According to Ghulam Kafir Kadiani:
“God has revealed to me that anyone to whom my message has reached and he has not accepted me , he is not a muslim.” (Letter of Mirza to Dr. Abdul Hakeem Khan Patialvi)
aOne Can anyone post links to that episode of Alim Online?
Geo has taken these videos off the youtube? Any one…
MUNIR AHMAD ASALM U ALAIKUM
my dear islamic brother iwould like to mention that AMIR LIAKAT is a big liar GOD will not forgive him.his not a muslim and even he doesnt know the bit of islamic teachings the only word islam means salamti PEACE and is he spreading peace in the country by his remarks he doesnt know a bit of quran i think the quranic verse that is SUMUN BUKMUN UMYUN that they are deaf dumb and blind it clearly aplies on him .
ALLAHwil not let him go free i dont know what kind of muslim scholar is he he is the CURSED ONE LANTI
the holy quran clearly says that a propht can com but not with new shariat but under the shariat of THE HOLY PROPHET. there is no doubt that islam is last religion and perfect religion .i can show u from the HOLY QURAN THAT A PROPHET CAN COME so plz AMIR LIAKAT fear god he is on u U SEE EARTH QUAKES ARE BEING COME .
tsrana you can still watch these videos on the following link
http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=16208
Bilal This program was a part of a big conspiracy against the Ahmadi Muslims. All the things which were associated in the program with the beliefs of Ahmadi Muslims and their founder were based on lies and deception. I will try to briefly touch a few points which were associated as the beliefs of Ahmadi Muslims for the benefit of those who are not prejudiced:
1. In the program it was said that Ahamdis don’t believe Hadhrat Muhammad Mustafa (SAW) as the last prophet. It is a wrong and out of context statement against Ahmadis. Ahmadi Muslims believe Holy Prophet (PBUH) to be the last law bearing prophet and Holy Quran to be the last Book of Guidence. Ahmadi Muslims believe that to say that even a prophet of Allah from the ummah of Holy Prophet can’t come is against the teachings of Holy Quran. Ahmadis believe that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian has come to revive the true spirit of Islam in the same way as Jesus (AS) came to revive the true spirit of Judaism.
2. In the program it was said that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian said that there are three cities mentioned in Holy Quran ie. Makkah, Medina and Qadian. This is also a big lie which was said only to decieve the public. I have read the excerpt that Mullah was referring to myself. If that Mullah in the program had even a small amount of decency left in him he would have told the public that he was deceiving others. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said that he had seen a DREAM in which he saw the mention of three cities in the Holy Quran. If the Mullah had made it clear in that program there would have been no problem there at all. Why would a person (so called scholar) tell a lie to establish his truth? Think about it friends.
3. It was said in the program that Ahmadis believe in the reincarnation like the hindus. Another big fat lie. Ahmadis believe in one life and the hereafter and nothing even close to reincarnation or anything like that. Ahmadis only believe that the coming of Imam Mahdi is LIKE the second coming of Holy Prophet. The reason is that the purpose of the coming of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah in Islam is to bring back the true Islam Holy Prophet brought more than 1500 yrs ago. This concept is very easy to understand for anyone who does research with honesty and an unbiased attitude.
4. On the concept of Finality of Prophethood the Mullahs said that Ahmadis are non-Muslims because they “deny” this concept. I can prove that it is infact the Mullahs who deny the Finality of Prophethood by believing that Jesus (AS) is still alive and will come back to the earth again. According to their own beliefs Jesus (AS) is still to come. Ahmadis on the other hand believe that Jesus according to Quran was a prophet for the people of Israel (Rasoolan Ila Bani Israel) only and is dead like all other prophets. Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on the other hand was a prophet for the whole humanity (Rahmatullil Alameen) so why would a universal ummah need a prophet who was only for the Israelites?
So according to Ahmadi Muslims the coming of Jesus is actually the coming of an ummati of Holy Prophet whose purpose is to revive the true spirit of Islam same like the purpose of Jesus as the reformer for the ummat of Moosa (AS) (Judaism).
My post has already taken a lot of space, so I would like to close here now by saying that if anyone wants to know the truth, they should do it with unprejudiced and unbiased heart and with righteousness.
Wassalam,
Bilal
tsrana Asslaomoalaikum
It is really very disappointed that terrorism is been openly tought by the GEO,and more saemable is, they are doing on the name of the peaceful man of the HISTORY our beloved Prohpet Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH).And these Jahil Ulama convinced the European to make the HUZUR pic like that(Astagfirrullah).The Ahmadies will fight till their deaths with these Extremists, christians, jewish , hindus and with everybody who tried to present the wrong face of Our PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) and we will protect him on every stage INSHALLAH.
Do what u wana do but none can stop us to spread the real picture of Islam , The Real Sunna of Hazrat MUHAMMAD(PBUH).
Allah Hafiz
Asim No doubt why Pakistan is doing progress in this current world. It is just because of some radical nerds like Dr. Aamir ( i feel shame to call him doctor ). People are dying because of hunger life is tough but still people like him use controversial issues to misguide innocent people. Our government isn’t good at all to handle anything that is why people like him are at loose.
I don’t know what else to say I am just very sorry for our country and also for some people who don’t use their brain and follow radicals in the name of Islam.
abdul mutaal i think that being a normal and people of this nation , we should atleast give ahmedis the right to live ( whatever they believe), although they are pakistani. i believe that Islam never give a right to anybody to kill anyone, This is so shamefull for every pakistani.
aOne Ahmedis have right to live, they do live and prosper in Pakistan just like any one else.
They can call themselves any thing they want but if they like to call themselves Muslims they would have to follow the teachings of Muhammad (S.A.W.W). One of his teachings was that Muhammad(S.A.W.W) was the last of the prophets and any one after that who claims to be prophet is an IMPOSTER.
AbuBakar and the Sahaba, fought two liars like Ghulam Kafir Qadiani, namely Muselma Kazzab and Aswas al Unsi. Infact Muhammad (S.A.W.W) had predicted that before the real Dajjal appears there would be many IMPOSTERS who would claim to be Messiah.
Ahmed Chowdhry This is pathtic. Does he or any of you even know about the Ahmadis?…I am an Ahmadi and i believe in the holy Quran and Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)..I don’t need to prove the validity of my faith to ANYONE especially to people who are morally bankrupt…Nobody has the right to declare anyone a non-muslim.. This is one more reason that we as a nation are so looked down up on by the whole civilized world…We are so stuck in the medieval times..I bet Pakistani nation even back than would have been the butt of all jokes..
This so called aalim idiot should be sent packing to Afghanistan where the so called great ISLAMIC emirate was established by the Taliban…
Bhutto the so called ISLAMIC leader branded Ahmadis non-muslim to satisfy the Mullahs who ended up the hanging the sorry bastard..Zia did no better..
Its this hatred infested mindset which is responsible for the collapse of our society..
May God help us all!!
Hassan Abbas karachikhatmal,
Before I deal with The Ahmedi issue,let me deal with the far more graver American issue.
You say:”its like four score and twenty years ago our forefathers decided to create a country and wait for 150 years for another one to emerge so we could mess with it”.
Obviously you need to read to re-read your history of the American people.By the time Abe said these words your innocent Americans had already carried out the genocide of the Red Indians along with the enslavement of the negroes -bringing untold misery and death to two entire continents and millions of deaths ,not to mention the deaths in the civil war itself.
Soon after they attacked Canada ,but were taught a good lesson when the British burnt Washington and the White house.Expansion to the North froze.
But in the South they launched an Imperial war with Mexico,adding 55% of that nation to itself and extending to the Pacific coast.Here they added Texas, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Wyoming, and the whole of California, Nevada and Utah.
Next they annexed Hawai and Palmyra Atoll after American businessmen had overthrown the Kingdom of Hawaii.
Next they instigated a war with Spain to establish their Pacific Empire stretching all the way to the Philippines and including Cuba,Gaum,Puerto Rico,the Philippines,Wake Island,and American Samoa.In Philippines alone they killed over 500,000 people.
The process continued in the early part of the 20th century with their aquisitions through force or pressure of Tutuila Island, Aunuu Island ,Manua, Swains Island,United States Virgin Islands, Jarvis Island, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Northern Mariana Islands and Palau.By this time they were within reach of Europe and joined late in WW1 to establish a US presence.
From 1917 to 1947 was spent in establishment of their domination over Europe.Only the presence of a strong European power Russia prevented an annexation of Europe;as they were forced to rely on The Munroe doctrine and Marshal plan to buy European loyalty in facing Russian socialist/communist ideology which was gaining popularity amongst European intellectual circles as well as labour classes.
Uptill the late 90’s they were busy with the cold war,fooling the world to fight Russian threat -so that they could emerge as the sole Super power.
It was only after this had been done that they could face what in their perception is the remaining major threat i.e. Islam .The biggest thorns here were Iraq(the strongest Arab state) and Pakistan(the sole Muslim nuclear power,and the strongest non-Arab Muslim state).
They have wasted no time in tackling these-and the next after Pakistan will be Iran…and we will by then have a super strong China allied to Iran as well as possibly a renewed Russia to deal with them.That might be the begining of the end for USA.If we wake up in time,we may also be part of the begining of the American end-they are already over streatched both economically and miltarily.
All this I wrote just to make you realize how wrong you were when you wrote “its like four score and twenty years ago our forefathers decided to create a country and wait for 150 years…”. When have they ever waited to aquire another country or massacre it’s people.I have not even mentioned here their crimes in China,against Japan and in Indo-China(vietnam etc).
If we include all major aggressive operations against foreign nations by USA since it’s creation it would possibly average to one per year with over a 1 billion people killed in the period by them.
It’s just that we were so far away from their area of intrest they only started noticing us after 1950’s.Since then we have increasingly become a center of their interest.Seeing their record….GOD HELP US!
aOne Ahmed Chowdhry,
Please refrain from saying ‘US’, we Muslims have different belief from you. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN GHULAM KAFIR QADIANI.
WE BELIEVE THAT MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST PROPHET[PERIOD].
Why should we send Amir Liaqat, why not we send you to fight along your MASTERS??
Asim Omg aOne well what can one say when ordinary people like you are so blind that they can’t even use their brain. If you think that someone can declare people with just a piece of paper then you are mistaken my friend, and God shall decide who is right and who is wrong. NO religion teach to murder other people and if someone do what would you call him ???? A muslim? the true one? that is how majority of world know muslims today just because of bunch of radicals and fundamentalist who are misleading nations for their own sake.
Before pointing finger to someone we should notice that their are three pointing towards us. So why not leave the judgment on God and try to practice your believes instead of correcting others.
Hassan Abbas Hi All,
Now let me state my position clearly on the Ahmedi and Rushdi issue.FirstI am encouraged to see the heathy and reasoned debates on the issue on this blog.At most other places it soon degenerates into a foul cursing match!
On the Ahmedi issue I agree 100% with SH.
First ;The Ahmedis are not a Muslim sect,and have no right to call them selves Muslims.This is because even though they generally pass it on to others that they believe in M.G.Ahmed as a messiah;they know it and I know it that their belief in him is more than this.Indeed they believe in him as a prophet.Since Islam has always been clear on the issue of Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH)being the last prophet of ‘The God of Ibraheem’,this clearly puts them outside the pale of Islam.Their continuing to insist in calling themselves Muslims and then asking us to accept this would be the same as my saying I do not believe in any idols or my saying that Jesus is not the son of God and he was never crucified for our sins;and then expect the Hindus or Christians to accept me as Hindu or Christian.
Second: Yes indeed Ahmedis are them selves a part of the problem when they continue to so insist.It is well known when in Rome do as the Romans do.If Islamic and Pakistani laws have declared them as non-Muslims if they wish to live in peace here they have to learn to accept this.
Third:The very fact that we our selves have declared them as non-muslims prevents us from killing them on the grounds that they do not hold Muslim beliefs.Both the laws of Islam as well as the constitution of Pakistan gives full protection of life and property to all non-Muslims,even kafirs.If it was other wise our beloved Holy prophet Muhammad(PBUH) would never have forgiven the Kufar of Mecca when he conqured the city.
Fourth:The rage which the Ahmedis incite in us when they call them selves Muslims though appropriate can never be a justification for killing.In fact any anger is haram in Islam;at most we could initiate legal action against them - but best would be to convince them of their error through well reasoned and civilized discussion.
Fifth: Unfortunately I can not agree with those who claim that the document which binds us togather is our constitution.This is for the simple reason that if we wish to call our selves Muslims we have to belive in Allahs law rather then the man made constitution as supreme.The only problem is that our raving,lunatic and ignorant mullahs/alims of each sect - can’t pull their acts togather to allow use of Islam as the religion of peaceful submission to the will of Allah as a means of achieving bliss ,harmony and contentment for all- including Muslim sects as well as non-muslims.
Sixth:The matter of Rushdie should not be confused with the issue of Ahmedis.All sects of Muslims all over the world believe Rushdie is wajib-ul-qatl.I must confess I have not read his book,in which case I am bound to follow the alims consensus.Yet having accepted or given this ruling,our alims should also make it clear that this verdict is only to be enforced if he makes himself available in Muslim countries where this law is applicable.If he is in any country whose laws are different,his killing would be the act of a jhanami,as we would be violating the laws of that land.This would be a civilised -and more sellable- form of the verdict.
Seventh: I agree with SH and must wonder why of all times this issue has to resurface now ,when we face the most pressing problems -and are most in need of unity amongst all Pakistanis -muslims or otherwise?
Asif Tahir What a shameful attitude from so called “aalim”. If ahmadis are on fault, how they can survive for more than 100 years. Because a liar does not live long. If ahmadiyya jama’at is wrong then where is promised masiah (mahdi mauood) because his arrival time has gone.
Meer GEO is getting the videos deleted of 7 Sep Aalim Online from Youtube. The message says “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Geo TV Networks”.
Meer “Since Islam has always been clear on the issue of Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH)being the last prophet of ‘The God of Ibraheem’,this clearly puts them outside the pale of Islam.”
@Hassan Abbas: Here is a video in which Maulana Qasim Nanutwi founder of Deoband denies Khatm-e-Nabuwat. Now let’s see you cal him non-Muslim.
Meer @Hassan Abbas: Apart from Maulana Qasim Nanutwi a couple of more people who denie Khatm-e-Nabuwa include Imam Raghib and Maulana Rumi. Some claim even Ibn Arabi as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_Prophets
I am hoping you will declare these people non-Muslim forthwith.
a muslim Mr amir liaquat if the jews or christians claim that muslims do not believe to prophet musa or isa as last prophet so kill the muslims then according to you it wout a great and noble job, some times i have seen you shouting in your aalim off line programm on some forces that they are killng muslims,think perhaps they are doing their eligious duty.
a muslim it should be an obligation on Geo tv like laskar-e-tayyeba, jesh-e-muhammad, taliban, and other banned orgnisaions, because they are preching openly to kill the people.
Ahmed Chowdhry aONE- You are no one to tell me whom i should call US. This is a free forum not your local majlis where you can impose your ideas no matter how invalid and corrupt they are. Its diversity of views that give rise and power to societies and civilizations. But i guess you are too ignorant and rigid minded to appreciate that.
I am sure the 72 other sects of Islam would differ from your views. Its narrow minded people just like you who have given this great religion such a bad name. My advise to you: You are welcome to express your views in a civilized manner but don’t try imposing them on others.
Keep you
Regular Muslim There is a difference between disagreeing with the ideas of Ahmedis and calling for their murder.
The Ahmedis should be free to do as they please.
But Muslims should not have to accept their beliefs as that of Islam. They do not accept the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as the last prophet.
They hide behind verbal gymnastics and the hatred of extremist Muslims.
But they themselves are very biased toward non-Ahmedis. In fact they believe we Muslims, i.e. non-Ahmedis, are not real Muslims.
Nonetheless, they should be given full rights in Pakistan. I think it is technically incorrect to label them as Muslims, especially since they do not see us as Muslims.
Bilal Tahir Dear Friends,
I want to narrate an example from the Holy life of our Holy Prophet. Musailma Kazab came to him and requested His Highness to grant him half of his kngdom. Aswad Ansi Also declared himself a prophet in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet(S. A. W)BUT HE NEVER SENT ANYONE TO KILL THEM. Now why Hadhrat Abubakr did so? It was not because they declared themselves Prophets. But it was because of the fact that they created a state of their own in the Islamic state with their own laws and it was a clear MUTINY. if it was not so. It Is a chellenge that kindly remove the cotrovarsy between the actions of the Holy Prophet (S.A.w) and Hadrat Abubakr. Dear Friends in the worldly matters we want to do the research ourselves but in the spiritual matters we want to depend on these undermatric clarics and these culpits of them with fake degrees. kindly ponder on the Holy Quran and Uswa e Rasul yourself and make use of the wise that God has given you. In The Holy Quran it is clearly mentioned that the punishment of a wrong prophet is in the hands of Allah. So dont try to be Him.
Joker Mashallah! Ahmadi’s are imposters and blasphemers. They are a curse of humanity and are an invention of England to weaken muslim india before partition. The people on this blog are acting ridiculous, either they are ahmadi or slaves of the west. Look how the American treat Mormons. They treat Mormon’s like second class citizens, they have to live in Utah, because thats the only place they feel safe. And USA is a secular state!!! Pakistan was founded on Islamic principles, and those people who contr
What a shame.but as i have already posted in a comment else where on this blog ,GEO is funded by the Americans;this is another proof of its activities in support of the US agenda to sow discord in Pakistan.