Economic Terrorism – by Zaid Hamid

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Zaid Sir I love you. You look very handsome and dynamic. You look like a Hollywood hero, you look marvellous in your blue suite and red cap, the way you dress up is so attractive. Tom cruze is nothing infornt of you. We girls of our college, fantasize about you, I bought all of your posters and pasted in my bed room. I don’t know how to contact you.
Hey friends, does anyone got Zaid Sir’s number. “ Sir, I want to marry you”.

Please check this out:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24857701/Zaid-Hamid-s-Pl...

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http://www.rebelnews.org

and there are lots of other sites just google zionism,rotschilds, jp morgan,austrian economics, federal reserve etc and you will find lots of information.

i dont ve problem in taking things as reference obviously history cannot be created but what i dont like is to present it as if its something they have discovered.

the work in the video is not based on genuine analysis, its a copy of various researchers and the way he is showing that its like something new he is telling is actually a way to hijack genuine issues.
if u really want to know about these issues read Austrian economics, Islamic Economics and read david ikes, haroon yahya and other genuine experts of the subject not those who just use their work to attract youth and then guide them to the path of their clients.

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Dear All,

Please look into this website before comming in the trap of this talktive expert person.

BR,
MAZ

salaam to all people
i have seen mr.zeid hamid programe in last romzan sharif
not completely but some parts of them.i will give about this cd ''economic terrorism''

ALL PROGRAM IS VERY GOOD PLEASS
I REQUARD PERSONAL PH NOMBER
MR ZAID HAMID HAMID
IFTIKHAR FROM KUWAIT

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TW0ZpMY-YQ&fea...

ali ,
as far as I understand that all that India is busy is, in doing development work for helping the war torn folks of afganistan which is offcourse not digestible to Pakistan/(ISI). ISI wants a weak and poor afganistan. No one has blown embassy of Pakistan in afganistan or in India.

No u should not see muslim brother being killed silently.
Then why are u allowing USA to do all that they are doing?
Fact of the matter is that people of Punjab are at war with pakhtoons and baluchs to whom fruits of freedom haven't reached. And we India is no party to it.
It was Pakistan who supported Al Qaeda and the burnt of it has been faced by Pakhtoons. It is Army of Pakistan that is killing innocent and offtrack Pakhtoons and rest of the nonsense is done by NATO. It is Pakistan policy to bleed India by thousand cuts(Proxy war). This monster of terrorism was created by Pakistan in name of Kashmir and has gone out of control. On the control Kashmir is far more peacefull today as compared to Baluchistan and waziristan.
Kashmir has state assembly where as your western provinces are run by agents and sardars...who are systemetically killed by missiles of Paki Army. And what has happened in SWAT is known to u me and everyone. What can RAW do ? If only it could save arses of Indian I would be thankfull to them.
And rahee baat dividing Pakistan koe break karnae kee conspiracy kee then u better put a microscope on US Pak relations. They show u carrot by one hand and whip u violently by other and masses of Pakistan are fed on opium of religion and denial. Hope u understand what I am trying to convey earnestly. India can only attack Pakistan due to misdeeds of ISI which is a secret country within a country.
ISI/CIA controls the puppets(Govt) if u guys have it other way India by no way would go for a war. We badly need peace.
It is ISI and America that needs war.

@ Mr Alok

Apparently it seems Mr. Zaid Speaks of hatred and he is a war monger. But it is not like that, Pakistan will never initiate in war but India. As it has been proved from the past. India always initiated.

See Islam is a complete way of life, A person who follows Islam is supposed to follow Islam with its complete theme.

Mr. Alok, The peoples like Zaid Hamid and Azhar Masood (I never heard of him). They are exploiting the emotions of muslims and apparently Speaking of hatred because we can all observe the conspiracy specially against muslims and islamic values. If you can't observe so I feel sorry for you because you are blind.

American Conspiracy, Jewish Conspiracy, India is also playing a vital conspiracy against Pakistan under the support of Jews.

Now you speak of love, the message of Love from Bullah Shah. But for your Love we can't sacrifice our country and break it into small pieces. If Bullah SHah were here he by himself would have been struggling to waken up the sleeping nation and pointing out the conspiracies.

What do u want? shall we sit quiet and keep watching the conspiracies against us. shall we?

If you are being entrapped will you sit quiet?

The northern side, Separatist movements in balochistan and NWFP. Are we supposed to sit quiet? Shall we let our country break? and say we are in love with the people who conspire against us.

I don't know where your senses are. We found clear proofs of Indian infiltration in NWFP and balochistan.

What should we do sit quiet?

We have to work for betterment of our nation and country. We have to sort out the problems and that's what we are doing.

1)
Abida Parveen - BullaeShah & Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8BgubvXWM&fea...

2)
Azhar Masood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTI086Vj75E

(Doubles Final)
I recommend Noble Peace Prize for Abida Parveen & Bullae Shah and Gold medal in Hatred to Azhar Masood & Zaid Hamid

Now you decide whom almighty likes.

btw : all four are most wanted in India for different reason ofcourse :-).

Who were happy by killing of Bugti ?

1) Parvez Mushraf
2) Altaf Hussain
3) Zaid Hamid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NawuMV4JdQ&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djs8DAMsyO8&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Cac7YQ5gc&fea...

Ozyy( or anyone ) can you tell me about the leader who is speaking ?
He is so genuine and I wonder why such angels are not prominent leaders ? Or is he already killed ? ( Which is Tradition in Pakistan it looks to me )
regards
alok

thanks and smoke rings...

mmmm...Ozzy that is good that you know quite a bit about Karma theory. It is a significant abstract. And I can see that you have already scratched the surface which is nice.
Thanks for the urls . I find them quite fascinating.

See you haven't dictated , u have persuaded me to learn about Islam. And I am sure that a fellow like you would never take things on face value too. The world belongs to skeptics. A skeptic can never turn to beliefs blindly.
He can only confirm. Only understand. Here is something fascinating that I would like to share with you and of course with every one .

a)In his / her life everyone may come to understand and Know God.
b)To know God(i.e. Ultimate Truth) is to be God.

I will sight you one example. I am told that Pakistan have 150 Muslims. And India has 130 million muslims some say ,
my approximation is 180 million. And the aspirations of these 180 million muslim people are possible because of a single soul. His name Mahatma Gandhi. We had/have sufficient fools to do ethnic cleansing of ,muslims in 1947 and even later, like has happened in land of pures . And the sheet solo Anchor was M K Gandhi.
Gandhi had to pay by his life , a case of crucifixation. Now for 1 minute get into shoes of Gandhi.
And learn Humanity. When refugees would come to New Delhi from Pakistan , it was common incident someone venting their
frustrations on Gandhi. It was Jinaha and Muslim league and many more who wanted Pakistan and wrath of it was faced by Gandhi.
And when this Great Strategist Shri Shri Zaid Zaman Hamid shab were apparently doing the analysis of our symbols/currency did he ever pause , for 5 seconds to say that with three lions on currency of India , we also have photograph of a fakir called Mohandas(means slave of Krishna). That India has always taught Peace to Humanity this endless - timeless river in comparison to whom Islam , Christanity and Judaism are almost in a cradle, infancy. So who are muslims to to teach us tahzeeb when it is most wanting in themselves. He missed the point that Ashok and Gandhi stood for peace. Ashok learned by his
follies and Gandhi learned by others follies(which is natural as Gandhi was a sage and Ashok a ruler).
And isn't it Ironic that a country/culture which according to him is only bothered about money , has on its currency photograph of a fakir. That is the show-off part of Hindu Zionist. A facade, right? When you speak of history , history is replete( and specially Islamic History ) of sons killing/jailing fathers and brothers.This has carried till date. So Mr Zaid don't look for answers in Mosad/cia for killers of Zia , look in the labyrinths if ISI , whom you worship. And you can only worship power which is quite apparent. It is only in the Indus Civilization that learning is esteemed higher than power/money. Here you see the kings and princess leaving the material and pleasures for meditation and truth. You call them magicians? And we know here ,who is a trickster, no Mr Zaid Zaman?.

Zaid , Look at your face in mirror and ask can you meet your own eyes beofre you meet the eyes of a seer? One
who can see through you.

Every one is wrong except Mr Zaid Zaman. Hamid Mir is a CIA Agent, Akbar Bugti was a Traitor / Fascicst and weak so weak that he committed suicide ( The World knows his cave was hit by missiles, and Kaedae Azam was western , only angels left : Parvez Mushraf , Alama Iqbal and some mythological characters and of course Zaid himself. It looks to me that Zaid has all the answers ,he is omnipotent , omnipresent. Why does
Pakistan need a Judiciary , Mr Zaid Zaman can pass judgement on any issue under blue sky before one can cook
two minute noodles. Even Sharia Law would be a bullock cart as compared to the super jet processors which allaha talla has granted him. Beleive me his super natural talents shouldn't go waste.
phew...

Jumla Ghalib kaa hae and context mera apna banaya hua.

Aah koe chahiyae , ek umra asar honae tak ,
Koan jeeta hae teree zulf kae zar honae tak.

It would take a life time before my feelings make effect ,
who would be alive , till your locks become silver .

Zulf zar ho rahee haen ...but wisdom is wanting..something very personal is itching? yeah....

I have seen wisdom coming to street dogs , chimpanzees , donkeys rather easily but for
Man it is rather tricky , especially when man is ambitious, thirsty of desires.
My Grandma would tell "Alok beta the old Man of Muslims are much wiser than Hindus "
"Why dadee ? Why so ? " .
"Because they live their life thoroughly , and we hindus live in denial(Hypocrisy).
So when hindus turn old they have regrets, but muslims dont have that 'missed the train feelings' ", she would
suggest. Ohh I see I would say ...pretending I absorbed all mysteries that confronted me.

take another one :

GHalib chutee sharaab, par ab bhee kabhee-kabhee
peeta hooN roz-e-abr -o- shab-e-maahtaab meiN

Ghalib has left drinking but for once in a while,
on a cloudy day ..... a full moon light.

In the Monarchies the Clergy / mullas were more often than not, not able to dictate moral conducts ,
but azadee kae baad the kings are gone and clerics are running wild. And these preachers come in all size
shapes , shades and garbs. I pity Mulla Radio , he is obviously identified and would die like that Ghazi of Lal Masjid.
But difficult to nail would be the many cunning foxes.

In his analysis Mr Zaid cites a case that Muslims are
very straight forward simple people and Hidus have two faces. Isn't it a generalization. People are good or bad by themselves. Not because they are turks , serbs , uzbeks ,
greeks , Indos , Delhee walae and jee Karancheewalae.

Atleast exceptions would be there. All 160 million can not be simple straightforward type. The foxes in pakistan would be very deadly/dangerous , as masses are simple. And that explains a great deal why situations are , the way they are.

Hum Kyaa thae ,Kya how gayae aur kyaa hongae abhee ,
Aao is par tawajjoe daen milkar sabhee.

regards
alok

http://www.slideshare.net/moh12/harun-yahya-the-qu...

http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_01...

1 more thing Alok

Suppose u have to appear in an examination of the following subjects:

Mathematics
Additional Mathematics
English
Science
Computers

And if u work extremely hard on a couple of subjects like:
Mathematics
Additional Mathematics
& English

and u dont prepare for
Science
Computers

There is a high probability that u might ace ur Mathematics,
Additional Mathematics & English examination not to overlook the high possibility that u might also fail in the subjects of Science and Computers for which u didnt prepare at all. A moderate approach would be 2 prepare for all subjects likewise so that the probability of failing in any 1 is reduced 2 zero. Same is the case with the worldly affairs and the divine affairs. U may prepare for the world with gr8 enthusiasm however in doing so u shld never forget the Divine. Otherwise there is a high probability that u might fail in front of him. This world is a temporary place and we shld prepare for it likewise. Hazrat Ali (RA) once said. " Yeh duniya main is tarhan raho jis tarhan kashti paani main rehti hai. Kyunkay jab tak kashti paani main rehti hai khoob tairti hai. Lekin jab paani kashti main aajata hai tou kashti doob jaati hai". This is exactly wat has happened 2 gr8 nations before us. And this is exactly wat is gonna happen 2 the jews as well.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/

http://www.quranmiracles.com/?gclid=CJi3qeX_sJkCFR...

My dear friend Alok

Let me 1nce again remind u dat wateva guidance I am able 2 provide u regarding religion. I will definately provide u but it is certainly not within my capability to convince u or anybody else rather it is the will of Allah that makes things happen. U may say that maybe ur connecting to the universe using karma. Or maybe the universe connects to u. Nonetheless i dont disagree to that fact. Wateva good u send out inevitably comes baq 2 u and wateva bad u send out will certainly return baq 2 u. That is the basic essence of karma. Rite?
Ur rite when u say that jews being a minority have accomplished so much as a nation rather than us muslims or any other religion. Thats a fact. As a matter of fact it was pre written in Islam that this would happen sumday when muslims will fall as a nation and den they will rise again when constantinople will be conquered. Nonetheless my friend it would certainly be a dilemna if I point out the fact that muslims have fallen as a nation since they have forgotton their core roots that is the Holy Book. It would certainly appease u 2 hear a muslim taking up the blame on behalf of his entire nation which has dispersed as sheep or rather as the foam on the sea. By not heeding 2 wat they were foretold.
The quandary of the situation is such that i cannot give u an example of 1 good muslim leader currently rather i have 2 quote examples of gr8 leaders from the past, however things can certainly change with a little bit of introspection within us muslims.
The point I am trying 2 make here is dat ppl (muslims) have changed. Religion (Islam) hasnt. Muslims the world over have started cherry picking things out of Islam which may benefit their own personal standards, and have started discarding things which are not suited for their personal needs. In doing so we have sent out negative imbalances in our society, which has created negative externality all around us. For 1 man's meat is another mans poison. This u can very well understand my friend since wateva action we take in this life has consequences or repurcursions. That is the basic rule of karma.
If ur a student of science i would explain karma according 2 our religion. All that exists in this universe is mass and energy. Mass can be converted to energy as depicted by the equation e=mc2. In the start the universe was evolved out of a large combustion of radiation / energy (Big Bang). That means all that exists is this unverse is basically energy since mass can be converted to energy. That also means that energy was something there from the start and it will remain there till the end and it is something that can never be destroyed. Wat is the defination of God? Please refer to the above statement. "God is something which is there from the start and it will remain there till the end and it is something that can never be destroyed". As per our religion God is " Pure Noor" (Or Spiritual Light). What is light? Light is energy. That means that it is rite to say Gods Noor created everything in this universe. He is certainly our Benefactor our Creator our Khaliq our Malik. And he has power over evrything (Subhan Allah).
Now there are two forms of Light / Energy (the divine and and the unclean one). When u connect to the source of the unclean light sure u may achive ur short term goals very effectively. However in doing so u create negative repurcursions around u and in the long run u end up hurting urself (not 2 mention u r also judged according to ur wrong deeds in the afterlife). A person who however lives according to the commandmants of Allah (SWT) is sure to achieve his long term goals and also reaps the rewards of the hereafter.
Muslims will definately find the source of this pure light by referring back to our Holy Book. At the moment it would be only wise 2 admit that muslims are a lost nation, since we have forsaken our religion.

thanks ozzy and 666 ..

By the way I have noted people sighting Prophet(saw) and Prophet(PBUH). So I am a bit confused. Do you know a website where a authentic translation of Kuranae-Pak is available in English. I don't know either Arabic or Farsee nor Urdu(script...I can speak reasonable Urdu though and I write poetry in urdu myself).
What I wonder is that if such a wonderfull scripture is available to Muslims(specifically) and Humanity(in general)than why haven't folks benefitted from it. But all this discussion has raised my esteem for zionist in my opinion because if such a small number of jews have outsmarted so many muslims , americans , europeans ,
Indians and whom not then who knows they understand the reality better than all of the us.
But nevertheless help me in locating a website that provides a authentic understanding of Kuran.
We are encouraged to learn from various religions so ozzy u can be of a great help ,it looks to me .

regards
alok

666

Whatever is being uttered by peoples mouths worldwide will surely come to pass with the inevitable truth, to create strife and discord amongst the brotherhood of man will only lead to a world war, which as we are all witnessing is taking shape in a very perfect manner, it is us the people of the world who have brought upon this wrath upon ourselves, for there exists none who truly upholds to the law of the the divine instructions which were handed down unto mankind as a guidance, noone has taken heed and thus tryants and despots have been allowed to herd the sheep in any manner that they desire. You will never find any changes in the way of the divine law, and we as nations aforetime have failed and the price for that failure is complete wrath and mayhem for all religions in the world.

My dear friend Alok

Ill go point by point

Caste sytem: True nobody has a problem when ppl live wid dignity. But the problem arises when ppl are stripped of their dignity and all moralities are compromised for the powerfull whereas the weak are subjected to the strictest condition. True maybe religion is just an obsolete/outdated concept for u and maybe a lot of others, but can sum1 explain the creation of this universe and its minutest details which continue to function in absolute perfection. Free masons tried to xplain it using the theory of chaos and randomness saying that the universe evolved out of a state of chaos and that every atom by itself in this universe carries absolute intelligence. My friend all of these darwinist theories have long been prooven false since all animals have been created with a non identical anatomy. Not even a sigle fossil of a particular animal resembles or has features close enough to that of another animal. The creator knows best abt its creation and dats y the Holy Book was revealed upon the prophet. Did u know eating the flesh of swine is prohibited according to Quran. Modern science has it that the flesh of swine carries cancerios elements which are harmfull for the human body. Moreover there are numerous such examples. Y do u rely on modernization of science and technology? So that u can progress as modern individuals and as a society. Wat has religion got 2 do with it? Well if u read up the Holy book all scientific facts were explained in our scripture a long time back before they were actually discovered.
1 more thing ill give u a very good example. wat if there is a person who gives all his charities and does a lot of work for the betterment of the ppl. Nonetheless he does not follow the ruler of the land. Do u think the ruler will forgive him?
Hazrat Ali (RA) was 1nce questioned by some1 who asked him y shld he follow God if there was a possibility that he didnt exist. Hazrat Ali (RA) replied maybe he did? maybe he didnt? But then he also went ahead to identify two possibilities that is if he did worship God and if God didnt exist he wouldnt have 2 fear his wrath in an afterlife. But if that man didnt worship God and in the afterlive he discovers that He exists. Then he would be subject 2 all his wrong doings and would have to face his wrath at all costs. My friend u may do a lot of good for the betterment of mankind (by the way even Islam teaches u dat). But are u really fullfiling ur obligations towards God. Iam not trying 2 be the person who says Iam holier than thou (for I certainly am not). But do u recognize the fact that u, me including all ppl are subject to his judgement. Iam ceratinly nobody 2 judge u or anybody and I do not by any mean say that "Iam Holier than Thou". Nonetheless I am just fullfiling my duty as Gods subject to deliver his msg to u. Maybe u can learn sumthin frm me maybe not. Nonetheless wateva u learn and take away from me is not my capability or intelligence. It is the power of his wil that may change ur viewpoint abt his religion and abt this life. We as muslims just function as his khalifas trying our level best 2 deliver his msg. Certainly u r rite ven u say that u shldnt use an iron fist in dealing with ppl. Islam agrees to that spirit. But at the same time it teaches u the fundamentals of how to live ur live with morality and decency linking it to the spiritual aspect of an afterlife.
Vulgarity: There are many phases of zinah (adultery). Adultery of sight (being the lowest phase): provokes sexual stimulation in an individual when a member of the opposite sex is dressed in such an out fit such that his / her body parts are exposed. Funny thing is the fact that all the women in burkha are seldom raped whereas all the mod toc girls who we commonly refer 2 as lookin HOT in their tight fitted obscene outfits when raped or molested are the 1's carrying human rights placards. Iam not by any means trying 2 degrade the male couterparts as foxes or hounds but a fact remains a fact and there exists certain elements in our society who continue to hound the females.
Zinah-Adultery (or sexual intercourse with a non mehram): Is the worst form of adultery. In any case the above mentioned adultery of sight may lead to adultery-zinah or fornication with a non mehram (other than ur wife / husband).
Nonetheless I do c a good man in u my friend. Wateva ur quest in this life mayb. May God fullfill ur purpose and ours and show all of us to the rite path.
Amen
Ozzy

Thanks ozzy ,

We struck some chords.... some conversation happened..
rather than using expletives ...u tried to explain and I
put my view point.

Few clarifications :

Caste System : it was/is practised. And is wrong. It is practised and not prescribed. And more and more Indians are breaking it. Sharukh Khan's wife is a Hindu ...no body has a issue...so far u live with dignity what has religion(so forget about a caste) got to do with that. I cited u just one example there are countless instances.

Woman Education : I know Prophet said get education even if u have to go to china. And he didn't mention gender when he said that. But reality is a far from prescriptions.

vulgarity : Beauty lies in the eye of beholder. What would be Pronography by modern standards much bolder stuff is depicted in our ancient temples(Khujraho Temples for example). So we need to think and introspect about our own morals(bura joe dekhan mae chala...). I feel 99.99 % of people have double standards. This is a Human tragedy not a Hindu / Muslim / Zionist issue.
So just define your individual morals and dont expect others to follow them. This me holier than u is root of most of troubles of any society, ancient or contemporary.
This imposing standards on others is culprit. Teach you children values ( softly ...not with an Iron Hand) and leave rest to almighty ( by whatever name you prefer to call almighty ). So the behaviour of my wife and my sister is their own issue and I am sure they do take care of it.
I can not check it and I can not control it , Idont want to control it and I am not worried about it.
Proffession : Coming back to caste. Initially what you do was the classification/caste. So if you were a miller you were tailee , a butcher was a kasai. Chances of children following family proffession were high. Training / skills acquiring were more convenient. Then wicked persons made it a rule. Ideally we should be free to choose our proffession. And all proffessions in my opinion are fine.
I would not be overwhelmed by a scientist or a doctor as if they are role models or what. Nor would I be impressed by how much money one makes. What I am impressed most with is this :
" Are you enjoying what you are doing? ( assuming what you do should not be unconstitutional and illegal ). I can not imagine Shoaib Akhtar being a Military Officer. Well he enjoys throwing ball and that is what he does and that is what matters. I want to ask how many people enjoy what they do? Not more than 5 %. And this is another main issue. We are slaves of expectations. What will abba think , what will ammee think , what will society think. Forget it our own expectations wont let us free. We have been conditioned so badly. So.
So coming back to proffession and freedom. If a woman thinks that her talent is in dancing or in music or in acting ...then who are we to say it is bad? Who are we to kill a woman who teaches music to children? I tell you what
we have been conditioned with so many insecurities. Sometimes I feel that correcting this society is not possible. So I say just correct yourself. Whatever control you have , you have on yourself. I would not shy say to Zaid, that he is doing something what he seems to enjoy.

woman adequately cover up : vrery unfair. I am sure ozzy u can move in a chadee baniyan in any street of a city of pakistan on a hot summer day and have priviledge to piss openly. But when it comes to woman they should be dressed
adequately. And again what is adequate for you might be a cabaret outfit for mullaha Radio. So who are we to preach others how to dress.
a can of milk open in front of a cat :
Just see the comaprison. You are saying that a man in society is a Cat ( or perhaps a wolf I guess , a male fox at the least ) . And the woman a can of milk, a piece of meat. And this is what I think situation is in society.
Hum aur kitna gir sakate haen. It is an endless pit. So again men and women have equal rights and equal freedom and it is their own prerogative to choose their proffession and dresses. Who are we to throw acid bottles on them.

complete code : No one needs a complete code. We typically need a template to fill in the blanks.

betterment of mankind : who is to decide what is good and what is bad for mankind. Noone is license holder of such authority.
1 Living God : Agreed that there is one supreme power in universe. So how does it makes a difference if someone calls it by a different name( I haven't even named mine).
This "I am right and you are wrong" sort of stance is the fundamental sin. I say "how do I know ?". You might be right so may be anyone else.

"As far as walking in some1’s footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries."

Thanks ozzy for you invitation. It shows what big heart you have and I would definitely be more informed about Islam and its teachings and would carry on with my quest of truth and reality.

many many regards
alok etc..

Thanks ozzy ,
We struck some chords.... some conversation happened..
rather than using expletives ...u tried to explain and I
put my view point.

Few clarifications :

Caste System : it was/is practised. And is wrong. It is practised and not prescribed. And more and more Indians are breaking it. Sharukh Khan's wife is a Hindu ...no body has a issue...so far u live with dignity what has religion(so forget about a caste) got to do with that. I cited u just one example there are countless instances.

Woman Education : I know Prophet said get education even if u have to go to china. And he didn't mention gender when he said that.
vulgarity : Beauty lies in the eye of beholder. What would be Pronography by modern standards much bolder stuff is depicted in our ancient temples(Khujraho Temples for example). So we need to think and introspect about our morals. I feel 99.99 % of people have double standards. This is a Human issue not a Hindu / Muslim / Zionist issue.
So just define your individual morals and dont expect others to follow them. This me holier than u is root of most of troubles of any society ancient or contemporary.
This imposing standards on others is a issue. Teach you children values ( softly ...not with an Iron Hand) and leave rest to almighty ( by whatever name you prefer to call almighty ). So the behaviour of my wife and my sister is their own issue and I am sure they do take care of it.
I can not check it and I can not control it and I am not worried about it.
Proffession : Coming back to caste. Initially what you do was the classification. So if you were a miller you were tailee , a butcher was a kasai. Chances of children following family proffession were high. Training / skills acquiring were more convenient. Then wicked persons made it a rule. Ideally we should be free to choose our proffession. And all proffessions in my opinion are fine.
I would not be overwhelmed by a scintist or a doctor as if they are role models or what. Nor would I be impressed by how much money one makes. What I am impressed most is this :
" Are you enjoying what you are doing? ( assuming what you do should not constitutionally and legally affect others adversely). I can not imagine Shoaib Akhtar being a Military Officer. Well he enjoys throwing ball and that is what he does and that is what matters. I want to ask how many people enjoy what they do? Not more than 5 %. And this is another main issue. We are slaves of expectations. What will abba think , what will ammee think , what will society think. Forget it our own expectations wont let us free. We have been conditioned freely. So.
So coming back to proffession and freedom. If a woman thinks that her talent is in dancing or in music or in acting ...then who are we to say it is bad? Who are we to kill a woman who teaches music to children? I tell you what
we have been conditioned with so many insecurities. Sometimes I feel that correcting this society is not possible. So I say just correct yourself. Whatever control you have , you have on yourself. I would not shy in Zaid that he is doing something what he seems to enjoy. So it would be waste for zaid if he is not getting the attention that he seeks.

woman adequately cover up : vrery unfair. I am sure ozzy u can move in a chadee baniyan in any street of a city of pakistan on a hot summer day and have priviledge to piss openly. But when it comes to woman they should be dressed
adequately. And again what is adequate for you might be a cabaret outfit for mullaha Radio. So who are we to preach others how to dress.
a can of milk open in front of a cat :
Just see the comaprison. You are saying that a man in society is a Cat ( ao perhaps a wolf I guess , a male fox at the least ) . And the woman a can of milk, a piece of meat. And this is what I think situation is in society.
Hum aur kitna gir sakate haen. It is an endless pit. So again men and women have equal rights and equal freedom and it is their own prerogative to choose their proffession and dresses. Who are we to throw acid bottles on them.

complete code : No one needs a complete code. We typically need a template to fill in the blanks.

betterment of mankind : who is to decide what is good and what is bad for mankind. Noone is license holder of such authority.
1 Living God : Agreed that there is one supreme power in universe. So how does it makes a difference if someone calls it by a different name( I haven't even named mine).
This "I am right and you are wrong" sort of stance is the fundamental sin. I say "how do I know ?". You might be right so may be anyone else.

"As far as walking in some1’s footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries."

Thanks ozzy for you invitation. It shows what big heart you have and I would definitely be more informed about Islam and its teachings and would carry on with my quest of truth and reality.

many many regards
alok etc..

Alok

My friend as u say hinduism is a way of life. Just 2 be sure y are there casts systems (like brahmanism, kashtrias and sudras) defined in this way of life. I believe that in order 2 say a religion is balanced it shld be based on equalism for all casts / creed. The only way a person is exalted above others is by virtue of his / her deeds. True when u say women are the pivotal point of a society and in order for a family 2 consist of balanced / educated individuals the wife has 2 be a source of knowledge for the family for it is at the hand of a woman that an infant recieves his / her primary education. Islam does not by any means prohibit women from pursuing their education but by any means it also does not allow vulgarity as this leads 2 adultery. As a matter of fact this is a very delicate subject which needs 2 be further elaborated upon. My friend dont take it personally but i dont think u would want ur wife / sister to have a pre / extra marital affair with some1 else. And I dont think any sane / decent individual would want that. Nonetheless women are given equal privelages in our religion such that they are free to pursue their education provided that they adequately cover themselves up. I would ask u but 1 thing if u leave a can of milk open in front of a cat and if the cat drinks it whose fault is it? Is it ur fault dat u left the can lying open or is it the cats fault? .There are certain things in our life which may create negative externality in our society if they are not effectively monitored / controlled and i believe u wuld be better able 2 understand them cuz I c in u an educated individual.
But my friend i would also like 2 mention here is dat Islam unlike hinduism or any other religion is a complete code of life which if followed stricly serves for the betterment of mankind. I would just give u 1 example Iam sure that since u r able to comment on our Holy Prophet (SAW) I believe that u r also aware that he didnt recieve any schooling / education (he didnt know how to read / write) inspite of that the Book that he forwarded to mankind contains modern discoveries that could not be expected by any means 1400 years ago such as the complete foetel / embryonic development and hardcore scientific facts such as the moon did not manufacture its own light rather it reflected the light of the sun. As a matter of fact the Glorious QURAN is full of such miraculaous Surahs which gives so many scientific facts that makes it evident that it could only be the work of 1 living GOD (SubhanAllah). The Glorious Quran is and remains 2 be the only book that has stood the test of times unchanged and contains all the latest scientific discoveries which were discovered later on and which are still underway.
How then can ppl deny it is not truly the work of GOD.
As far as modern day muslims are concerned whome u quote regularly or are refering 2 time and again I beleive u shld be aware of the fact that many ppl around us are working for their own warped / vested agendas. And all such ppl know neither any caste / creed. That includes muslim, hindu, sikhs, christians etc etc.
As far as walking in some1's footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries.

Leader ship of Kashmir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An_xYlakkpA&fea...

Crash course in History.

fyi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3EvmV2Hgk&fea...

fyi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2bfi9Zv66o

ozzy because I understand that Hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. As a matter of fact I observe there is a great confusion regarding what do you mean by Islamic Ideology. That is why everyone has their own interpretation as per their limitations / understanding. What I know is Great Prophets /Pirs /Persons live their life in exemplory manner and stupid folks spend their life in interpreting "what did they mean?". They try to archive what they said etc etc .And this is nothing but mediocrity and herd mentality. And here I agree with folks like Qaedae Azam that religion is something very personal , it is not a display thing. And it is not something that needs some sort of movement(because movements are only political they can never be religious). So I keep away from so called religion and religious places. They mean nothing to me ...just a sort of clubs ....deviced by society...there is nothing personal about them ...nothing first hand...just parroting and arguing...no understanding ...no reflection. So I live a one man religion and I am proud to say that here in India I am absolutely allowed to follow my own religion(without even need to coin the name for it ). We say 'Aham Brahma Asmeee' . That means I have interfaces with universe(direct connections ...no dalals). And that is what Hinduism is all about. A prince born of Sakya Clan went in search of truth and he realized the truth. His followers formed a religion called Budhism.
Remember Budha didnt form a religion it were the followers who formed the religion. Same is case in every religion.
And as you are saying that muslims respects other's religions ...here you are not even Ignorant ...you are innocent in my opinion. The name of Personalities after whom your missiles are named were known for their hatred and ill deeds towards Hindus. But that doesnt mean that you dont respect others beliefs/values. Prima facie you do and that is the only way it should be with anyone 'balanced' .

regards

Alok

My sincere, humble and friendly advice 2 u wuld be to start respecting ur own religion rather than cracking jokes abt it or u culd start studying comparitive religion and determine on ur own which is the best 1 which u can follow and revere for the rest of ur life. For a person who lives for nothing will certainly die for nothing but 1 who lives for sumthing will die for sumthing, for eventually evry1 has 2 die sumday. But in the end wat mattas is wat uve accomplished.

My friend Alok

1st of all i would like 2 address u regarding us making fun of ur Hindu Gods. We'll 2 be honest we muslims are not taught 2 make fun of any religion according to our scripture the Glorious QURAN. As a matter of fact Islam was not spread using the sword rather people were invited to embrace Islam through tableegh. People of all other religion were given equal respect and were allowed to practice their own religion after the famous conquest of Mekkah. No 1 was barred from practicing their own religion. Number 1. Number 2 Omer Shariff is not an Islamic scholar nor is he a voice of the Muslim Ummah. And we muslims totally shun his actions of making fun of ur religion if ever he did something like that, that is. Number 3 According to modern psychology religion is an integral part of a persons ID (according to sigmund frued theory of ego, superego and ID). And we muslims respect that fact that people of all other religions whether it be christians, hindus or any other religion have their own inherited ID's which we totally respect and understand.
However as far as that stupid Danish artist is concerned. He is 1 of those ignorant fools who had no idea of what he was potentially making and this was reflected by his ignorance of the rage that was invoked by his work in the muslim world. If he would have done his homework and would have taken out a little time to go through the muslim ideology plus if a little research was done on his part he would have discovered that our Holy Prophet (SAW) is the most revered human being for the muslims nation. And his actions could have disastrous consequences for his countries economy since out of the total world population every 5th person is a muslim. Dat explains y danish economy has suffered so much, after his outrageous and blasphemous act. Muslims the world over started boycotting the danish products. And 1 more thing a persons purchasing power is directly proportional to his education / litracy. Thus all the educated muslims also shunned his heinous activity. Whereas according to u only young illetrate jobless muslims participate in JIHAD. My friend this meltdown of the danish economy post this stupid artists work is an example of economic jihad. In which both the ruling elite and the opressed muslim factions participated beutifully. (Please do clear ur perception abt JIHAD by researching on it)
So u c my friend as far as principles are concerned there are no compromises, a person who goes against the political system of a country is called an anarchist and deserves state punishment. My question to u is wat do u call a person who goes against his own religion? number 1. And as far as ur posted passage is concerend u blatantly admit that u make fun of ur own hindu Gods. Now my question 2 u is dat if u make fun of them y do u worship dem? And if u make fun of them urself how do u xpect other ppl like omer shariff not to abuse them? So u c ma friend 1st u respect ur own religion den u shld xpct other ppl to give ur religion some respect. True charity starts at home.....

Who is the biggest enemy ?

I dont think Pakistan is the biggest of India. Nor is it America or China or any nation on earth.
Same is true for Pakistan. We apparently talk so eloquently
and enthusiastically about 'Tareekh"(History). But fact of the matter is that we have more often than not used , abused and distorted the history to obtain our so called "Strategic Objectives" ( and Mr Zaid Strategies are made and discussed in Board Rooms not on TV ...so say it we are propaganda machinery ...accept it).

I can give u a very objective analysis of History and lessons that we might have learned ...but I leave it for a future project.

My aim is to analyse
1)who is the biggest enemy ?
1.1 ) Who is biggest enemy of an Individual ?
1.2) Who is biggest enemy of a Society?
1.3) Who is biggest enemy of India , Pakistan , Americal
, Israel , Japan , Hindus , Muslims , Zionists ,
Believers , non believers?

And for that I dont need to begin with History ...5000 BC .

And here is the simple answer.

Ignorance.

Yes Jahalat is the biggest enemy. Jahils can be misled to a war. Jahils are the biggest issues for India , Pakistan ,
Palestine , America. Jahils are a huge burden.
Eradicate jahalat.
Give respect to women , because she is the first teacher of child. She is the corner stone for removing jahalat.

Kabir Saheb ( a Sufi born to a muslim who lived as a Hindu ) says :

Pothee padh padh Jag mua , pandit hua na koyae,
dhai aakhar prem kaa padhae soe pandit hoyae.

( No one in the word has become wise by reading volumes of books, just absorb two and half letters of love(Prem) and you would be wise).

another couplet goes like :
Bura joe dekhan mae chalyaa , bura naa milyaa koyae,
joe man khoja aapna , moe sae bura na koyae.

I was in search of evil and I could find none,
when I introspected , I evilest is in me.

Where is Kabir's pointer to the so called Satan?
It is none but the "Ignorance" of Individuals.

Ignorance of Zaid , Ignorance of Alok , of Desimunda ,
of Amjad , of Ozzy , of AK47:-) , of this , and of that.

And we can imagine ourselves on a pilgrimage let us say Haj Yatra. Zaid is 100mts away , x is 2 kms behind , y is traveling on a donkey , z would be coming by helicopter.
No one could say I am holier than thou. We all are seekers.
We are on a journey . We haven't arrived.
Regards

I thank Teeth Maestro for space he has provided for this
guftagoo. Allaha Hafiz.

Why Omar Sharif is superior to Zaid ?
Simply because he makes folks laugh.
We have so many tensions. Tensions of wife , life , career , childrens , nations , civilizations , leaders , ploitics , office politics , sautans, padosans , past and future(apparently there is no present ...reference to Amir Suhail in his famous commentary last year in India with yashpal sharma). We dont need to be reminded ....for a break we need to forget..we need to laugh... And this is what khushwant singh's view about humour " it is the capacity to laugh at ourselves ...rather than others". So many jokes are cracked on Sardars and they usually dont get offended. We hindus crack ribald jokes about our own gods and so called sacred stuff. I ask why are muslims so sensitive ? Recently there was a fatwa in malaysia that non believers can not even utter word allaha. Why ? Tomarrow they might release a fatwa that remove vowel "a" from lexicon. I have seen omar shariff making fun of our gods and rituals. I have seen videos on utube some converts breaking idols of Hindus (Sri Ganesh ). But we dont create a ruccous about it. And a Danish cartoonist making a wise crack on prophet and see how the very existence of muslims come to danger. There is a saying "do unto others what u expect others to do to you". Another saying says "Charity begins from home".
...
To be continued.

America is attacking the land of pures on weekly basis by drones. And all you guys talk of is a false bravado.
Zaid Hamid is a good presenter better than average human agreed. But there lies the danger with eloquent folks. He is a pied piper.And is leading u kids to caves as in the proverbial story. By the way today 'justice and senses' have prevailed in Pakistan...so as a well wisher I congratulate (tahe dil sae mubark). But this is begining...and the journey is long. Building a society is not a one day match or even a test match or not even a good cricketing season. It needs decades of perseverant collective hardwork. Hitler was apparently good orator ..he moved nation(s) to disaster...on the contrary was Gandhi a good orator? no ..
did he have a great persona ? not in a conventional way.
Zaid has all the traits of a good leader ...but he is so full of hatred. He is a zealot ...a war monger . so beware.
We had and have so many great folks. Mother Teresa , Kalam , Ratan Tata , Manmohan Singh , Sri Ravisankar , Chidambaram etc... list can go endless. I never see them spreading hate. They are silent workers. There action speaks much louder than words. What our neighbours need are more leaders like jinaha , Gaffar(we call him seemant gandhi..i.e. gandhi of other side ). We need messiahs of love and peace. Fine Pak can nuke us and we can nuke them.
Where does it leads...to the road to hell. Remember why youth of pakistan are ready to die in pakistan??? No one wants to die here in India. And I am sure no educated middle class Pakistani who has a decent career and life wants to die there too. Young jihadis are ready to die because they are so frustrated with life and apparently India is the reason of all the miseries(atleast that is what they are being told to like of kasabs in madrsas).
Most of the well to do Pakistani people dont send there wards to madarsas. Just take your cabinet for instance. I am sure 99% of the children of these leaders would be getting education in western places (or west like places).
This is dualism that we have to understand and accept. This is dualism ..not hypocrisy ...mind you.
to be continued ...

Dear Sir,
I am student of gurate class i listen your docomentry and different programs in different setlight channals i verey glad to you

Sadly,

I would have to say this that we pakistanis are sufferring for past 60 years because we cannot stay united due to our foolishness.

Please read Shariah and Islam, you cannot blame anybody without proof, if you are that sincere with Pakistan and Islam, why not you just go to Zaid Hamid and ask for a clarification directly, and why not ask him that why he is not publicly giving clarifications on all of the blames on him.

Also, we Pakistanis, blamed Quied-e-Azam, Allama Iqbal r.a. so what else is left.

Regards

I completely agree Farrukh.

Today, I opened a box of cereal for breakfast, and the packing was faulty. All my corn flakes were stale. These bloody Zionists are trying to affect our minds and want to make us weak by forcing crap breakfast cereals on us. Their conspiracies MUST BE STOPPED!

he is right man, zionists lobby is paving the way for dajjals so called global government.

Regarding your first post - that article does not mention Ram Sene - and more importantly, it is a not by an Indian author either. Qureshi is another one of those deluded people who still believes that Kasab was a hindu Indian because he wore a red thread around his wrist. So... should we trust him?

Either way, neither of what you've posted indicates that the Ram Sene (who are useless m0r0ns) are burning muslims. So, cmon, either admit you were wronf, or post something substantive!!!

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx...

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/latest_col.php?id=77

I wonder what they teach you in history.... you mention the massacres of muslims. Well, what about the massacre of hundreds of thousands of sikhs and hindus.... wait.. they don't teach you that do they?

India has been anti-Pakistan.... what a joke. Look up facts. In 1948 - Pakistani Army dressed up as tribals, invaded Kashmir. In 1965, read up about operation gibraltar. Read up about Kargil. Read up what happened in the aftermath of Mumbai - all those denials.

Let me make this clear. Do you REALLY think India wants to absorb Pakistan? Alright - I'll put it in another way. No one wants to reattach a tumour back into the body !!

And also read up India's compulsions when we signed the Indus Valley Water Sharing Agreement in the 1960s..... (ps.. there were none, we signed it for the greater good)

Now, regarding the "burning of muslim houses by the Ram Sene".... I wonder which "Indian Channel" showed it - but a word of advice - that channel with a PTV written on it, isn't Indian.... so yeah, my challenge to you... find it on the net where it says so and post it here.... and let me guess .... you won't be able to find it.

And the funny part is - you guys are playing the victim here... atrocities by India? Waah... do you really think that Islamic Hardliners like Baitullah Mehsood and TTP and that kind of people would take help from India (it's like saying the RSS or the VHP might take money from the ISI - what a joke)

The sooner you guys wake up to reality and stop blaming the world for problems created by yourselves - the better.

And in the meanwhile - I'm waiting for the news article... waiting for what is obviously more Pakistani propaganda.

(and it's funny... you guys seem to have NO answers for any of the points I've made - just the usual rhetoric that Pakistan is famous for - or should we call it "Sheik Chilli giri"

People like Zaid Hamid only reflect our nation's fetish for conspiracy theories.

And most of the people on here in the comments sections that have asked for "refutations" of Hamid's thesis should remember that the burden of proof is on Hamid and his followers, not on those that poke (a million) holes into his embarrassing "scholarship". So can any of you please give me something other than make-believe facts and dodgy sources to confirm that the Jewish people are indeed hatching a conspiracy to end the world?

Religion is quite a potent drug.

Zaid has understood the ploys of the Jew very well, and explained it in a simple way. If we avoid Usury ....the blood supply of the jews....they will die a natural death.

Ak-47 ur a slick observer i must commend that it would be humble on my part 2 say dat the pakistani nation is fully aware and equipped 2 cater 2 the attrocities commited on it by countries like India and USA.
Not 2 mention dat they blame our highly efficient ISI and then they go as forward 2 say dat our nuclear facilities are not in safe hands just 2 safeguard their own mutual warped reasons / interest. Pakistan is a nation whose very existence was threatened by INDIA since 47 and this was illustrated since its inception as a soveriegn state following the brutal massacre / mutilation and rape of the thousands of migrating muslim families. Later India extended a greater helping hand by not handing over the assets (cash reserve) that were legally entitled to Pakistan. And if it werent for Gandhi (whome i personally consider as a hero) Pakistan wouldnt have gotton nething after partition.
Going forward India was always threatened by Pakistans nuclear facility and its highly qualified Inter Service Intelligence agency, reasons are not 2 mention numerous, but 2 sum it up they themselves are a gutter of a nation where the poverty level is up 2 a miserable level. And they themselves are breeding terrorists who are supported and funded by their govt.
The best way through it all apparently as they see it is 2 start lobbying with zionist countries like Israel and America. With whome they share common interest. To top it all, Y they even share the same gods. If u are aware the jews were a breed of egypt where idol worship was a common practice and 2 date they are creating more idols for themselves and the unaware ignorant masses (american idol being a prime example). Not 2 mention hinduism is primarily based on idolatary. But religion is a subject which i would like to refrain from on this forum, and wateva any1 does is not ma concern cuz every 1 is accountable for their own deeds.
Wat my concern is, is my state where i live and any1 and i mean any1 whose got the nerves to attack Pakistan will have to go through the civilian masses first keeping the forces aside cuz the 1 thing that this nation can give is its very life when the stakes are up whereas these western ppl and indians can only take life. So thats the prime diff between dese ppl and us cuz they dont belive in an afterlive (U only live 1nce and live the american dream, i am still dumbfounded when i hear such slogans & I wonder how much secularism can they still inject in ignorant masses like desimunda who are primarily concerned with celebrating valentines day and when their very own women and sisters are raped they are the 1's dancing with banners of human rights).
Nonetheless desimunda wake up and smell da fresh air there is more to life than valentines day and guys talkin to girls. The worlds got bigger issues like poverty & misery to deal with. And yes as far as Ram Senha burning down muslim houses are concerned well my friend iam quoting this from a broadcast that was televised on ur own local media. And as far as the samjhauta bombings are concerned i belive its ur states responsibilty to deliver an apology to Pakistan via a televised address, where the international community could also hear. Moreover Ajmal Kasabs issue has reached a point where Pakistans efforts are being appreciated world over. Whereas the issue of kashmir is yet 2 be resolved. The bharati forces continue to plague the kashmiri ppl and put them out of their misery, y dunnt u try to focus ur attention over dere instead of focussing so much on valentines days.....